OT: This is exactly what I'm talking about

[francade]

"Perhaps you should be more clear in your statements."

Perhaps you should understand the written word a little better. It was clear as a bell. You said something stupid pertaining to what trump said & I called it fake news. You want me to type slower for you?

 

[Islero]

How intolerant of you islero! The neanderthal comment is a very hurtful stereotype that libs are supposedly against. Are you a bigot now too?

Sometimes objectivity is hurtful. I don't have speculate about whether you're a bigot.

 

[Toby Smart]

Not sure if those were discussed here.many of the topics you cited were discussed in the classroom and other places. You always resort to the past to avoid the present day issues.

And you always avoid the past eight years like it was the plague. Nothing to see here. I have not been watching any news about the incidents yesterday so I do have a bunch of legit questions that even Fox has not answered. 1) Did the nationalists have a legal permit to protest? 2) Did the counter protest have a legal permit to protest? 3) Was there an effort from local and state officials to keep the two sides far away from each other? 4) What side was the instigator that led to violence? 5) What side threw the first punch? 6) How many arrests and from which side? 7) How many from both sides didn't even live in the area? I want the story in context. Not just media talking points because I know they have been salivating for something like this to happen.

 

[cancandodo]

Spoken like a true Libitard.

Anyone that uses a term like that must not want to be taken seriously. Way to make yourself and any message you have a total joke. Grow up.

 

[rgc7]

And you always avoid the past eight years like it was the plague. Nothing to see here. I have not been watching any news about the incidents yesterday so I do have a bunch of legit questions that even Fox has not answered. 1) Did the nationalists have a legal permit to protest? 2) Did the counter protest have a legal permit to protest? 3) Was there an effort from local and state officials to keep the two sides far away from each other? 4) What side was the instigator that led to violence? 5) What side threw the first punch? 6) How many arrests and from which side? 7) How many from both sides didn't even live in the area? I want the story in context. Not just media talking points because I know they have been salivating for something like this to happen.

Toby,
First of all I would like to make my position crystal clear, I am neither a supporter of the marchers
From the White Supremacist groups, nor of the Radical left groups. Both groups are creating hatred
And dividing our country. Criminals on both sides should be prosecuted and sentenced to the maximums.
That said , to have a " Clash " their must be Two Groups, so I had the same questions that you just raised in your post ?
Now the Democrats , RINOs , and Liberal Media are trying to make hay about President Trump's
Comments in which he condemns all radical and violent groups. Since this Demostration was due to a
Protest by Right Wing wackos, The President is now being criticized for not naming the group specifically.
The President's statement was absolutely correct: " All radical groups must be condemned " ,
No matter what their name or race may be. The group that Clashed with the Right Radicals, from the videos that I saw, was also Throwing punches and swinging bats and sticks, who were they ? Should the other group not be called out as well ?
It is time to unite the country , not divide it ideologically or Racially.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Toby,
First of all I would like to make my position crystal clear, I am neither a supporter of the marchers
From the White Supremacist groups, nor of the Radical left groups. Both groups are creating hatred
And dividing our country. Criminals on both sides should be prosecuted and sentenced to the maximums.
That said , to have a " Clash " their must be Two Groups, so I had the same questions that you just raised in your post ?
Now the Democrats , RINOs , and Liberal Media are trying to make hay about President Trump's
Comments in which he condemns all radical and violent groups. Since this Demostration was due to a
Protest by Right Wing wackos, The President is now being criticized for not naming the group specifically.
The President's statement was absolutely correct: " All radical groups must be condemned " ,
No matter what their name or race may be. The group that Classed with the Right Radicals, from the videos that I saw, was also Throwing punches and swinging bats and sticks, who were they ? Should the other group not be called out as well ?
It is time to unite the country , not divide it ideologically or Racially.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^This guy gets it^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[ndfi65]

Anyone that uses a term like that must not want to be taken seriously. Way to make yourself and any message you have a total joke. Grow up.

Another Libby

 

[echowaker]

And you always avoid the past eight years like it was the plague. Nothing to see here. I have not been watching any news about the incidents yesterday so I do have a bunch of legit questions that even Fox has not answered. 1) Did the nationalists have a legal permit to protest? 2) Did the counter protest have a legal permit to protest? 3) Was there an effort from local and state officials to keep the two sides far away from each other? 4) What side was the instigator that led to violence? 5) What side threw the first punch? 6) How many arrests and from which side? 7) How many from both sides didn't even live in the area? I want the story in context. Not just media talking points because I know they have been salivating for something like this to happen.

