OT- The Tipping Point Blowing up in Libs Face

[theskibro]

First, it is nice to see most threads not political. Maybe we are turning our attention to football. Finally

So apologies for this political post but in light of the bashing the current President has taken on this board, I give you some things to consider as the Dems backlash strategy seems to be a very bad mistake and is back firing on them

Supreme Court upholds Trump travel ban. Smacks down Appeals Courts who over reached their authority and exercised prejudice instead of constitutional prudence.

Meanwhile leading Dems say it is Obama who may have colluded with Russians as Obama was way to easy on Russia when he knew from FBI that Russia was interfering in election

Also Bernie Sanders wife under investigation by FBI for falsifying donations when she was President of Vermont college

Also the investigation into collusion with Russia by Trump admin taking abrupt turn against Dems as Loretta Lynch being investigated and Senate investigating Obama officials Susan Rice and others for illegal investigations on citizens


As someone would say -- "Huge. Nice"

 

[Bodizephax]

First, it is nice to see most threads not political. Maybe we are turning our attention to football. Finally

So apologies for this political post but in light of the bashing the current President has taken on this board, I give you some things to consider as the Dems backlash strategy seems to be a very bad mistake and is back firing on them

Supreme Court upholds Trump travel ban. Smacks down Appeals Courts who over reached their authority and exercised prejudice instead of constitutional prudence.

Meanwhile leading Dems say it is Obama who may have colluded with Russians as Obama was way to easy on Russia when he knew from FBI that Russia was interfering in election

Also Bernie Sanders wife under investigation by FBI for falsifying donations when she was President of Vermont college

Also the investigation into collusion with Russia by Trump admin taking abrupt turn against Dems as Loretta Lynch being investigated and Senate investigating Obama officials Susan Rice and others for illegal investigations on citizens

Trump is a warrior !! He may become the greatest President ever !!

 

[SeanPol355]

Ah, but Trump will do them all one better. HIs ego demands it.

 

[Pennick44]

Ah, but Trump will do them all one better. HIs ego demands it.

Please keep Pelosi and Schumer in power!
#MAGA

 

[Telx1]

Yep, need to be careful about opening any can of worms in DC, and special investigations like this one under Mueller can have major unintended consequences. However, think this Obama and colluding with Russia angle is just as weak and meritless as all the Dem allegations and fake news about Trump's campaign. It makes perfect sense for Obama to make the judgement that any overt action taken to address Russia meddling would be perceived as interfering and beneficial to Hillary, which he wanted to avoid given their view that she was on her way to a resounding victory. That said, I think the Dems are starting to realize they have overplayed this whole Trump colluding with Russia maelstrom which they created, and they now must walk their walk and stay on point about their concern about Russia meddling, even if the blame game needle leads to Obama. There will be some major face saving ass covering verbal gymnastics before this is over.

I personally think Susan Rice is a talented and very ends justifies the means behind the scenes abuser of power who has trouble with the truth, so I am supportive of any investigation that leads to her and her machinations.

 

[tommika]

First, it is nice to see most threads not political. Maybe we are turning our attention to football. Finally

So apologies for this political post but in light of the bashing the current President has taken on this board, I give you some things to consider as the Dems backlash strategy seems to be a very bad mistake and is back firing on them

Supreme Court upholds Trump travel ban. Smacks down Appeals Courts who over reached their authority and exercised prejudice instead of constitutional prudence.

