Sarkisian, being Sarkisian at donor event

[captstabbin]

No excuse for what Sark did last night, but I can certainly think of a few things Kelly has done that would refute your claim that he would be "cleaning out his office". Sark got an earful from Haden last night for sure, and Haden put out a statement that said Sark got his message "loud and clear."

We are all just SHOCKED that you just had to run over here to our board and completely waste your time defending your program and even more mind blowing.....to disparage OUR program......I mean do you think you changed any minds about USC.....or ND today?

I know when ND has had their problems....my first thought is to go.to the USC board and spend my time defending ND.....and disparaging USC.......oh.....nope I did not do that....wanna know why......I am not crazy.....dig?

 

[IRISHJD98]

O'Neil actually got into a confrontation with a fan during his drunken incident, I believe it actually got physical. Sark just made an ass out of himself, and the whole incident was rather brief in nature. Not really the same kind of incidents at all. It sounds like Haden really got in his ass and I would think Sark is on a very short leash moving forward with Haden.

That leash might get some slack when he reaches 10 wins, but anything less and he might be in serious trouble.

The obvious difference is that NCAA probation is over, so nobody at USC is on a short leash anymore.

Plus, it wasn't like O'Niell was gonna lead that USC basketball team to a PAC tourney title.

Everyone gets the easy stuff right. Suspending your coach is a tougher call when he's starting the season with a #8 ranking.

 

[Fatty McButterpants]

We are all just SHOCKED that you just had to run over here to our board and completely waste your time defending your program and even more mind blowing.....to disparage OUR program......I mean do you think you changed any minds about USC.....or ND today?

I know when ND has had their problems....my first thought is to go.to the USC board and spend my time defending ND.....and disparaging USC.......oh.....nope I did not do that....wanna know why......I am not crazy.....dig?

I've been on this board for over 10 years talking about USC and Notre Dame on a variety of topics, so to suggest I "ran over here" to defend USC is disingenuous. I neither defended Sark on this matter, nor did I have to run anywhere to get to a webpage I visit almost daily to read topics.

If you don't want to read a discussion about USC or comments from USC posters, then I suggest you not enter threads created about USC, especially negative ones.

 

[Fatty McButterpants]

The obvious difference is that NCAA probation is over, so nobody at USC is on a short leash anymore.

Plus, it wasn't like O'Niell was gonna lead that USC basketball team to a PAC tourney title.

Everyone gets the easy stuff right. Suspending your coach is a tougher call when he's starting the season with a #8 ranking.

What exactly would you suspend him for? He slurred some words in a speech and dropped an F bomb at a Pep Rally. This has nothing to do with NCAA probation, and while an embarrassment to both Sark and USC, hardly something that would warrant suspension.

 

[echowaker]

I heard he was so drunk, he read "Under the Tarnished Dome" cover to cover aloud to the crowd last night...

why wouldn't he ? everybody loves good fiction.

 

[rocketfuel25]

Isnt it cute when Trojan fans run to the ND message board when one of their own screws up in a big way? and then keep posting and posting and posting......he must be related to Sark

 

[Classic Irish]

Watch the video here

LINK

Reminiscent of Gary Moeller, Bob Huggins, and Larry Eustachey.

 

[IRISHJD98]

What exactly would you suspend him for? He slurred some words in a speech and dropped an F bomb at a Pep Rally. This has nothing to do with NCAA probation, and while an embarrassment to both Sark and USC, hardly something that would warrant suspension.

Haden's the guy that set the suspension standard for drunken asinine behavior when he suspended O'Neill, not me.

Unlike O'Niell, Sark was working when engaging in drunken asinine behavior. He was expected to rub elbows with boosters and speak publicly. Drunk or sober, he probably shouldn't have been telling offensive dildo jokes or dropping F-bombs in that particular setting. But the truly troubling behavior isn't that stuff, its just being drunk at work. Period.

If O'Neill's off the clock drunken behavior warranted suspension, then seems to me Sark's on the clock drunken behavior did too. But Haden's giving him a pass. That tells me it was the NCAA probation, not Haden, keeping coaches on a short leash.

I wasn't interested in this thread until you started blowing smoke about how tough 'ol Haden really took Sark to the woodshed and is gonna keep him on a short leash. What a bunch of garbage.

