Rather have as HC? Kelly, Richt, or Dantonio?
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Will stick with Kelly as I think he has done a wonderful job, especially with the uptick in recruiting, especially over the last few years.
Now, I would not mind seeing Dantonio either -- MSU is routinely a fundamentally sound team, and over, the past 4-5 years, has had a really good program.
Now, I would not mind seeing Dantonio either -- MSU is routinely a fundamentally sound team, and over, the past 4-5 years, has had a really good program.
Obviously Dantonio. He wins Big time games. He has a Rose Bowl and Cotton Bowl to his credits and owns michigan. Kelly doesn't have any really big wins yet, no quality bowl wins, and has a losing record to michigan.
BK. I think he gets ND. Just because a HC has been successful somewhere else doesn't mean they would understand just exactly what this university is about and what it would take to be successful here. Bumps and all, I'll take BK. The grass is always greener...............
The safe choice is Kelly. I do agree that he "gets" ND. However, I do give a lot of credit to D'Antonio for MSU's success with lesser talent.
I give Kelly a very slight edge over Dantonio, I just see Kelly as a better guy to sell ND to recruits than the more mellow Dantonio would be. But I'd be very happy with either of them. Richt is a great person, would be a guy you'd love to be carrying the ND banner, but overall he's really underperformed given the talent he had in his program, and the amazing talent that Georgia high school football produces year in and year out. With Florida on its collective butt in recent years Georgia should have been dominating the SEC East, but they weren't. Like Faust was at ND, the Georgia faithful loved Richt, they just wanted him to do better.
If he hasn't recruited much talent, BK must be the best developer of football players in the nation putting all these kids in the league.
...but Dantonio has often lost to Kelly.
And like it or not....the head coach at ND has an intangible element.
He must be well spoken , articulate, and represent the University, not just the football team. A bit like a politician.
Dantonio is a fine coach, but I'm not sure has it in this category.
Which of those 3 years did MSU have one?
Or, what was the last year the MSU had a higher ranked recruiting class than ND?
Biggest negatives on Kelly . Still can 't get over the number of close games against average teams . We had a lead on Virginia and almost let it get away , a last minute win against rated Temple who after giving its' all against ND was a disappointment at the end of the season. . As good as BC's defense was , ND should have won going away . Wake Forest and Pitt weren't impressive wins . We had chances in the big games against top teams like Clemson and Stanford and came up short . As far as the Ohio State game , we couldn't make the big plays on offense .
Yet , Kelly and ND have been in the conversation in 2012 ,2015 . The recruiting is picking up for both 2017 and 2018. Just hope we land a few more difference makers on defense . Mustipher's brother would be a big get in 2018 .
Yet , Kelly and ND have been in the conversation in 2012 ,2015 . The recruiting is picking up for both 2017 and 2018. Just hope we land a few more difference makers on defense . Mustipher's brother would be a big get in 2018 .
I wonder if Richt explained to his new team, in the simplest terms, why the Canes wild play against Duke was not a TD. I would love to be in the team meeting for that topic as he looks across the room at blank stares.
Thank you very much for making my case:
MSU Final AP ranking
2010 14
2011 11
2012 NR
2013 3
2014 6
2015 6
Notre Dame Final AP rankings
2010 NR
2011 NR
2012 4
2013 20
2014 NR
2015 11
MSU Rivals recruiting rankings
2010 31
2011 32
2012 42
2013 47
2014 22
2015 22
2016 18
Rivals recruiting rankings ND ’10-‘16
2010 ND 14
2011 ND 10
2012 ND 20
2013 ND 3
2014 ND 11
2015 ND 11
2016 ND 13
Today?
well, stability continuity are import in developing organizations and player development.
and in 2 yrs under Kelly it would be an experienced in house promotion: Sanford.
Ya Gotta like Kelly in answer to the OP.
well, stability continuity are import in developing organizations and player development.
and in 2 yrs under Kelly it would be an experienced in house promotion: Sanford.
Ya Gotta like Kelly in answer to the OP.
In my opinion, Kelly is the only one of the three that has the skills to meet the on field and off field demands of the job.
You mean like the playoff game against Alabama last year?
I can't remember the score. Help me out here.
Apols to the OP, but I really don't get it, we are bout a month from the season opener, and we could be discussing the 'team' instead of beating the dead horse again.