Meanwhile leading Dems say it is Obama who may have colluded with Russians as Obama was way to easy on Russia when he knew from FBI that Russia was interfering in election

Also Bernie Sanders wife under investigation by FBI for falsifying donations when she was President of Vermont college

Also the investigation into collusion with Russia by Trump admin taking abrupt turn against Dems as Loretta Lynch being investigated and Senate investigating Obama officials Susan Rice and others for illegal investigations on citizens


As someone would say -- "Huge. Nice"

Supreme Court upholds Trump travel ban
FALSE - it upheld 2 minor parts temporarily. Does not apply to those going to school in USA, those who have relatives here, those with job offers here. May hear his appeal in September after his Executive order expires. But to do that he will have to go through the lower courts once again.
Smacks down Appeals Courts who over reached their authority and exercised prejudice instead of constitutional prudence
False,see above.
Meanwhile leading Dems say it is Obama who may have colluded with Russians
FALSE,-- GOP says that,naturally. Dems say he was too timid in calling out interference,his motive ,he says, was to not influence election.
Also Bernie Sanders wife under investigation by FBI for falsifying donations when she was President of Vermont college
She used pledges made during fund raising to secure bank loan for school,unfortunately some pledges were not carried out. Investigation is to determine if she used due process in making sure the pledges were strong enough to count on.
abrupt turn against Dems as Loretta Lynch being investigated
True, it is about her asking Comey to use "matter" instead of "investigation" He stated she did not attempt to dissuade him from continuing his investigation of Hillary. She recused herself and testified that she would accept the recommendation of DOJ prosecutors. Different from Trump asking Comey to quit on Flynn.
Susan Rice and others for illegal investigations on citizens
FALSE- The White House claims that she "unmasked" private citizens illegally.Under the rules that apply to foreign-intelligence-collection, there is a presumption against revealing the names of American citizens. But there are significant loopholes: The names may be "unmasked" to other agencies if intelligence officials determine that knowing the identity of an American is necessary in order to understand and exploit the intelligence value of the information collected. Rice asked that the names be made available to other Intelligence Agencies to see if there was evidence of foreign illegal activity. The GOP is milking the misuse of the word "unmasking" to make it appear that she provided ther names of US citizens to the media.

Sounds like typical spin and deflect for political reasons.

 

[IrishInOntario]

Politicians on both sides are as dirty and corrupt as it gets. It's not a Democrat thing. They're filthy. No more so, however, than their opposition on the other side of the aisle. It's not an America thing either. Wherever there are people with massive amounts of money who would benefit by throwing some of it at people who make political decisions, there will be corruption and bias. It's simply magnified in America because of the amount of power, global reach and global influence y'all wield. Of course it's interesting to follow. I follow it as much as anyone. But I find it foolish to routinely point at the other side of the aisle when you know you're basically doing so with intentional ignorance to your own side. It seems like a pointless endeavour.

 

[benko's army]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...l-806pm:homepage/story&utm_term=.5472e8976b81

 

[irishalice]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/poll-shows-us-tumbling-in-worlds-regard-under-trump/2017/06/26/87a4f1bc-5857-11e7-840b-512026319da7_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_worldpoll-806pm:homepage/story&utm_term=.5472e8976b81

I have adblocker and really not trusting of polls, so I didn't read it but...

When you know the free ride is over and your country is going to have to pay their fair share you might be a little bitter.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Yep, need to be careful about opening any can of worms in DC, and special investigations like this one under Mueller can have major unintended consequences. However, think this Obama and colluding with Russia angle is just as weak and meritless as all the Dem allegations and fake news about Trump's campaign. It makes perfect sense for Obama to make the judgement that any overt action taken to address Russia meddling would be perceived as interfering and beneficial to Hillary, which he wanted to avoid given their view that she was you her way to a resounding victory. That said, I think the Dems are starting to realize they have overplayed this whole Trump colluding with Russia maelstrom which they created, and they now must walk their walk and stay on point about their concern about Russia meddling, even if the blame game needle leads to Obama. There will be some major face saving ass covering verbal gymnastics before this is over.

I personally think Susan Rice is a talented and very ends justifies the means behind the scenes abuser of power who has trouble with the truth, so I am supportive of any investigation that leads to her and her machinations.

