Hey man serious question... was Grier really that critical or have there been other offensive injuries that I just didn't notice? The gator D is salty but the offense looks Muschamp is still there.
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The Big 10 blows. It has had two good years after two decades of squalor. No thanks.
Not invited? We don't want the invitation. Remember? The Big 10 invited ND before. We said no.
Was that in 1999? Before Davie, Willingham, Oleary, and Weis turned you irrelevant
Ferentz has demonstrated that he knows how to defend the option (Georgia Tech 2009), but Navy is unique on offense and I wouldn't assume that a good run to defense will automatically be just as good against an option offense like Navy's.
Yep, we are so irrelevant that you are here. Man are you dumb.
Trick question? Grier got one year for a banned substance, and I think our offense looks worse than last year right now. That said, we are 10-1 and I am not convinced this is the best Treon Harris can do. Tre has a breakout game this weekend and we beat the noles handily 31-17!
Well, they didn't say style points matter. When Jeff Long was interviewed tonight, he clearly said that it wasn't a problem with Notre Dame. It was that the other schools, i.e. Oklahoma, had improved their resumes.
Kirk Herbstreit made this point. People have to get rid of this old notion from the AP/Coaches' poll. Back then, if you were ranked in a slot (say #4), you basically stayed at that slot until you lost. That's simply not how the committee works. Your position is up in the air every week. The reason for that is because they only consider what happened until that point. That's important. Oklahoma now has wins over two Top-20 teams. (Currently ranked teams, not teams that were ranked but dropped out). Same for Michigan St. Those schools didn't have those wins two weeks ago. By contrast, Notre Dame played Wake Forest and Boston College. Two weeks ago, Notre Dame didn't have those two weaker teams on their schedule, so their resume was better. Next week, Stanford comes on, so that will boost the resume. By contrast, Michigan St will have Penn St, so that combination might weaken Michigan St in comparison and result in Notre Dame leapfrogging them, even if both win.
Thanks I was just curious and had seen a couple of your games before Grier got suspended but have only seen highlights/lowlights the last few weeks and was wondering if there was something more to the equation
While Notre Dame clearly would have a "tie breaker" if even with OU in all other metrics given the Texas game, that is clearly not the case and the comment about Notre Dame having a tougher schedule was incorrect. Although the opponents' W-L percentages are very close (about 54%), Notre Dame has played six weak teams thanks to the ACC (losing records) and OU 3 if KState wins out. OU admittedly lost to one of the dog teams. But comparing Navy and Temple to TCU and Baylor is a reach. Probably won't mean much in the end. OU still has to win in Stillwater and you guys face a tough Stanford team. And TCU lost its perch in the playoffs last year after winning its last game by 52. Ain't college football great?
Iowa still has a big 10 title game and perhaps Nebraska can pull out a miracle. OU has Ok St. Lots can happen yet. Bottom line, ND got what it deserved. You can't keep playing shitty football against inferior opponents and expect to be rewarded. Even if you win. This is not the NFL where a W is a W. I think you'd have to be insane to think ND, with how its been playing and the injuries, would be able to win two games against the top 4 currently.
But everyone seems to forget.. ND plays Stanford this weekend. Lose that game and this whole argument is for nothing. ND must win that game first.
But everyone seems to forget.. ND plays Stanford this weekend. Lose that game and this whole argument is for nothing. ND must win that game first.
I didn't see OU being #3
Iowa had to fill the Big 10 whole. God forbid the Big 10 being out of the dance
Considering Navy is undefeated against Oklahoma I would think you would be a little more respectful
Shakes ... Good to see you over here carrying the NU/Big Ten banner. I had no doubt you would be warmly welcomed by SMCND78. This is the guy/gal that "humbly" offered his/her services to be the board monitor. Seriously. I still laugh at the thought of him/her seeing themselves as humble. Unfortunately for ND, the years of Davie et. al, put them in a horrible position. They couldn't join the Big Ten. Their record against Michigan and MSU was a clear sign that membership would have put an end to their historical quest for national championships. So they hedged their bets for bowls by their ACC arrangement. Lots of good that has done them. It's a tough spot to be in. They essentially have to go undefeated to be in the national championship hunt. Or pray that the process expands to 8 teams. Somehow, I don't see the Power 5 voting for that. Or maybe join the BIG 12. But again, that presents the same SOS problems as the ACC and the sameregional identity problems as a BIG Ten affiliation. ND has paid a heavy price for maintaining its football independence. Good for them if that is their highest priority.
Bottom line is you've played one really good team and MSUs top 3 wins are all better than your best win.
So every board I go to is relevant. I was on an Illinois board early and a Purdue board a few weeks ago. Please let them know they're relevant.
You're right, I'm wrong. I thought you were totally relevant when I was celebrating our overtime victory last season.
Anything can happen in college football as we all know. Maybe our defense would struggle against it. Maybe they'd be particularly good. Our DC, Mike Hankwitz, has seen it all over the years. He's got a film library in his head that would rival any university in the country's collection.
Would be an interesting matchup to see NU Navy in a bowl game. They're ahead of us by 1-2 spots in all the polls so most people that are giving an honest subjective opinion rather than message board fun think that we're pretty close. I like our chances though. We're a smart disciplined team and that's what you need to stop an option. We also have absolutely elite CBs that would allow the defense to stuff the box. The game can't happen though due to bowl/conference contracts.
on a neutral field iowa would be an underdog to every other top 10 team. the exposure is coming. their division of the big ten is just awful. right up there with the SEC east.
