There's another total lie. Fatso was never a choice by me for anything other than an eating contest.
Rather have as HC? Kelly, Richt, or Dantonio?
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Just can't see Stoops. Poor graduation rate, could argue he has underperformed with all the talent he has had. What is appealing out going to OU to for him?
None of the above.
Chuckles "Schematic Advantage" Weis....... That cat was the GOAT.
he's a fine coach. top 15. nd is fortunate to have him. the one man band continues to play out of tune.
agreed. that said nd has many more obstacles in recruiting though too. dantonio would do a very good job i believe anywhere as would brian kelly. good coaches will find success period.
i think crediting or blaming head coaches for graduation rates is a total joke. its on the institution.
The head coach sets the academic tone of the program, and whether they are really committed to academics or are just giving it lip service. He also has the ultimate say as to which kids the program brings in, and which ones they don't. He's the one who decides whether his program is going to be one where kids are encouraged to go into whatever field of study most interests them, or whether kids will be "strongly encouraged" to focus on the easiest majors so they can stay eligible. Almost simply by his attitude toward academics, he has a lot to do with the academic side of the program. And I'm talking his real attitude, which might differ from the one you hear about when he's standing at the podium on media day.
At a place like ND the institution plays a very big role in all of the above. That's our system. At some of the big public schools, where coaches are treated like royalty, the institution will let them set the tone for the program. You think the school President wants anything to do with going toe to toe with Bob Stoops on any issue? Or Nick Saban? Or Urban Meyer? Or any or a host of high profile coaches? We could win 50 games in a row and Father Jenkins would have no problem at all voicing his displeasure with Kelly on an issue. Our system is different from a lot of places.
i think its absurd that ANY coach gets a bonus tied to academic success. the support people and the athletes do ALL the work. coaches barely have time to see their families let alone worry about who made study table or not. coaches are hired to win games. i understand the putting the coach up front as the face of a programs athletic success but in reality they have very little to do with it. anything else is a discredit to the people who are really responsible.
i personally know a ton of coaches and don't believe what you've posted above to be true. the institution sets the bar. some have lower levels than others. coaches have little if any input or care to anyway.
"El Stinko"
explain away....
MSU Final AP ranking
2010 14
2011 11
2012 NR
2013 3
2014 6
2015 6
Notre Dame Final AP rankings
2010 NR
2011 NR
2012 4
2013 20
2014 NR
2015 11
MSU Rivals recruiting rankings
2010 31
2011 32
2012 42
2013 47
2014 22
2015 22
2016 18
Rivals recruiting rankings ND ’10-‘16
2010 ND 14
2011 ND 10
2012 ND 20
2013 ND 3
2014 ND 11
2015 ND 11
2016 ND 13
Echo is right on on this respect. The HC is responsible for the football program .
The institution and the student is responsible for the academics and graduation.
committing to your commitment is a life lesson that will be build or break you as a person
^ this is true at ND, but at many insitutions the football head coach is himself an insitution and wields great influence. This influence can and often does affect the academic effort.
The institution is of course ultimately responsible as the chain of command goes, but sometimes things get turned upside down (remember a guy named Paterno?)
that coaches care to have much if any input in the academic support systems. its not their field of expertise.
You don't think Stoops or Saban can influence the graduation rate at their respective schools? Of course they can but it makes their jobs more difficult.
i guess if they CARED to they may but they are there to win games. the other stuff is quite frankly a distraction and its why they don't bother with it. i don't know of ANY coach that was actively involved with the development and implementing of the academic support system at their respective schools.
The institution sets the bar, sure. But the HC is required to hit the bar. BTW, Kelly has focused more of his effort on this and it appears to be paying off.
ND sets the bar, but the head coach has to buy in to that philosophy. If not, then it isn't a fit and regardless of how good he is he won't be coaching here. It is what it is. That's one of the challenges.
Man landed on the moon in 1969.
Has as much to do with the question I asked. When did Dantonio have his last top 3 recruiting class?
This is not an all or nothing proposition. The educational institution of ND clearly influences the graduation rate of its athletes, through policies and culture and support, etc... I don't know the stats, but I don't expect the outstanding graduation rate of ND football players to have changed much from Davies to Willingham to Weis to Kelly. That said, ND hires head coaches who understand and buy into this expectation and requirements, and they are a critical extension of these. I personally believe the institution plays a much larger role in influencing graduation rates than the HC, but not without the buy in and support of the HC.
The football program includes 100 plus students. He can make them go to class, study Hall etc.so they will get their degree.
The head football coach can very easily affect graduation rates.
If they cared about their kids, they would do this but it makes their job more difficult.
Part of Holtz decline was attributed to a grad rate that had fallen into the 70 percentile range....
http://articles.latimes.com/1996-11-29/sports/sp-3969_1_notre-dame
"We had worked it all out," Wadsworth said. "We had had a couple of bad recruiting classes, frankly, and with some players going on early to the NFL and a couple having academic or discipline problems, the graduation rate was dropping to the mid-70s[%], which isn't acceptable here."
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