I'm not sure I understand how you believe he wanted to show being impartial to Hillary Clinton when he openly campaigned for her.
The first president that I can remember taking away from his duties at the White House and go out and campaigned openly for his successor.
President Obama was about ad transparent as glass
And isn't it convenient that everything regarding Susan Rice is now in Obama's library and can only be acquired through subpoena by a special investigator
Like I said about as transparent as glass

 

[Pennick44]

Supreme Court upholds Trump travel ban
FALSE - it upheld 2 minor parts temporarily. Does not apply to those going to school in USA, those who have relatives here, those with job offers here. May hear his appeal in September after his Executive order expires. But to do that he will have to go through the lower courts once again.
Smacks down Appeals Courts who over reached their authority and exercised prejudice instead of constitutional prudence
False,see above.
Meanwhile leading Dems say it is Obama who may have colluded with Russians
FALSE,-- GOP says that,naturally. Dems say he was too timid in calling out interference,his motive ,he says, was to not influence election.
Also Bernie Sanders wife under investigation by FBI for falsifying donations when she was President of Vermont college
She used pledges made during fund raising to secure bank loan for school,unfortunately some pledges were not carried out. Investigation is to determine if she used due process in making sure the pledges were strong enough to count on.
abrupt turn against Dems as Loretta Lynch being investigated
True, it is about her asking Comey to use "matter" instead of "investigation" He stated she did not attempt to dissuade him from continuing his investigation of Hillary. She recused herself and testified that she would accept the recommendation of DOJ prosecutors. Different from Trump asking Comey to quit on Flynn.
Susan Rice and others for illegal investigations on citizens
FALSE- The White House claims that she "unmasked" private citizens illegally.Under the rules that apply to foreign-intelligence-collection, there is a presumption against revealing the names of American citizens. But there are significant loopholes: The names may be "unmasked" to other agencies if intelligence officials determine that knowing the identity of an American is necessary in order to understand and exploit the intelligence value of the information collected. Rice asked that the names be made available to other Intelligence Agencies to see if there was evidence of foreign illegal activity. The GOP is milking the misuse of the word "unmasking" to make it appear that she provided ther names of US citizens to the media.

Sounds like typical spin and deflect for political reasons.

Nice of Nancy Pelosi to chime in with her clueless opinions.
#MAGA

 

[deadirishpoet]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/poll-shows-us-tumbling-in-worlds-regard-under-trump/2017/06/26/87a4f1bc-5857-11e7-840b-512026319da7_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_worldpoll-806pm:homepage/story&utm_term=.5472e8976b81

Like I give a crap what the freeloading world thinks of President Trump.
So he's not out there apologizing and bowing and handing over taxpayers money like it's Halloween candy. President Obama pacified the world with bullshit and lies but did nothing to strengthen this country

President Obama was weak . He could have drew red lines all the way to the end of his presidency and each and every one of them would have been crossed without consequences
President Obama was the definition of paper tiger.

 

[Irish Duck]

With all due respect, will all those on the Far Right and the Far Left just Shut the F*** Up!. Obama may have been bad but, guess what, he's not in the WH anymore. Clinton might have been corrupt but, guess what, she didn't win and isn't in the WH. Both Obama and Clinton are irrelevant right now. Bernie might be relevant at the mid-terms and in 2020 but he really isn't relevant now. All that matters right now is that we have a president who would rather bitch about his opponents, real and imagined, than to do his job. We have a president who believes that the best way to communicate with the American public is in series of 144 characters rather than actually speaking to the American public. I'm not talking about him giving speeches at political rallies or giving softball interviews to Fox. How about doing a town hall meeting and actually talking to the American public? OK, I know that isn't going to happen but I guy can dream.

As to whether there was collusion and/or obstruction by the WH, let's hope that the special investigation resolves those issues and sooner rather than later. It isn't a witch hunt and no one on this Board know whether or not there is any evidence of collusion or obstruction. Rather then repeating tweets that we've seen suggesting that there is no evidence, why don't we act like grown ups and wait for the special prosecutor to reach whatever conclusion he will. I am prepared to accept whatever his conclusion is. Remember, however, that if he finds collusion and/or obstruction, it will be up to the DOJ to determine whether or not to prosecute and up to Congress to determine whether or not to impeach. We have a long way to go and way to little information to form any opinions. I do wish, however, that 45 would just shut up about the investigation and do his job.