 

[beachcardinal]

Isnt it cute when Trojan fans run to the ND message board when one of their own screws up in a big way? and then keep posting and posting and posting......he must be related to Sark

Busy day. late to the board. FWIW Sark's actions were disgraceful IMO

 

[mokpra37]

Agree with Beach. What a disgrace. I would hope that a coach at ND acting so poorly would get him a lot more than a good talking to by the AD. Thank goodness we don't have to worry about that with BK. He is pretty careful and would never allow himself to be that drunk in public. You may not like his offense, and you may rip your hair out when he doesn't land a certain recruit, but you don't have to worry about him behaving as USC's head coach did the other night.

And Fatty, you can point out drunk players, DUI (by the ways Floyd had one DUI, not several), and minor offenses all you want. All schools deal with those issues. You can point out students being dismissed for academic fraud. That also happens at all schools. The difference is that some schools punish the players (ND is one of those).
USC, on the other hand, has been on probation more years than any other school excluding SMU. That is 16 years total according to the source I looked up. You don't look very bright trying to defend that record.

 

[BigFellaFan]

Just for the record, M. Floyd had ONE DUI, not multiple DUI's. Why lie?

 

[Fatty McButterpants]

Haden's the guy that set the suspension standard for drunken asinine behavior when he suspended O'Neill, not me.

Unlike O'Niell, Sark was working when engaging in drunken asinine behavior. He was expected to rub elbows with boosters and speak publicly. Drunk or sober, he probably shouldn't have been telling offensive dildo jokes or dropping F-bombs in that particular setting. But the truly troubling behavior isn't that stuff, its just being drunk at work. Period.

If O'Neill's off the clock drunken behavior warranted suspension, then seems to me Sark's on the clock drunken behavior did too. But Haden's giving him a pass. That tells me it was the NCAA probation, not Haden, keeping coaches on a short leash.

I wasn't interested in this thread until you started blowing smoke about how tough 'ol Haden really took Sark to the woodshed and is gonna keep him on a short leash. What a bunch of garbage.

For the record, and I wouldn't expect you to know this, but O'neil had multiple alcohol incidents that culminated in him having a physical altercation with a fan. That clearly warranted suspension and is not exactly precedent to Sarks incident. They really aren't even in the same ballpark.

And I wasn't blowing smoke about Haden, he chastised Sark in front of people at tge event and put out a statement about the incident in conjunction with Sarks apology. He took this very seriously, but the fact is, slurring words and dropping an F bomb to a crowd isn't exactly a call to suspend a coach for a game.

 

[Fatty McButterpants]

Just for the record, M. Floyd had ONE DUI, not multiple DUI's. Why lie?

Lie? Floyd had multiple alcohol related incidents, including a DUI. Let's not downplay a pretty serious pattern of behavior.

 

[Fatty McButterpants]

Agree with Beach. What a disgrace. I would hope that a coach at ND acting so poorly would get him a lot more than a good talking to by the AD. Thank goodness we don't have to worry about that with BK. He is pretty careful and would never allow himself to be that drunk in public. You may not like his offense, and you may rip your hair out when he doesn't land a certain recruit, but you don't have to worry about him behaving as USC's head coach did the other night.

And Fatty, you can point out drunk players, DUI (by the ways Floyd had one DUI, not several), and minor offenses all you want. All schools deal with those issues. You can point out students being dismissed for academic fraud. That also happens at all schools. The difference is that some schools punish the players (ND is one of those).
USC, on the other hand, has been on probation more years than any other school excluding SMU. That is 16 years total according to the source I looked up. You don't look very bright trying to defend that record.

First of all, I only pointed out hypocritical posts in this thread trashing USC and ignoring very serious incidents from Notre Dame. I never once condoned Sarks behavior, I only called out those who used the incident to cast stones at USC as a program.

And there is nothing "minor" about DUIs, sexual assault, or academic fraud. Those are very serious incidents that are being minimized completely by posters in this thread. Do you really consider a DUI less of an offense than taking money from an agent few months before going pro? Really?

 

[Classic Irish]

And there is nothing "minor" about DUIs, sexual assault, or academic fraud. Those are very serious incidents that are being minimized completely by posters in this thread.