What would you like to discuss ? Why limit it to the past 8 years ?

 

[echowaker]

Struck a nerve? You give yourself too much credit, echo. Your insinuation that I'm a racist cuz I said you were full of shit for calling trump a divider is low, even for your usual uninformed liberal left wing drivel. And just ftr, the white supremesists in yesterday's melee, along w/ every other one in the country & world, for that matter, can go f themselves, same as any other group that puts one race ahead or different than another. To call what trump said yesterday him being a divider is just another shot by the left that has no merit whatsoever. He's said a lot of stupid shit, this ain't one of them.

That's your opinion.you can stick that too divider supporter.

 

[Toby Smart]

What would you like to discuss ? Why limit it to the past 8 years ?

I would like anyone to have confirmed answers to the questions I have listed. The media, including Fox, have no details about anything other than blaming one group over another without any detailed info. I don't want media talking points. My mind is open to real answers to real questions. As it stands, do we blame the peaceful individuals from both sides? Do we only blame everyone from one side? That seems to be the consensus from the media and political cucumbers, like they have any real details either. Are the local and state reps partly responsible? What about the governor who created a situation before it even started with his rhetoric, then had no answers to stop it once it started. It's his damn state and his responsibility to do more, talk less. So far, I have gathered there was fighting, a car driven into a crowd, an arrest, two officers dead and one protester dead also, and all this because Virginia would like to take down another Civil War monument. I'm looking for much more detailed info. Until then, I hold both sides and local and state officials responsible.

 

[NIN Irish]

I would like anyone to have confirmed answers to the questions I have listed. The media, including Fox, have no details about anything other than blaming one group over another without any detailed info. I don't want media talking points. My mind is open to real answers to real questions. As it stands, do we blame the peaceful individuals from both sides? Do we only blame everyone from one side? That seems to be the consensus from the media and political cucumbers, like they have any real details either. Are the local and state reps partly responsible? What about the governor who created a situation before it even started with his rhetoric, then had no answers to stop it once it started. It's his damn state and his responsibility to do more, talk less. So far, I have gathered there was fighting, a car driven into a crowd, an arrest, two officers dead and one protester dead also, and all this because Virginia would like to take down another Civil War monument. I'm looking for much more detailed info. Until then, I hold both sides and local and state officials responsible.

A right wing wacko mowed over innocent victims walking in the street, with his car. Stop looking for excuses.

 

[deadirishpoet]

A right wing wacko mowed over innocent victims walking in the street, with his car. Stop looking for excuses.

Who picks what wing these nut belong too?

There is NOTHING conservative about being a Nazi

 

[Toby Smart]

A right wing wacko mowed over innocent victims walking in the street, with his car. Stop looking for excuses.

And BLM was also a major force at the rally. What do you think they were doing? Reading the Bible?

 

[cancandodo]

Another Libby

Nope just a teacher of children with exceptionalities who takes exception to ignorance like yours.

 

[NIN Irish]

Who picks what wing these nut belong too?

There is NOTHING conservative about being a Nazi

Correction: Trump supporter.

 

[francade]

"That's your opinion.you can stick that too divider supporter."

Echo, don't get pissed at me for not understanding what I wrote. U thought I was talking about the tragedy yesterday when I mentioned fake news when I was referring to your typical, stupid critique of trump's response. There was nothing wrong w/ his reaction but you left wingers will spin anything you can to bring him down. Like I said, he's said some stupid shit, but this was totally benign. Go ahead and make yourself feel better by calling me a racist, but it's gonna fall on deaf ears. You're still butt hurt that the country voted against the direction of the country guided by the Marxist we had in office for eight years, but that doesn't give you the right to call anyone that voted for trump a racist. Learn how to read a post and then pop off. I hope you don't teach reading comprehension you arrogant jackass.

 

[NIN Irish]

And BLM was also a major force at the rally. What do you think they were doing? Reading the Bible?

Not sure what BLM stands for, nothing to do with BM I suppose. It doesn't excuse someone driving their car into a crowd of people though.

 

[Toby Smart]

Not sure what BLM stands for, nothing to do with BM I suppose. It doesn't excuse someone driving their car into a crowd of people though.