 

[deadirishpoet]

With all due respect, will all those on the Far Right and the Far Left just Shut the F*** Up!. Obama may have been bad but, guess what, he's not in the WH anymore. Clinton might have been corrupt but, guess what, she didn't win and isn't in the WH. Both Obama and Clinton are irrelevant right now. Bernie might be relevant at the mid-terms and in 2020 but he really isn't relevant now. All that matters right now is that we have a president who would rather bitch about his opponents, real and imagined, than to do his job. We have a president who believes that the best way to communicate with the American public is in series of 144 characters rather than actually speaking to the American public. I'm not talking about him giving speeches at political rallies or giving softball interviews to Fox. How about doing a town hall meeting and actually talking to the American public? OK, I know that isn't going to happen but I guy can dream.

As to whether there was collusion and/or obstruction by the WH, let's hope that the special investigation resolves those issues and sooner rather than later. It isn't a witch hunt and no one on this Board know whether or not there is any evidence of collusion or obstruction. Rather then repeating tweets that we've seen suggesting that there is no evidence, why don't we act like grown ups and wait for the special prosecutor to reach whatever conclusion he will. I am prepared to accept whatever his conclusion is. Remember, however, that if he finds collusion and/or obstruction, it will be up to the DOJ to determine whether or not to prosecute and up to Congress to determine whether or not to impeach. We have a long way to go and way to little information to form any opinions. I do wish, however, that 45 would just shut up about the investigation and do his job.

I agree about the tweets but justice has yet to be served on the Obama presidency.

 

[Telx1]

I'm not sure I understand how you believe he wanted to show being impartial to Hillary Clinton when he openly campaigned for her.
The first president that I can remember taking away from his duties at the White House and go out and campaigned openly for his successor.
President Obama was about ad transparent as glass
And isn't it convenient that everything regarding Susan Rice is now in Obama's library and can only be acquired through subpoena by a special investigator
Like I said about as transparent as glass

DIP... I think Obama made the calculus that taking public action against Russia for interfering in our election in ways that were intended to hurt Hillary and help Trump, was unnecessary because they believed Hillary had the election in the bag. Campaigning for her is one thing, taking Presidential action against another country for tampering with our elections is quite a different matter, and Obama made the calculation that doing so was unnecessary, and ran the risk of appearing to allow his support for her to influence his Presidential decision-making. As for his public campaigning for her, I hate that Obama broke yet another time honored tradition. Staying in Washington and trying to influence the opposition to Trump is yet another.

 

[benko's army]

With all due respect, will all those on the Far Right and the Far Left just Shut the F*** Up!. Obama may have been bad but, guess what, he's not in the WH anymore. Clinton might have been corrupt but, guess what, she didn't win and isn't in the WH. Both Obama and Clinton are irrelevant right now. Bernie might be relevant at the mid-terms and in 2020 but he really isn't relevant now. All that matters right now is that we have a president who would rather bitch about his opponents, real and imagined, than to do his job. We have a president who believes that the best way to communicate with the American public is in series of 144 characters rather than actually speaking to the American public. I'm not talking about him giving speeches at political rallies or giving softball interviews to Fox. How about doing a town hall meeting and actually talking to the American public? OK, I know that isn't going to happen but I guy can dream.

As to whether there was collusion and/or obstruction by the WH, let's hope that the special investigation resolves those issues and sooner rather than later. It isn't a witch hunt and no one on this Board know whether or not there is any evidence of collusion or obstruction. Rather then repeating tweets that we've seen suggesting that there is no evidence, why don't we act like grown ups and wait for the special prosecutor to reach whatever conclusion he will. I am prepared to accept whatever his conclusion is. Remember, however, that if he finds collusion and/or obstruction, it will be up to the DOJ to determine whether or not to prosecute and up to Congress to determine whether or not to impeach. We have a long way to go and way to little information to form any opinions. I do wish, however, that 45 would just shut up about the investigation and do his job.