Minimizing very serious incidents? This coming from the imbecile who not only thinks Carroll did nothing wrong and ran a clean program, but also believes southern cal's sanctions were the result of a conspiracy by the NCAA. Lol!

 

[Classic Irish]

Lie? Floyd had multiple alcohol related incidents, including a DUI. Let's not downplay a pretty serious pattern of behavior.

As a fan of a program that has been historically an ethical cesspool and morally bankrupt, you are hardly in any position to be judging anyone's integrity. Get lost.

 

[Fatty McButterpants]

Minimizing very serious incidents? This coming from the imbecile who not only thinks Carroll did nothing wrong and ran a clean program, but also believes southern cal's sanctions were the result of a conspiracy by the NCAA. Lol!

Please tell me what Pete Carroll did at USC that equates to a DUI, sexual assault, or academic fraud. Pete Carroll also never caused the death of a student with pure carelessness, which is not something Brian Kelly can say.

 

[Fatty McButterpants]

As a fan of a program that has been historically an ethical cesspool and morally bankrupt, you are hardly in any position to be judging anyone's integrity. Get lost.

LOL. You need a day or two away from the message boards...

 

[Classic Irish]

Please tell me what Pete Carroll did at USC that equates to a DUI, sexual assault, or academic fraud. Pete Carroll also never caused the death of a student with pure carelessness, which is not something Brian Kelly can say.

Go slap your mom around or kick someone's dog. You may feel better.

 

[Classic Irish]

LOL. You need a day or two away from the message boards...

Says the imbecile haunting an ND board. Not only do you have no credibility, but you're also really dense.

 

[IRISHJD98]

For the record, and I wouldn't expect you to know this, but O'neil had multiple alcohol incidents that culminated in him having a physical altercation with a fan. That clearly warranted suspension and is not exactly precedent to Sarks incident. They really aren't even in the same ballpark.

And I wasn't blowing smoke about Haden, he chastised Sark in front of people at tge event and put out a statement about the incident in conjunction with Sarks apology. He took this very seriously, but the fact is, slurring words and dropping an F bomb to a crowd isn't exactly a call to suspend a coach for a game.

You say that you're privy to double secret info about O'Neill that further justified Haden's suspension of O'Neill, so it shouldn't serve as a basis of comparison. I'm not convinced:

Contrary to some reports that indicate O'Neill engaged in an altercation with multiple fans, people close to the situation indicate that it was one person, a longtime Arizona booster and close friend of Olson, and that the alternation was never physical. Arizona Athletic Director Greg Byrne just tweeted that the "U of Arizona is aware of the situation from last night and we know that the conference and USC is looking into the incident."


Now that probation's over, USC's back to the Dean Wormer approach to supervising coaches. Tough talk.

 

[Fatty McButterpants]

Says the imbecile haunting an ND board. Not only do you have no credibility, but you're also really dense.

Isn't there a rule about personal insults on this board? Seriously man, take a break from the boards for awhile. You clearly can't separate being a fan of a team from being a human being.

 

[Fatty McButterpants]

You say that you're privy to double secret info about O'Neill that further justified Haden's suspension of O'Neill, so it shouldn't serve as a basis of comparison. I'm not convinced:

Contrary to some reports that indicate O'Neill engaged in an altercation with multiple fans, people close to the situation indicate that it was one person, a longtime Arizona booster and close friend of Olson, and that the alternation was never physical. Arizona Athletic Director Greg Byrne just tweeted that the "U of Arizona is aware of the situation from last night and we know that the conference and USC is looking into the incident."


Now that probation's over, USC's back to the Dean Wormer approach to supervising coaches. Tough talk.

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Did you even look at the video posted in this thread? Your takeaway from that is to suspend him? Ok then, I guess Brian Kelly should be fired then for his behavior on and off the field.

 

[Classic Irish]

You say that you're privy to double secret info about O'Neill that further justified Haden's suspension of O'Neill, so it shouldn't serve as a basis of comparison. I'm not convinced:

Contrary to some reports that indicate O'Neill engaged in an altercation with multiple fans, people close to the situation indicate that it was one person, a longtime Arizona booster and close friend of Olson, and that the alternation was never physical. Arizona Athletic Director Greg Byrne just tweeted that the "U of Arizona is aware of the situation from last night and we know that the conference and USC is looking into the incident."