BLM means Black Lives Matter. The driver will and should be punished with all force of the law. The counter protesters had no permit to rally and agitate. They moved on from agitating the nationalists to doing the same to the police. They are no innocent party in this. There are white nationalists, black nationalists, Hispanic nationalists. All types of hate groups from all backgrounds and colors. First impression of any incident may not be what it seems. The more I read and hear about the story, the more I am convinced that blame should be directed at the state and local authorities including political hacks and police authorities (not the grunts on the ground), the nationalists, the counter protesters, and the media to some extent. I have seen no evidence so far to convince me otherwise. As I wish Dallas didn't happen or the assaults to property and people on campuses or Ferguson and Baltimore, I really wish Virginia never happened either. This nonsense has been brewing from outsiders for years.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

Who picks what wing these nut belong too?

There is NOTHING conservative about being a Nazi

You're just switching out terms now. They self identify as the "Alt-Right" and are referred to by people on both sides as the "Alt-Right." One of their primary tenants is small government, because government is currently just a tool to subjugate whites by bringing them down artificially to the standards of other races/classes. This seems obvious.

 

[deadirishpoet]

You're just switching out terms now. They self identify as the "Alt-Right" and are referred to by people on both sides as the "Alt-Right." One of their primary tenants is small government, because government is currently just a tool to subjugate whites by bringing them down artificially to the standards of other races/classes. This seems obvious.

There is nothing alt-right about Nazi socialism this seems obvious

 

[SALittleGiant513]

The "Alt-Right" as defined by outsides and those who self-identify with the term support, participate and are these groups. Also, I am not sure any of those groups are advocating for economic theories like socialism, but the use of socialism is good in this instance because that economic theory is usually defined as "Left". To go back to your original point... I don't think Neo-Nazi groups are inherently "Republican" or representative of "conservative" thoughts. The problem is that there are a lot of "Republicans" and "conservatives" that are like "well Nazis/Neo-Nazi's have feelings too" and want to label anyone who is like "dude they are Nazis eff Nazis" as "Liberals." When that dichotomy is set up, then Republicans/Conservative are going to be grouped in with the Nazis/Neo-Nazis because they are otherizing the people who are speaking out against them.

 

[deadirishpoet]

The "Alt-Right" as defined by outsides and those who self-identify with the term support, participate and are these groups. Also, I am not sure any of those groups are advocating for economic theories like socialism, but the use of socialism is good in this instance because that economic theory is usually defined as "Left". To go back to your original point... I don't think Neo-Nazi groups are inherently "Republican" or representative of "conservative" thoughts. The problem is that there are a lot of "Republicans" and "conservatives" that are like "well Nazis/Neo-Nazi's have feelings too" and want to label anyone who is like "dude they are Nazis eff Nazis" as "Liberals." When that dichotomy is set up, then Republicans/Conservative are going to be grouped in with the Nazis/Neo-Nazis because they are otherizing the people who are speaking out against them.

Pure nonsense

 

[SALittleGiant513]

You asked why Neo-Nazi groups are being categorized as "Right" or "Conservative"... this is the analysis. Do you have any idea why that you would like to share that is different?

 

[deadirishpoet]

You asked why Neo-Nazi groups are being categorized as "Right" or "Conservative"... this is the analysis. Do you have any idea why that you would like to share that is different?

The analysis is profoundly wrong there is nothing conservative about being a Nazi look at your history or what Hitler was do you believe he was a conservative?

Do you believe they believe the same things the conservative party believes in?


Them calling themselves conservative/right is like Rachel Anne Dolezal calling herself a black woman.
Saying it doesn't make it so

 

[SALittleGiant513]

It doesn't matter what the link between conservatives and Hitler/WWII Nazis is or if there is one. The question is why the neo-nazis here are linked to conservatism. (1) because they self identify as alt-right... i.e. hyper conservative and people on the right and left just adopt that and (2) some conservatives are quick to label anyone who criticize the alt-right as "Sjws, libtards, snowflakes, etc"... this creates a binary of in group/out group through rhetoric... if conservatives, albeit not all but some, are helping to create this binary it only reinforces the characterization of the Alt-right as a conservative sect. Social constructs are a bitch man but it is what it is.

 

[deadirishpoet]

It doesn't matter what the link between conservatives and Hitler/WWII Nazis is or if there is one. The question is why the neo-nazis here are linked to conservatism. (1) because they self identify as alt-right... i.e. hyper conservative and people on the right and left just adopt that and (2) some conservatives are quick to label anyone who criticize the alt-right as "Sjws, libtards, snowflakes, etc"... this creates a binary of in group/out group through rhetoric... if conservatives, albeit not all but some, are helping to create this binary it only reinforces the characterization of the Alt-right as a conservative sect. Social constructs are a bitch man but it is what it is.