ND has a coach for 2016, for sure. So why?
ND has a coach for 2016, for sure. So why?
You are missing an important piece
ND SOS
2010 32
2011 13
2012 7
2013 30
2014 32
2015 8
MSU SOS
2010 42
2011 15
2012 29
2013 36
2014 16
2015 20
These are according to https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other?date=2016-01-12
Includes bowl opponents which probably make MSU's SOS increase more so than ours as they've consistency played in bigger bowls.
Dantonio is a really good coach...but I think BK is better for ND.
Their average SOS rank for the time frame is 26.3 and our's is 20.3....
Their average recruiting rank is 35.6 versus our 13.6....
Keep building the straw men..... Who wrote that he had a top 3 recruiting class?
Again, thank you very much for making my case:
MSU Final AP ranking
2010 14
2011 11
2012 NR
2013 3
2014 6
2015 6
Notre Dame Final AP rankings
2010 NR
2011 NR
2012 4
2013 20
2014 NR
2015 11
MSU Rivals recruiting rankings
2010 31
2011 32
2012 42
2013 47
2014 22
2015 22
2016 18
Rivals recruiting rankings ND ’10-‘16
2010 ND 14
2011 ND 10
2012 ND 20
2013 ND 3
2014 ND 11
2015 ND 11
2016 ND 13
Here where you mention 'uptick in recruiting'
Again. Where did he have a top 3 recruiting class?
There was a vote by college coaches on who exactly they would want their son to play for. Bob Stoops and Mark Richt tied for first. Other high vote getters were David Shaw, Jerry Kill, Fitz, and Cutcliffe. Our own BK and Saban were nowhere to be found among those receiving votes. Interpret this vote any way you like. I don't think it means much of anything.
I actually challenged Kelso's post where he wrote and I accurately quoted,
"Will stick with Kelly as I think he has done a wonderful job, especially with the uptick in recruiting, especially over the last few years.
Now, I would not mind seeing Dantonio either -- MSU is routinely a fundamentally sound team, and over, the past 4-5 years, has had a really good program.
2 Kelso86, Yesterday at 11:34 AM"
You just aren't particularly bright.
Again, thank you very much for making my case:
MSU Final AP ranking
2010 14
2011 11
2012 NR
2013 3
2014 6
2015 6
Notre Dame Final AP rankings
2010 NR
2011 NR
2012 4
2013 20
2014 NR
2015 11
MSU Rivals recruiting rankings
2010 31
2011 32
2012 42
2013 47
2014 22
2015 22
2016 18
Rivals recruiting rankings ND ’10-‘16
2010 ND 14
2011 ND 10
2012 ND 20
2013 ND 3
2014 ND 11
2015 ND 11
2016 ND 13
Having read some of what Shaw has said about potential recruits around the country I am surprised to find him ranked so high
So he was talking about recruiting. You replied to his post about recruiting. And spoke on a completely different issue?
That is how a 14 year old girl argues.
Not sure you are old enough to talk like that yet.
I wonder how Dantonio would do if given the advantages of Notre Dame. I think he's a better football coach than Kelly from an X's and O's standpoint and from a motivational standpoint. I look at what he did with MSU last year at Columbus. That team went into Ohio State without Connor Cook and managed to defeat the Buckeyes using two quarterbacks. I'm not sure Kelly could do the same given the same situation.
kelso wrote, "Will stick with Kelly as I think he has done a wonderful job, especially with the uptick in recruiting, especially over the last few years."
I challenged kelso's assertion that there has been an uptick in recruiting at ND.
You then lost your marbles.
So you were replying about recruiting? By not talking about recruiting?
Or you replied to his comment about recruiting, by talking about recruiting, and don't want to answer the question I posed?
Either way I get it.
Your goal was to be an asshat. We get that. But at least try to take a midol before you post and stay on topic.
I replied to kelso about his take on porky's recruiting. You then replied like you most likely have been smoking crack.... Again, you just aren't very intelligent. It's okay.
PS I can't think of a coach that has done less with more these past 6 years than dopey....
Look at what each done at UC coach Kelly did a better job though many believe coach Dantonio set him up for success. Coach Dantonio has had more success on the big stage @ MSU though while coach Kelly's hands are tied due to admission restrictions @ ND
I can. But since Weis was your preferred coach let's not get too far down that road. Never every coach can be awesome in your book while going 3-9
