These are the most ridiculous comments i've read. We are discussing BUFFALO AND NIU!! and how good their defenses are? Let me repeat NIU AND BUFFALO!!! Is this a Notre Dame forum or a Miami OH forum, wtf?
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These are the most ridiculous comments i've read. We are discussing BUFFALO AND NIU!! and how good their defenses are? Let me repeat NIU AND BUFFALO!!! Is this a Notre Dame forum or a Miami OH forum, wtf?
That great. I was just wondering what he was seeing that made him think the LSU offense looked so great.
Oh I read it. I just thought it was stupid. Because they couldn't really run the ball. The qb was turning the ball over and wasn't completing 50% of his passes. And they scored 23 points in regulation. I just thought it was an odd comment. Even for you
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You look so stupid but you think you are right. It is funny
he had a bad game. They played a top 10 team. The reality is all 4 of those QB's this evening are better than RL.
What I watched, I liked LSU’s offense, and Garrett Nussmeier, a pure pocket QB, is definitely a better passer of the football than RL. No question.
And I like RL as a QB.
It wasn't about him. You made it about him and RL because you are obsessed
I was asking about the offense. Not particularly him. Why was I not surprised you made it into a RL thing
Yeah and nowhere near as good as a runner. And he puts the ball in harms way.
I like Nussmeirand it wasn't about him but I was asking what is so great about LSUs offense that they are varsity and ND is so bad they are JV
The gap isn't that big. I like our run game a lot more. I like their passing game a lot more. I think they have a good offense. But not the gap he made it out to be
Given the current state of the offense Leonard is easily the best person to be playing QB for ND. His ability to run read option and the continued improvement in the RPO phase of the offense is very encouraging. He played VERY well yesterday. Decisive and accurate for the most part throwing the ball. He's never going to be a great passer. He protects the football and that's a huge factor with a very stout defense. Not sure why some continue to complain unless their expectations were clearly unrealistic. I never thought he was a great QB. He just needs to efficient and protect the ball.
This is it.
The offense is rolling. We played like shit vs NIU. Otherwise, we're killing people.
I'll happily eat a bit of crow here for some of my critical comments. He's played well enough and done enough things to help win games and most importantly, isn't making bad turnovers. I will say this, he's not too terribly bad throwing the ball into tight windows on short and even intermediate passes. He threw a couple yesterday, including I think two TD's that had to be inside a pizza box and did so. Hard to complain about that.
Do I sill have reservations? Yes. Do I think he is the kind of QB that will lead us down the field for a gaming winning score late? Not really. Perhaps we're seeing a coordinator opening the play book up more and more and allowing him to make more plays with his arm as his confidence and the coaching staff's confidence grows?
Anyway, the offense is more than Leonard. The Oline has issues at times, recievers too and the play calling hasn't been exactly stellar either.
Do I sill have reservations? Yes. Do I think he is the kind of QB that will lead us down the field for a gaming winning score late? Not really. Perhaps we're seeing a coordinator opening the play book up more and more and allowing him to make more plays with his arm as his confidence and the coaching staff's confidence grows?
Anyway, the offense is more than Leonard. The Oline has issues at times, recievers too and the play calling hasn't been exactly stellar either.
Notre Dame’s offense is killing certain kinds of people.
Never called him great, just a much better passer than RL but I guess that makes him a 1st round talent 🤷♂️
If you can't see the improvement I don't know what to say.
If you consider his ability to run....he is way above average!
he didn’t exactly light up AM. I’m not saying we lose those games but if we win it will be because of the defense. And it’s hard to see us having a shot against Texas or Georgia or teams like that with a qb that’s very limited in the air.
The running game is the staple of the ND offense. Not having a QB who is a threat in the make up of the offense is not a benefit either. ND will not have a dynamic down the field passing offense with the current offensive line. Doesn't matter who the QB is.
That's not true. The OL hasn't been great, but they've given the QB time to throw.