Now that probation's over, USC's back to the Dean Wormer approach to supervising coaches. Tough talk.

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JD,

Don't waste your time. The Trojan fan thinks southern cal can do no wrong, and the world is out to get southern cal. He's quite a slow-witted and irrational individual.

 

[Classic Irish]

Isn't there a rule about personal insults on this board? Seriously man, take a break from the boards for awhile. You clearly can't separate being a fan of a team from being a human being.

Again, you referring to obeying rules is the height of irony.

 

[Fatty McButterpants]

Again, you referring to obeying rules is the height of irony.

LOL, this is what I'm talking about. You seriously have an issue separating fandom from the real world. I am a fan of USC football, but you really want me to be USC itself. You have a real anger issue about the USC/Notre Dame rivalry as well. Just take a break man. You'll be ok.

 

[11NCs]

No excuse for what Sark did last night, but I can certainly think of a few things Kelly has done that would refute your claim that he would be "cleaning out his office". Sark got an earful from Haden last night for sure, and Haden put out a statement that said Sark got his message "loud and clear."

And now, a recent chronicling of USC, cleanest program in America...

http://www.bruinsnation.com/2006/6/26/113925/426

http://athlonsports.com/college-football/15-unethical-college-football-programs

http://www.thewire.com/national/201...rs-heroic-rescue-called-into-question/379169/

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ating-could-make-it-harder-for-usc-on-appeal/

 

[cgvr]

Again, you referring to obeying rules is the height of irony.

Here's a must read for you. This article is stunning for many reasons.....
http://www.si.com/college-football/2010/01/11/usc-watson

 

[IRISHJD98]

Did you even look at the video posted in this thread? Your takeaway from that is to suspend him? Ok then, I guess Brian Kelly should be fired then for his behavior on and off the field.

My only takeaway is that you really shouldn't be bragging about how Haden took Sark to the woodshed and slapped a short leash on him.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

Damn there's a lot of dudes butt hurt on both sides. He got drunk, he mad.a.fool of himself and he is going to have deal with it from his boss and from the media/public. So glad no one here gets drunk ever.

 

[IRISHJD98]

Damn there's a lot of dudes butt hurt on both sides. He got drunk, he mad.a.fool of himself and he is going to have deal with it from his boss and from the media/public. So glad no one here gets drunk ever.

I have no problem getting hammered on occasion. I just don't do it on the job. Ever.

 

[Classic Irish]

Here's a must read for you. This article is stunning for many reasons.....
http://www.si.com/college-football/2010/01/11/usc-watson

Impossible! The Poodle is a paragon of ethical behavior. As the Trojan fan implies earlier in this thread, since Urban Meyer and Florida haven't been penalized by the NCAA, then it follows that Carroll and southern cal did nothing wrong. Or something like that.

 

[hvillebill]

I actually heard he was so drunk, his face looked like this...

Try to deflect it any way you wish, but all coaches yell at refs.

YOUR coach, knowingly having an expectation to speak at this event, still chose to get hammered and make a total ass out of himself and your program, since he IS the face of your program. He tells your players to make good choices yet he himself makes a choice which wasn't a good one.

I believe he has a serious issue which Haden will have to address. Good luck with that.

 

[HRC08]

Oh I see, when a USC player has an issue, USC is a cesspool and dirty program, yet when a Notre Dame player has an issue, it's "widely discredited" and no big deal. Keep bringing back those cheaters...LOL.

Noooo..... it's more about the 7 times on NCAA probation that leads us to believe USC is a "cesspool and dirty program." The fact that your HFC got wasted infront of women and high level boosters just makes him look like an alcoholic. Like he said to himself: "Oh, I know i'm supposed to behave tonight so i'll only have one drink" then he couldn't stop. He's a drunk. He should deal with it but that doesn't make USC a dirty program. It's the other million dirty, shameful things they've done that makes us think thatw ay about them.