More nonsense

 

[SALittleGiant513]

Ok. I don't get it. You wanted to know why people are linking the Alt-right with conservatives. I have given you a summarized view of how this has happened from what i have read over the last 6 months from articles documenting why the Alt-Right is a gop problem. This issue is being written about everywhere. If you dont like the summary like i have suggested, maybe you have a better expplanation. You are caught up on this idea that it's happening because people think Republican ideology is in line with neo-nazis. It's not, but it doesn't matter because that's not the point. Was you point to just complain the conservatives aren't all Neo-Nazis? If so my bad.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Ok. I don't get it. You wanted to know why people are linking the Alt-right with conservatives. I have given you a summarized view of how this has happened from what i have read over the last 6 months from articles documenting why the Alt-Right is a gop problem. This issue is being written about everywhere. If you dont like the summary like i have suggested, maybe you have a better expplanation. You are caught up on this idea that it's happening because people think Republican ideology is in line with neo-nazis. It's not, but it doesn't matter because that's not the point. Was you point to just complain the conservatives aren't all Neo-Nazis? If so my bad.

You don't get it that much is true.
I have no idea what articles you are getting this from, but your sources are completely incorrect.

Trying to demonize the right just because some skinhead/Nazi pricks believe they are some form of a conservative movement is utterly ridiculous.

They never have been never will be just like Rachel Dolezal calling herself a black woman. Just because done one says something does not make it so .

Left-leaning Publications picked up on their rhetoric and started assimilating them with the conservative movement to fracture the conservative base. There is no tolerance for that kind of behavior.

Listen brother I like a lot of your post but when it comes too politics do not tell me what affiliations belong to my party.
I am extremely active in the conservative movement and know what the heartbeat is.
Not only am I saying that there are no Neo-Nazi skinheads in the conservative party, but never will be in fact if I'm not mistaken they all belong to the Democratic party......you know the Robert Byrd types.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

My god man. I am not even that liberal. I voted for Rubio in our primaries down here for god sakes. I already said in two or three of my posts that I don't think the Neo-Nazi's or the Alt-Right have views that are demonstrative of what traditional or even baseline GOP beliefs are. But that doesn't matter ridiculous categorizations occur all the time when people break things down as only "Left or Right." These "Left leaning" publications may run with the phrasing of "Alt-right" but the groups themselves were using the term as an identifier before the media even viewed them as a legitimate presence in the political world. The primary link to the Alt-right and right wing politics is formed by the alt-right... They view themselves as the true Conservative voices as the GOP has turned their backs on true right wing beliefs, hence why they term themselves the "Alt-right". The Economist, Politico, Vox, the National Review, have all written about this because the "Alt-Right" confuses politics as we traditionally know it. It is obvious now that your original post wasn't actually seeking the answer to how the link between neo-nazis and the GOP happened, you just wanted to say it is stupid that the link has been made. My bad, I misunderstood your point. You are right it is stupid that people are linking the two and dismissing GOP politicians and conservatives as neo-nazis. It is also stupid that people are out there equivocating on whether or not neo-nazis have a valid point. Its even more stupid that a dude runs a car into a group he disagrees with and the initial reaction by many is well he was probably provoked by professional protestors. Its all stupid but that is just the world we are in right now.

 

[deadirishpoet]

My god man. I am not even that liberal. I voted for Rubio in our primaries down here for god sakes. I already said in two or three of my posts that I don't think the Neo-Nazi's or the Alt-Right have views that are demonstrative of what traditional or even baseline GOP beliefs are. But that doesn't matter ridiculous categorizations occur all the time when people break things down as only "Left or Right." These "Left leaning" publications may run with the phrasing of "Alt-right" but the groups themselves were using the term as an identifier before the media even viewed them as a legitimate presence in the political world. The primary link to the Alt-right and right wing politics is formed by the alt-right... They view themselves as the true Conservative voices as the GOP has turned their backs on true right wing beliefs, hence why they term themselves the "Alt-right". The Economist, Politico, Vox, the National Review, have all written about this because the "Alt-Right" confuses politics as we traditionally know it. It is obvious now that your original post wasn't actually seeking the answer to how the link between neo-nazis and the GOP happened, you just wanted to say it is stupid that the link has been made. My bad, I misunderstood your point. You are right it is stupid that people are linking the two and dismissing GOP politicians and conservatives as neo-nazis. It is also stupid that people are out there equivocating on whether or not neo-nazis have a valid point. Its even more stupid that a dude runs a car into a group he disagrees with and the initial reaction by many is well he was probably provoked by professional protestors. Its all stupid but that is just the world we are in right now.