Did not happen. Total fabrication.
Another fabrication is the claim that ND "couldn't join the Big 10." The Big 10 would take ND tomorrow. Thank God ND told the Big 10 to F off.
Um, you played Purdue a few weeks ago and play Illinois this weekend. You don't play ND this year, yet you're here. Do you need to have the distinction spelled out for you?
A Michigan fan talking up the accomplishments of Ohio State.
You are literally the saddest conference honk I have ever seen.
I corrected myself. You missed this quote: "You're right, I'm wrong. I thought you were totally relevant when I was celebrating our overtime victory last season." It's pretty cool to own a relevant team on the road. Notre Dame hasn't beaten Northwestern in the last 20 years. Awesome.
Cool story. Nu won the two games they played in those 20 years. ND won 14 in a row prior to that win and leads the series 37-9.
I hope you're happy with your 10 win ceiling (where you usually can't win more than 8 and pad your wins with crappy OOC schedules).
Must be fun being a Northwestern fan.
Finally ... NDSMC78 has an honest, sober moment free from the burden of his/her delusions. Yes NDSMC78 ... membership in the BIG ten would be a fate worse than death for ND. For the past 20 years, it has tried to compete with its geographic brethren, and it has been a colossal failure. Just a .375 winning percentage against Big Ten teams not named Purdue. Just a .500 winning percentage with the Boilers included. That's a 60 game sample size over a period of 20 years. And you think the very bright people in the ND administration wanted any part of jumping into that boat? No ... they decided that one leg in the ACC boat was best. And now they are seeing that half-in ... half-out ACC conference approach biting them in the backside. It's a tough position to be in. The odds of a 1 loss ND team making a 4 team playoff are not good. The conference champions with the benefit of a championship game have the decided advantage. That's how it is playing out now and for the foreseeable future. I like ND's resume at least as much as Oklahoma's. How the Sooners got so many style points for their win over TCU is a head scratcher. But there is no way the Committee is going to say no to the BIg 12 2 years running.
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If ND finish 11-1 then ND will still hope to be back to # 4. If Iowa is 12-0 and MSU is 11-1 then both will play for Big Champion? ND may be stuck if MSU beat Iowa.
I'm sure it is. We all know that beating us last season was the biggest thing to happen to your nice little program since 1995. I suppose you have to look at these little successes since they happen to your nice little program so infrequently. Good for you. Given that the game occurred a year ago against a team you don't even play this year, I can only assume that your continued presence on this board is evidence of the preoccupation of Northwestern fans with all things ND. I'm sure you even stay awake at night reliving last year's win. Glad we can make you and your nice little program feel good about yourselves.
Exactly. The OP conveniently uses a time frame that suits his agenda and implies that ND and Northwestern play regularly. I can play that game, too---how about that last 45 years? ND is 10-2 against the Wildcats. The last twenty years---yeah that's only two games. Of course, we all know that those two wins are the biggest things to ever happen to their nice little program.
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disagree and agree. nd's body of work is solid. sparty has done well too. however let's not overlook a fluke victory along with a fluke defeat. sparty i think is deserving of their ranking, if anything i'd have them over OU and pretender iowa. i'd have nd over those two also.
Talk about living in the past. You're talking about games that were played in 1965. Congratulations, you won that one... and back to back National Championships in 1929 and 1930. That was a great season, I think, I didn't watch any games, I was busy not being born yet.
The biggest thing to happen to our program has a lot to do with the Irish.... It's an Irish kid from the south side of Chicago named Pat Fitzgerald. #2 is the entirety of the 1995 season which involved kicking your ass. #3 is beating Mississippi State in the Gator Bowl which broke the bowl losing streak.
I fully admit, you guys were the better program before 1995. Now you can't beat us. You can make an excuses you want, but if you can't determine who's better on the field, how can you do it?
Shakes, you're knocking me for living in the past while you're crediting NU for winning a game in 1994. ND won in 91, 92, and 93. That's 3 of 5 using the same time frame you are? Happy?
Uh .... typical NU fans aren't even preoccupied with NU football ... let alone all things ND. Two materially different programs. One is the little train that ocassionally beats the odds and does more with less. In the process it never waivers from its student athlete approach to the game. The other is the big train that more often than not does less with more. And in the same process too often does lip service to the ideal of true student athletes competing at the highest level. That's what open admissions standards for ND football recruits, regardless of fit, does.
Shakes and I are not your typical NU fans. We have significant family connections to ND. Thus the understandabe interest in all things ND. A great place with a lot of great people doing great things that have nothing to do with football or the juvenile antics of some ND message board posters acting like SEC fans here.
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Uh .... typical NU fans aren't even preoccupied with NU football ... let alone all things ND. Two materially different programs. One is the little train that ocassionally beats the odds and does more with less. In the process it never waivers from its student athlete approach to the game. The other is the big train that more often than not does less with more. And in the same process too often does lip service to the ideal of true student athletes competing at the highest level. That's what open admissions standards for ND football recruits, regardless of fit, does.
Shakes and I are not your typical NU fans. We have significant family connections to ND. Thus the understandabe interest in all things ND. A great place with a lot of great people doing great things that have nothing to do with football or the juvenile antics of some ND message board posters acting like SEC fans here.
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Nah, we all know that the two biggest things to happen you your nice little program was beating ND in 1995 and 2014. Beating Mississippi State may be #3 but it ranks as a distant third.
Can't beat you? Based on two games over a span of twenty years? Seriously? Wow, are you desperate. But whatever makes you sleep better at night, I suppose.
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