 

[cgvr]

Impossible! The Poodle is a paragon of ethical behavior. As the Trojan fan implies earlier in this thread, since Urban Meyer and Florida haven't been penalized by the NCAA, then it follows that Carroll and southern cal did nothing wrong. Or something like that.

Interestingly, fatty and the other lying posters claimed that poodle was not penalized by the NCAA. In fact, as I pointed out, poodle was nailed with a major violation. (see link)

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jul/14/local/la-me-pete-carroll-20100714

The southern cal contingent also claimed that bush had a loan from a credit union, that his car was suped up after the bowl game and scores of other lies.... After being proven wrong time and time again they then declared that the NCAA was not a court of law blah blah blah....

The end result was that the NCAA was merciful as they could have squashed the southern cal football program into oblivion and chose not to....that's also in the NCAA report.....

 

[Irish Duck]

Its for people like Fatty McButterpants that the "Ignore" button was created. Use it rather than responding to him.

 

[rocketfuel25]

Busy day. late to the board. FWIW Sark's actions were disgraceful IMO

Not directed at you Beach, and if this was BK or a coach of any sports team that I follow, I would not defend his actions on a message board or anywhere else

 

[Fatty McButterpants]

My only takeaway is that you really shouldn't be bragging about how Haden took Sark to the woodshed and slapped a short leash on him.

I would say it's a tremendous stretch to claim I was "bragging" about anything, much less how Haden reacted to Sark. I merely made a statement of fact on how Haden reacted, it certainly wasn't meant as anything other than information to the board who may not have known.

Keep in mind, never once in this thread did I defend or try and minimize Sarks behavior. What I was defending was the University in general when certain posters, as those posters always do, tried to make definitive statements related to USC based on what happened in this incident. Even then, all I did was point out their hypocrisy.

 

[jerrybed]

Hope you don't mind, but I like to drop by every now and then to see where your collective opinions lay whenever news (good or bad) hits the wires.

Based on what I've read I believe many of you would be surprised that our board is somewhat split on Sark's latest stupor in terms of it being a game-changer or not.

There are many like me who feel Sark is a ticking time bomb both on and off the field and that he should be released, immediately. And there are others who've come to normalize his deviant behavior and simply say, let the season begin.

Either way, here's my reply in response to one of our own bashing (wrongly in my opinion) a national writer and his USC reader base.

I've sided with the other half, Bombs, and here's why...

You're correct, "controversy" sells and high profile people should know better ... they often don't, but they should. That said, when handed controversy such as this on a silver platter public informants like Mandell are gonna leap at the opportunity to inform/despair whomever they can. I get it ...

.. but this is what I can't wrap my arms around. Both and you and I know this incident did not take place in a vacuum. You're a well-informed poster, Bombs, and as such I'm sure you're aware that controversy has followed Sark since his days as an intern/assistant under Carroll, on through to his days at UDub and now here as our HC.

Your assertion of "whining and crying" by a certain fan base simply because of what Mandell wrote is wrong -- such backlash and opinion, if that's how you'd like to describe it, results from much more than this ONE incident or what he (Mandell) wrote in this ONE article ...

... It's his confluence of poor decisions and behavior that we reject on its face. Nothing more, nothing less. Our disdain for Sark now has nothing to do with our dislike of him at the time of his hire.

And as for the nzaa "screwing" us and why little was written of it at the time ... I agree, most of these so-called columnists should have methodically filtered through all the bullshit like Jay Bilas and put forth a well reasoned and thought out opinion. But. They. Didn't.

Unfortunately (this being most hurtful of all), we've managed to do a VERY good job of screwing ourselves since the dreaded Bush days. And you know what, the nzaa had NOTHING to do with the decisions, strategy or courses of action held by our current administration.

 

[tkirish]

This is the difference between today's young brash coaches and what I saw growing up. Simply put Sark has no class.Haden should have him on a short leash. Haden at least may not like ND but he does respect them. When will sportsmanship return? It's sad when your head coach acts like a player. Where is the leadership? I gotta say I want the Irish to win more than anything. But if a Notre Dame coach did that, I would hope he was fired on the spot. Could any of you see Ara, Dan Devine, Gerry Faust or Lou Holtz acting like that? No excuse and no room for that nonsense. Heck, John McKay nor John Robinson would ever do anything like that.