This is odd?

You believe the "Alt Right" was formed because the moderates have distance themselves from the conservative party?

This is the first time I've heard that.

By the way I voted for Rubio as well in the primaries

Like I've stated I am involved in politics on the local level and go to National functions.
The term alt right has never been associated with us so these Publications are making stuff up and I don't give a crap who the publication is.

Now if your point is this is where it came from then I yield to you and sorry for the misunderstanding, but in no way is this term ever used on the conservative platforms, and is considered propaganda by the left.

 

[Telx1]

Sal, your last post is exactly on point, but to be honest, I was somewhat confused as to your thoughts on the alt right connection with conservatives based on some earlier posts. As you say, they basically reject mainstream conservatism. Their view of limited government and White supremacy has nothing to do with mainstream conservatism in this country, but the liberal media wants to make a connection where one doesn't exist. The absence of similar media assertion of a connection between mainstream liberalism and the Occupy movement is typical of the hypocrisy and news and opinion manipulation that passes for mainstream news in this county. While I have been critical of Trump for his failure to initially denounce the alt right groups specifically, he appropriately did so yesterday. That said, I don't recall the mainstream media calling out Obama and other Democrat leaders to denounce the Occupy movement, as the general repudiation of violence and property destruction seemed sufficient for their purposes and reporting. Interesting that DIP you and myself all voted for Rubio, and if elected, we wouldn't be having this discussion because he would have been eloquent and Presidential in denouncing these groups immediately.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

This is odd?

You believe the "Alt Right" was formed because the moderates have distance themselves from the conservative party?

This is the first time I've heard that.

By the way I voted for Rubio as well in the primaries

Like I've stated I am involved in politics on the local level and go to National functions.
The term alt right has never been associated with us so these Publications are making stuff up and I don't give a crap who the publication is.

Now if your point is this is where it came from then I yield to you and sorry for the misunderstanding, but in no way is this term ever used on the conservative platforms, and is considered propaganda by the left.

No, I think I have been clear, I do not believe the Alt-Right and traditional conservatism are inherently linked in ideology. The Alt-Right people however do believe "moderate conservatives" (not even sure what the hell that means b/c everyone is Liberal-moderate to the Alt-right) have distanced themselves from whatever they(the Alt-right) believe true conservative values should be. This is why they brand themselves at the alternative right. They are in their own minds the alternative to "moderate" conservatism which is what they believe the current GOP is.

The problem the Alt-Right poses for the GOP is not that the GOP and the Alt-Right have the same political platforms, it is that the Alt-Right keeps branding itself as "the real GOP" or "what the GOP used to be/should be." The majority of the GOP base can disagree with them, but if the Alt-right keeps controlling the narrative and there isn't enough GOP mainstream condemnation of the Alt-right the risk is that people who are more moderate - left are going to run with the narrative that the GOP is legitimizing the Alt-Right as part of their party by not condemning them. This may be view by a lot of people as some "myth" created to undermine the GOP, but the more people see the Alt-right calling themselves "true conservatives" the more people are going to identify or at the very least associate the two different groups with each other until there is significant push back from the GOP.

That being said it doesn't make it true, but in politics what people perceive to be true is often just as important as the actual truth.

 

[rgc7]

I find it rather ironic that the Democrats are trying to falsely label the Republicans and Conservatives
As racists and supporters of The KKK and and other hate groups.
Just one question in the long history of segregation in the " Solid South " where the KKK was
A major force and burned , beat, tortured, and killed Black People at will :
Which major political party controlled the Solid South ?
I think an honest answer to that question will clearly show which party is and has always be the Political
Party that has throughout its history been the Party of Racism!

 

[SALittleGiant513]

Cool thanks for the contribution. The Alt-right now is an entirely different animal from what you are talking about. Also, the democratic party back then is completely different in profile, geographical base and make-up from what it is now. History books document a huge shift in party politics following the civil rights act in the 60's. Most of those "solid south" dems you referenced flipped red the minute the democratic party started pushing for the civil rights act to be passed.