 

[deadirishpoet]

DIP... I think Obama made the calculus that taking public action against Russia for interfering in our election in ways that were intended to hurt Hillary and help Trump, was unnecessary because they believed Hillary had the election in the bag. Campaigning for her is one thing, taking Presidential action against another country for tampering with our elections is quite a different matter, and Obama made the calculation that doing so was unnecessary, and ran the risk of appearing to allow his support for her to influence his Presidential decision-making. As for his public campaigning for her, I hate that Obama broke yet another time honored tradition. Staying in Washington and trying to influence the opposition to Trump is yet another.

President Obama is very calculated.
He was calculated in the Affordable Care Act in the fictions about the way he presented it
He was calculated in blaming a video for the attacks at Benghazi
He was calculated in the back room deals with Iran.
He was calculated making the talk-show circuit about how the people need to not be afraid of the government yet he spied on them.
He was calculated in his attempts to influence the Israeli elections colluding with the opposition
He was calculated during an off mic comment to the Russians.
He was calculated in stirring up opposition to law enforcement
He was calculated going on the world stage and apologizing for America to appease those who are envious
He was measured in mostly all things he did except for those who called his bluff. And it was they who took advantage of him

 

[deadirishpoet]

With all due respect, will all those on the Far Right and the Far Left just Shut the F*** Up!. Obama may have been bad but, guess what, he's not in the WH anymore. Clinton might have been corrupt but, guess what, she didn't win and isn't in the WH. Both Obama and Clinton are irrelevant right now. Bernie might be relevant at the mid-terms and in 2020 but he really isn't relevant now. All that matters right now is that we have a president who would rather bitch about his opponents, real and imagined, than to do his job. We have a president who believes that the best way to communicate with the American public is in series of 144 characters rather than actually speaking to the American public. I'm not talking about him giving speeches at political rallies or giving softball interviews to Fox. How about doing a town hall meeting and actually talking to the American public? OK, I know that isn't going to happen but I guy can dream.

As to whether there was collusion and/or obstruction by the WH, let's hope that the special investigation resolves those issues and sooner rather than later. It isn't a witch hunt and no one on this Board know whether or not there is any evidence of collusion or obstruction. Rather then repeating tweets that we've seen suggesting that there is no evidence, why don't we act like grown ups and wait for the special prosecutor to reach whatever conclusion he will. I am prepared to accept whatever his conclusion is. Remember, however, that if he finds collusion and/or obstruction, it will be up to the DOJ to determine whether or not to prosecute and up to Congress to determine whether or not to impeach. We have a long way to go and way to little information to form any opinions. I do wish, however, that 45 would just shut up about the investigation and do his job.

This is most amusing
You bring up Obama you bring up Hillary and you bring up Sanders yet you can't mention the name Trump instead refer to him as 45.
How telling

 

[Pennick44]

With all due respect, will all those on the Far Right and the Far Left just Shut the F*** Up!. Obama may have been bad but, guess what, he's not in the WH anymore. Clinton might have been corrupt but, guess what, she didn't win and isn't in the WH. Both Obama and Clinton are irrelevant right now. Bernie might be relevant at the mid-terms and in 2020 but he really isn't relevant now. All that matters right now is that we have a president who would rather bitch about his opponents, real and imagined, than to do his job. We have a president who believes that the best way to communicate with the American public is in series of 144 characters rather than actually speaking to the American public. I'm not talking about him giving speeches at political rallies or giving softball interviews to Fox. How about doing a town hall meeting and actually talking to the American public? OK, I know that isn't going to happen but I guy can dream.

