OT: This is exactly what I'm talking about

[deadirishpoet]

One dude. Of course there are problematic people in both parties that do not define the parties but are still accepted by the parties for whatever reason. Denying that the democratic party in the 40's - mid 60's south has little to nothing in common with the democratic party we see today though is bananas. There are maps showing voting shifts where the entire region basically flipped after the passage of the civil rights law. Strom was the torch bearer of the flip... he would still be promoting segration in congress if he were alive today.

So you believe the South started going conservative because it was giving minority rights?
In essence you're saying that southern raciat came to the conservative party.... the party that fought for blacks, and women to be able to vote because of the passing of civil rights laws?

 

[rgc7]

Who is the Party blocking School Choice , which will finally give Black families the opportunity to send their children to the best possible schools that they can find ?
Why do the Democrats want to force Black Families to keep their children in " Ghetto " schools ?
Who is the President pushing for Rebuilding our inner cities and , thus, creating jobs and better living
Conditions for all minorities ?
Who is the President trying to revitalize manufacturing in the rust belt cities that have large minority
Populations ?
I think the Country will be all much better served , especially minorities, if we all supported our President and his Domestic
And Economic Programs ?
"A Rising Tide Lifts all Boats " was true for JFK , and it it's also true today !

 

[SALittleGiant513]

I am saying the voting maps don't lie and that Southern states flipped in the 60's when the democrats were pushing the Civil Rights Act and other pieces of federal protection laws. In addition many of the politicians coming out of the south in the 60's stated the change in the voting habits was spurred by the attack on states rights the civil rights act and other pieces of legislation posed.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

Who is the Party blocking School Choice , which will finally give Black families the opportunity to send their children to the best possible schools that they can find ?
Why do the Democrats want to force Black Families to keep their children in " Ghetto " schools ?
Who is the President pushing for Rebuilding our inner cities and , thus, creating jobs and better living
Conditions for all minorities ?
Who is the President trying to revitalize manufacturing in the rust belt cities that have large minority
Populations ?
I think the Country will be all much better served , especially minorities, if we all supported our President and his Domestic
And Economic Programs ?
"A Rising Tide Lifts all Boats " was true for JFK , and it it's also true today !

How is any of this relevant to what we are talking about man? We are discussing how/why the Alt-right is being constantly associated with traditional conservatives not whether the mainstream GOP is more or less racists then mainstream dems. I don't even know where to begin with these rhetorical questions posed b/c you are talking about a President that has clear domestic agenda and I have never seen him be clear about any type of agenda.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Who is the Party blocking School Choice , which will finally give Black families the opportunity to send their children to the best possible schools that they can find ?
Why do the Democrats want to force Black Families to keep their children in " Ghetto " schools ?
Who is the President pushing for Rebuilding our inner cities and , thus, creating jobs and better living
Conditions for all minorities ?
Who is the President trying to revitalize manufacturing in the rust belt cities that have large minority
Populations ?
I think the Country will be all much better served , especially minorities, if we all supported our President and his Domestic
And Economic Programs ?
"A Rising Tide Lifts all Boats " was true for JFK , and it it's also true today !

I am saying the voting maps don't lie and that Southern states flipped in the 60's when the democrats were pushing the Civil Rights Act and other pieces of federal protection laws. In addition many of the politicians coming out of the south in the 60's stated the change in the voting habits was spurred by the attack on states rights the civil rights act and other pieces of legislation posed.

Well if they(the racist)thought they are finding some kind of Safe Haven in the conservative party back then I'm sure they found a rude awakening.

 

[rgc7]

I lived a good part of the year in both North and South Carolina starting in the early 1960s, and I was absolutely astonished just how well the Races got along. it was nowhere near the segregated Southt that
I saw when I was stationed there in the early 1950s, Eisenhower was the best Civil Rights President since
Lincoln.
And to give credit where credit is do JFK ,following Eisenhower, continued the fight for Civil Rights!
The South switched to the Republicans because of their Economic policies, not for racial reasons.
As President Clinton said : " It's the economy, Stupid. "

 

[SALittleGiant513]

George Wallace won 4 deep south states as an independent, which have not gone blue since, running on among other platforms race... what are you talking about.

 

[deadirishpoet]

George Wallace won 4 deep south states as an independent, which have not gone blue since, running on among other platforms race... what are you talking about.

What are you talking about?

 

[SALittleGiant513]

Dip--- RGC says the south flipped for economics, that may have been part of it but that wasn't the primary reason... Senators who flipped parties in the 60's stated that the federalism presented by the gov't in the form of the civil rights act was a primary reason for their flip... Yes there are a number of variable which caused the flip, cultural, economic and social dynamics all matter in explaining the flip but to say as RGC is saying that the Dem's of the 50's/60's are the real racists and comparing it to the modern political may is just willful ignorance. All of the 50's/60's dems that RGC is referencing are not profiled out as republican voters, the parties aren't the same so comparing what happened in party politics in the 1800's or even the 1950's to today doesn't make sense.