 

[rgc7]

Cool thanks for the contribution. The Alt-right now is an entirely different animal from what you are talking about. Also, the democratic party back then is completely different in profile, geographical base and make-up from what it is now. History books document a huge shift in party politics following the civil rights act in the 60's. Most of those "solid south" dems you referenced flipped red the minute the democratic party started pushing for the civil rights act to be passed.

 

[deadirishpoet]

No, I think I have been clear, I do not believe the Alt-Right and traditional conservatism are inherently linked in ideology. The Alt-Right people however do believe "moderate conservatives" (not even sure what the hell that means b/c everyone is Liberal-moderate to the Alt-right) have distanced themselves from whatever they(the Alt-right) believe true conservative values should be. This is why they brand themselves at the alternative right. They are in their own minds the alternative to "moderate" conservatism which is what they believe the current GOP is.

The problem the Alt-Right poses for the GOP is not that the GOP and the Alt-Right have the same political platforms, it is that the Alt-Right keeps branding itself as "the real GOP" or "what the GOP used to be/should be." The majority of the GOP base can disagree with them, but if the Alt-right keeps controlling the narrative and there isn't enough GOP mainstream condemnation of the Alt-right the risk is that people who are more moderate - left are going to run with the narrative that the GOP is legitimizing the Alt-Right as part of their party by not condemning them. This may be view by a lot of people as some "myth" created to undermine the GOP, but the more people see the Alt-right calling themselves "true conservatives" the more people are going to identify or at the very least associate the two different groups with each other until there is significant push back from the GOP.

That being said it doesn't make it true, but in politics what people perceive to be true is often just as important as the actual truth.

The alternative to the moderates is the Freedom Caucus who are Constitutional conservative which is the party I caucus with.

There is no confusion about this on conservative platforms. They (the so-called alt right) are pedaling a lie, and any true conservative sees right through this without much thought.
These groups don't even speak the same language is us. They control no narrative so I have no idea what you're talking about there. In regards to the moderate - left I couldn't even give two craps on what they think about any of this.
This is the moderate- left ....look at what's going on in Chicago murders everyday what is the narrative there? Why isn't anyone screaming about that?

I have stayed in earlier posts that conservatives will now erase the Blurred Line that these fringe groups seem to want to hang on, but there is no way NE trouve conservative even tinker with the idea that these groups are in any form conservative but I guess this is what you get when you take Civics out of school.

Now piggybacking off of taking Civics out of school could very well lead uninformed people to a certain idea but at this point this is not a concern to me because the true conservative movement is strong

 

[deadirishpoet]

Cool thanks for the contribution. The Alt-right now is an entirely different animal from what you are talking about. Also, the democratic party back then is completely different in profile, geographical base and make-up from what it is now. History books document a huge shift in party politics following the civil rights act in the 60's. Most of those "solid south" dems you referenced flipped red the minute the democratic party started pushing for the civil rights act to be passed.

Hogwash

Robert Byrd was part of the Democratic Party till 2010

People are leaving the Democratic Party because they are going against the values we were raised on and want a bigger government to run it.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

The only narrative I am reference is how Alt-right define themselves. Where the moderate-left influence comes into play is that if they continue to make the link and not enough distancing is done it could either (1) chill conservative speech as people are less likely to be open about beliefs because they don't want to be perceived as a neo-nazi or (2) could affect voter turnout with moderates shifting more left. The freedom caucus is interesting in all this because where there biggest influence should be bringing a more pragmatic and fiscally conservative approach to the GOP platform, a lot of that gets lost when non-conservatives are dismissive because of their mindset that all conservatives are nazis.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

Hogwash

Robert Byrd was part of the Democratic Party till 2010

One dude. Of course there are problematic people in both parties that do not define the parties but are still accepted by the parties for whatever reason. Denying that the democratic party in the 40's - mid 60's south has little to nothing in common with the democratic party we see today though is bananas. There are maps showing voting shifts where the entire region basically flipped after the passage of the civil rights law. Strom was the torch bearer of the flip... he would still be promoting segration in congress if he were alive today.

 

[rgc7]

Who nominated Chief Justice Earl Warren who led the Supre Court to a 9 To 0 decision in Brown vrs board
Of Education in 1954 ?
Who was the President who made Civil rights a major part of his administration ?
Who was the Prisident who intergrated the city of Washington DC ?
While Truman started to intergrate the military, it was a very slow process, but Eisenhower made it a priority
of his administration to get the job done ,and did it.
Who passed the Civil Rights Act of 1957, the first Civil Rights Act since the Civil War ? While we are on the Civil
War, yes, Lincoln was a Republican !