As to whether there was collusion and/or obstruction by the WH, let's hope that the special investigation resolves those issues and sooner rather than later. It isn't a witch hunt and no one on this Board know whether or not there is any evidence of collusion or obstruction. Rather then repeating tweets that we've seen suggesting that there is no evidence, why don't we act like grown ups and wait for the special prosecutor to reach whatever conclusion he will. I am prepared to accept whatever his conclusion is. Remember, however, that if he finds collusion and/or obstruction, it will be up to the DOJ to determine whether or not to prosecute and up to Congress to determine whether or not to impeach. We have a long way to go and way to little information to form any opinions. I do wish, however, that 45 would just shut up about the investigation and do his job.

Bernie maybe locked up in 2020
Trump has done more in his time in office than Barry O did in his lifetime. Pipeline, Supreme Court nominee..., regaining respect for US.
Thanks for the chuckles!
#MAGA

 

[Irish Duck]

This is most amusing
You bring up Obama you bring up Hillary and you bring up Sanders yet you can't mention the name Trump instead refer to him as 45.
How telling

I intentionally don't mention 45's name because of the guy's ego. There is software that keeps track of how often his name is mentioned in various social media and I won't feed his ego. I'm not as concerned about Obama or Hillary because, as I've said before, they are irrelevant now. Neither will run again (although I wish Obama would) so why are we still talking about them?

 

[echowaker]

First, it is nice to see most threads not political. Maybe we are turning our attention to football. Finally

So apologies for this political post but in light of the bashing the current President has taken on this board, I give you some things to consider as the Dems backlash strategy seems to be a very bad mistake and is back firing on them

Supreme Court upholds Trump travel ban. Smacks down Appeals Courts who over reached their authority and exercised prejudice instead of constitutional prudence.

Meanwhile leading Dems say it is Obama who may have colluded with Russians as Obama was way to easy on Russia when he knew from FBI that Russia was interfering in election

Also Bernie Sanders wife under investigation by FBI for falsifying donations when she was President of Vermont college

Also the investigation into collusion with Russia by Trump admin taking abrupt turn against Dems as Loretta Lynch being investigated and Senate investigating Obama officials Susan Rice and others for illegal investigations on citizens


As someone would say -- "Huge. Nice"

Thought our president said the whole Russian thing was a hoax ? Republican party too busy trying to kill off folks in nursing homes anyway.

 

[echowaker]

Like I give a crap what the freeloading world thinks of President Trump.
So he's not out there apologizing and bowing and handing over taxpayers money like it's Halloween candy. President Obama pacified the world with bullshit and lies but did nothing to strengthen this country

President Obama was weak . He could have drew red lines all the way to the end of his presidency and each and every one of them would have been crossed without consequences
President Obama was the definition of paper tiger.

The current administration is the most clandestine in American history.

 

[deadirishpoet]

I intentionally don't mention 45's name because of the guy's ego. There is software that keeps track of how often his name is mentioned in various social media and I won't feed his ego. I'm not as concerned about Obama or Hillary because, as I've said before, they are irrelevant now. Neither will run again (although I wish Obama would) so why are we still talking about them?

You wish Obama could run again for president?

And you want to complain about the Russian?

You obviously haven't been paying attention to what's happened during his administration

 

[echowaker]

Bernie maybe locked up in 2020
Trump has done more in his time in office than Barry O did in his lifetime. Pipeline, Supreme Court nominee..., regaining respect for US.
Thanks for the chuckles!
#MAGA

Respect where ? The only thing missing on this guy is the face paint, big red shoes and a wig worse than his own hair if possible.

 

[deadirishpoet]

The current administration is the most clandestine in American history.

I call bullshit

 

[deadirishpoet]

Thought our president said the whole Russian thing was a hoax ? Republican party too busy trying to kill off folks in nursing homes anyway.