52 - Deep South is Dem
56 - Deep South is Dem
60 - Deep South is Dem w/exception of Byrd carrying his home state and half of Bama as an independent
64 - Entire Country is Dem except the Deep South which flipped to Rep
68 - George Wallace Carries Deep South as an Independent running on "State's Rights" and advocating allowing states to continue segregation if they choose
72 - Deep South is Rep
76 - Ford flips Deep South back Blue (My bad)
80 - Deep South is Rep
84 - Deep South is Rep
88 - Deep South is Rep...
92 - Deep South is Mixed (Again my bad kinda)
96 - Deep South is Rep
2000 - Deep South is Rep ...

 

[deadirishpoet]

Dip--- RGC says the south flipped for economics, that may have been part of it but that wasn't the primary reason... Senators who flipped parties in the 60's stated that the federalism presented by the gov't in the form of the civil rights act was a primary reason for their flip... Yes there are a number of variable which caused the flip, cultural, economic and social dynamics all matter in explaining the flip but to say as RGC is saying that the Dem's of the 50's/60's are the real racists and comparing it to the modern political may is just willful ignorance. All of the 50's/60's dems that RGC is referencing are not profiled out as republican voters, the parties aren't the same so comparing what happened in party politics in the 1800's or even the 1950's to today doesn't make sense.

52 - Deep South is Dem
56 - Deep South is Dem
60 - Deep South is Dem w/exception of Byrd carrying his home state and half of Bama as an independent
64 - Entire Country is Dem except the Deep South which flipped to Rep
68 - George Wallace Carries Deep South as an Independent running on "State's Rights" and advocating allowing states to continue segregation if they choose
72 - Deep South is Rep
76 - Ford flips Deep South back Blue (My bad)
80 - Deep South is Rep
84 - Deep South is Rep
88 - Deep South is Rep...
92 - Deep South is Mixed (Again my bad kinda)
96 - Deep South is Rep
2000 - Deep South is Rep ...

So they ran to the party that helped black's, and women vote because of Civil Rights Laws?

Does that make any sense to you?

How funny since president Trump has been elected blue state are now running on states rights. Something the Freedom Caucus has been promoting since their conception.

 

[rgc7]

Dip--- RGC says the south flipped for economics, that may have been part of it but that wasn't the primary reason... Senators who flipped parties in the 60's stated that the federalism presented by the gov't in the form of the civil rights act was a primary reason for their flip... Yes there are a number of variable which caused the flip, cultural, economic and social dynamics all matter in explaining the flip but to say as RGC is saying that the Dem's of the 50's/60's are the real racists and comparing it to the modern political may is just willful ignorance. All of the 50's/60's dems that RGC is referencing are not profiled out as republican voters, the parties aren't the same so comparing what happened in party politics in the 1800's or even the 1950's to today doesn't make sense.

52 - Deep South is Dem
56 - Deep South is Dem
60 - Deep South is Dem w/exception of Byrd carrying his home state and half of Bama as an independent
64 - Entire Country is Dem except the Deep South which flipped to Rep
68 - George Wallace Carries Deep South as an Independent running on "State's Rights" and advocating allowing states to continue segregation if they choose
72 - Deep South is Rep
76 - Ford flips Deep South back Blue (My bad)
80 - Deep South is Rep
84 - Deep South is Rep
88 - Deep South is Rep...
92 - Deep South is Mixed (Again my bad kinda)
96 - Deep South is Rep
2000 - Deep South is Rep ...

 

[rgc7]

Let me make this as simple as I can.
1. The Democrates controlled the Solid South and the Solid South was Racist, and Blacks suffered every possible type of persecution.
2. Eisenhower passed the First Civil Rights Act since the Civil War in 1957.
3. The Democrates lost their hold on the Solid South and racial relations have greatly improved under
Republican rule in the Solid South.
4. Since JFK , with few exceptions, The Democrates now have ruled the Solid Noth East, the West Coast,
And just about all the major cities in the Rust belt. The Minorities , mostly Black, still live in big city
" Slums " with bad schools, broken families, high drug use, high crime, high murder rates .
5. One would think that after 60 years of almost unbroken Democratic rule, the lives of all Americans
Especially, Black People, who have been a solid Democratic voting block for all those 60 years,
Would have some of the country's best schools and living conditions ?
6. President Trump succeeded in cutting into that Solid Democratic Black Voting block Just enough
To win a few Solid Blue states and thus the election.
7. The Liberals's greatest nightmare, If Trump's Social and economic agenda succeeds and help
Black people, which it will, the Democrats are finished and Their failed a Liberal politics are
Done. That is why they are trying with every tool they have to destroy our President and overturn
the will of the people who voted for our President.