Never said they haven't. You misunderstand. Having a QB that's a legitimate threat to run the football not only makes a defense reluctant to pin their ears back and get upfield it helps neutralize the pass rush. An immobile QB changes that dynamic.
I was referring to your comment about ND not having a vertical passing offense with the current O-Line. That's false because again, the line has played well and has given the QB time to throw. It's well known and on film that RL has missed open receivers throughout this season, and tucked the ball sooner than needed.
Thought I would come on here today and read a lot of posts about how Leonard is showing significant progress. Golson is correct in reminding everyone that Leonard played last year on one leg, came to ND and had two surgeries on the same foot/ankle, missed spring practice, and is adjusting to new coaches and new system and new receivers. The Leonard we saw against Stanford is the Leonard we thought we were recruiting. Not a great passer, but an elite running qb whose threat to run opens up the passing game. Yesterday, he was pin point accurate on the slants for TD, and generally accurate enough to put up some damn good numbers. We would be undefeated if he played like this against NIU, and we wouldn’t be constantly bitching about an underperforming offense if he passed this well all season. I see steady progress and confidence and trust in his receivers, and much better passing in general. We’re never going to be the offensive juggernaut we envisioned with all the injuries we’ve endured along the OL, but we should be celebrating a beat down of one of our rivals, and give credit where due, not harping on the negatives, as few as they were.
No I didn't. This team has the capability to have a vertical passing attack, but we have a QB that can't accurately make those throws, and we do have a QB that can. Again, to quote you:
"ND will not have a dynamic down the field passing offense with the current offensive line. Doesn't matter who the QB is". Again your statement is false.
It's clear RL has improved. Is he Caleb? Can he make that pass Caleb made in the end zone?
Would be great if he did.
Would be great if he did.
I'm happy ND won, and glad to see Riley Leonard improving. This post by the OP is pointless. RL had a decent game against a crappy team, great. He's still no where near 1st round talent as the OP has suggested. If he was, he should be able to make the throw Caleb made.
I would disagree. To me (just a fan, never coached nor played), he's smart and mobile. He can pick up big yards with his legs and move the ball in late and critical situations. He did it against TAMU.
Caleb Williams?
The problem with Riley is the passing game is in such an easy spot, and he can’t make teams pay. Yea he played well vs Stanford but they’re bad so let’s see if he continues improving as we don’t play a good defense until playoffs.
My concern is he has drive stalling misses and he has to be sharp vs navy and army due to their super high efficient offenses and clock usage. Those two games concern me now
Riley threw the ball better, but still bad. He also made made some poor decisions in the read game. Again, he played well but we need him to be significantly better still
My concern is he has drive stalling misses and he has to be sharp vs navy and army due to their super high efficient offenses and clock usage. Those two games concern me now
Riley threw the ball better, but still bad. He also made made some poor decisions in the read game. Again, he played well but we need him to be significantly better still
Agree… I think most of us (me for sure) really thought this was a year we could compete for a title. Right now oline and qb passing look to be our weakest link from that. Oline due to injuries, qb passing has been shockingly below average to poor
Yea Leonard looked better yesterday, but how downfield passing is so bad still but we’re making plays because like all year, players are wide open due to our running game
He's been over 70% two games in a row, with 5 TD passes and no interceptions. So he's definitely improving. That's a good sign.
And our offense was very balanced, with over 200 yds both rushing and passing, for 477 total yds.
I see that. But I"m going to be honest, A&M, if we had to play them later in the season, we might be in trouble. If we were going to play them, game one is when we'd want to. I hope i'm wrong and he proves me wrong, but sooner or later, I think a defense is going to have the ability and athletes to spy on him the whole game and keep him from getting outside and running. I'm no football genius, but thats what I'd be doing and forcing him to throw the ball to beat me.
"This team has the capability to have a vertical passing attack, but we have a QB that can't accurately make those throws, and we do have a QB that can"
While that is true -- we also have a QB that, when the pocket fails, can get out and make something happen -- and, a QB who not good at escaping the rush and will likely take a sack -- so, which one do you want?