And more bullshit.
President Trump should just let the whole Affordable Care Act fall on its face

 

[benko's army]

And more bullshit.
President Trump should just let the whole Affordable Care Act fall on its face

Or actually improve it, which would be great. The bill in the Senate will cost 23 million people their insurance. It will decimate Medicaid. It will hike costs and remove protections for many, per the CBO. But hey, the rich will get a nice tax cut.

The irony is that the poor and working class, those affected by these Medicaid cuts, voted for Trump by big margins. Joke is on them, I guess.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Or actually improve it, which would be great. The bill in the Senate will cost 23 million people their insurance. It will decimate Medicaid. It will hike costs and remove protections for many, per the CBO. But hey, the rich will get a nice tax cut.

The irony is that the poor and working class, those affected by these Medicaid cuts, voted for Trump by big margins. Joke is on them, I guess.

The joke isn't on President Trump who is attempting to fix this shipwreck the joke is on the Democrats and the president who pushed this fabricated Theory

This is what you get when you rush a bill through thank you Democrats thank you president Obama.

Let's be clear though as I've stated Pleasant Obama's is very calculated and he was trying to move this country into a single payer system as part of his fog clouded Utopia

The reason the Democratic party has lost so many seats is because they forced the ACA
The Republicans are trying to fix it without disrupting they're voting base.

 

[benko's army]

This is what you get when you rush a bill through thank you Democrats thank you president Obama.

False. The ACA was under consideration for more than a year. There were full hearings in the House and Senate, before multiple committees.

The current bill was rushed through, with Republicans only releasing the current (Senate) version days ago. And they would have voted on it in the same hurry, but didn't have the votes.

There are issues with ACA that can be improved, but the Republican replacement is far worse, per the CBO. To the detriment of the poor, who voted heavily for Trump in many states. But again, at least the rich will get a tax cut.

 

[Pennick44]

Or actually improve it, which would be great. The bill in the Senate will cost 23 million people their insurance. It will decimate Medicaid. It will hike costs and remove protections for many, per the CBO. But hey, the rich will get a nice tax cut.

The irony is that the poor and working class, those affected by these Medicaid cuts, voted for Trump by big margins. Joke is on them, I guess.

Nice of Bernie Sanders to reply. Government Healthcare and free education for all!
#MAGA.

 

[deadirishpoet]

False. The ACA was under consideration for more than a year. There were full hearings in the House and Senate, before multiple committees.

The current bill was rushed through, with Republicans only releasing the current (Senate) version days ago. And they would have voted on it in the same hurry, but didn't have the votes.

There are issues with ACA that can be improved, but the Republican replacement is far worse, per the CBO. To the detriment of the poor, who voted heavily for Trump in many states. But again, at least the rich will get a tax cut.

Under consideration for a year huh to wreck a sixth of the economy and that's not rushing it?

It was doomed to failure from the beginning the majority who passed it are now out of Congress.

I agree the Republicans are trying to rush something which they don't need to.
They just need to let the ACA burn.

By the way wasn't it nice of the Democrats to also add in that bill that they don't get the same health care they're trying to shove down our throats
There is absolutely no way to give every single person the same Health Care.
This is a problem the Obama Administration created.
let it hang around his neck

 

[TDIrish27]

In the days before the election BO and Spouse campaigned in North Carolina , Pennsylvania and Michigan urging Dems to uphold his legacy.

Lost all 3.

There's a message in there somewhere.

 

[Telx1]

Or actually improve it, which would be great. The bill in the Senate will cost 23 million people their insurance. It will decimate Medicaid. It will hike costs and remove protections for many, per the CBO. But hey, the rich will get a nice tax cut.

The irony is that the poor and working class, those affected by these Medicaid cuts, voted for Trump by big margins. Joke is on them, I guess.

Of this ten year estimate of 23 million, how many represent people who choose not to have insurance? Serious question!

 

[SeanPol355]

I call bullshit

Yep, this administration is all BS.

 

[SeanPol355]

Of this ten year estimate of 23 million, how many represent people who choose not to have insurance? Serious question!

Perhaps a better question is how many of those 23 million desperately want health care that will now be denied?

 

[bizzybecknd]

Perhaps a better question is how many of those 23 million desperately want health care that will now be denied?

Perhaps 23 million people shouldn't depend on their government for anything. The government isn't there to create jobs or provide charity. Personal accountability, none of this is the governments role or responsibility.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Yep, this administration is all BS.

Well Obama is out of office now so it's going to be better

 

[TOMMY_23]

First, it is nice to see most threads not political. Maybe we are turning our attention to football. Finally

So apologies for this political post but in light of the bashing the current President has taken on this board, I give you some things to consider as the Dems backlash strategy seems to be a very bad mistake and is back firing on them

Supreme Court upholds Trump travel ban. Smacks down Appeals Courts who over reached their authority and exercised prejudice instead of constitutional prudence.

Meanwhile leading Dems say it is Obama who may have colluded with Russians as Obama was way to easy on Russia when he knew from FBI that Russia was interfering in election

Also Bernie Sanders wife under investigation by FBI for falsifying donations when she was President of Vermont college

Also the investigation into collusion with Russia by Trump admin taking abrupt turn against Dems as Loretta Lynch being investigated and Senate investigating Obama officials Susan Rice and others for illegal investigations on citizens


As someone would say -- "Huge. Nice"

Never apologize. Libtards are horrible people. They wish death on anyone that disagrees with them.

God bless Trump!

 

[TOMMY_23]

Supreme Court upholds Trump travel ban
FALSE - it upheld 2 minor parts temporarily. Does not apply to those going to school in USA, those who have relatives here, those with job offers here. May hear his appeal in September after his Executive order expires. But to do that he will have to go through the lower courts once again.
Smacks down Appeals Courts who over reached their authority and exercised prejudice instead of constitutional prudence
False,see above.
Meanwhile leading Dems say it is Obama who may have colluded with Russians
FALSE,-- GOP says that,naturally. Dems say he was too timid in calling out interference,his motive ,he says, was to not influence election.
Also Bernie Sanders wife under investigation by FBI for falsifying donations when she was President of Vermont college
She used pledges made during fund raising to secure bank loan for school,unfortunately some pledges were not carried out. Investigation is to determine if she used due process in making sure the pledges were strong enough to count on.
abrupt turn against Dems as Loretta Lynch being investigated
True, it is about her asking Comey to use "matter" instead of "investigation" He stated she did not attempt to dissuade him from continuing his investigation of Hillary. She recused herself and testified that she would accept the recommendation of DOJ prosecutors. Different from Trump asking Comey to quit on Flynn.
Susan Rice and others for illegal investigations on citizens
FALSE- The White House claims that she "unmasked" private citizens illegally.Under the rules that apply to foreign-intelligence-collection, there is a presumption against revealing the names of American citizens. But there are significant loopholes: The names may be "unmasked" to other agencies if intelligence officials determine that knowing the identity of an American is necessary in order to understand and exploit the intelligence value of the information collected. Rice asked that the names be made available to other Intelligence Agencies to see if there was evidence of foreign illegal activity. The GOP is milking the misuse of the word "unmasking" to make it appear that she provided ther names of US citizens to the media.

Sounds like typical spin and deflect for political reasons.

You're the one spinning. You conveniently left out how big of a hypocrite Bernie looks like. The school his wife was leading was a complete failure. But she left with a huge chunk of money. Typical libtards. Do-nothings that walk away rich. Just like the Yahoo CEO.

BTW, if you want the refugees from terrorist hot spots why don't you offer to take them in to your home?

 

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Perhaps 23 million people shouldn't depend on their government for anything. The government isn't there to create jobs or provide charity. Personal accountability, none of this is the governments role or responsibility.

Speaking about responsibility, what happened to The Dunce's promise for a better health plan covering more people at lower cost. Mitch can't deliver either.