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Notre Dame Football is reported to be focusing on Utah’s Andy Ludwig for offensive coordinator

Yup, sure do.



[Here lie, like a murder of dead crows, lots of dead darlings, in the form of clever responses to your long post, clever responses that warmed my egocentric little scribbler's heart...]


Fair enough. I do think Swarbrick worked hard to keep Rees, and he did state that his first priority was to do so. But not because it was more important than hiring Freeman, but because he was closer to losing him to Kelly. Now, I feel sure that that behind the scenes Freeman worked just as hard to keep Rees, and made it clear both to Swarbrick and Rees that he wanted him.

Perhaps that's where we differ. I'll go so far as to say that Freeman wanting to keep Rees made it easier for Swarbrick to offer him the HC position, but if Freeman had had some other reasonable alternative in mind, I feel sure that Swarbrick would have entertained it. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if they kicked a lot of possibilities around during the interview.

Now, many people repeat this notion as fact (you haven't done that here, since you buried an "it wouldn't surprise me that" in there earlier on). Repeat it to the point that it is a "commonplace" notion, and a notion "lacking in freshness or originality" — hackneyed, in other words. Meaning, it is a commonplace and hackneyed notion, or a bromide. So I stand behind my word choice.
Right, you don't want to think about it that way, because it makes ND look bad. Everyone, Swarbrick, Rees, MF, the whole lot of them. Swarbrick looks like he lusts after something as shallow and vain and gross as favoring alums principally for their alum status, which makes him look elitist and effete, and really that he doesn't even care about winning, and winning and putting your best foot forward as a program that purportedly strives to win titles is in truth a secondary consideration for him. Important of course, and desirable, but ultimately subordinate to other priorities. So that's not good.... TR looks bad because it implies the real reason he's keeping such a plum job is not his undeniable coaching chops, but again, because of his bloodlines, in effect. Which, to repeat, in unamerican and effete. And MF looks like shit because even though traditionally HCs get to run their own show, and that is absolutely the default setting for any HC, and he gets to pick his own lieutenants... But in this case he has to humbly defer to his boss Swarbrick, and accept those terms that would be informally imposed upon him as condition of getting the job. And so they all, in different ways, coming off looking like little chump-bitches. So it's really easy to imagine a certain section of ND fans/alums resisting that narrative, whatever circumstantial evidence there is that might suggest that is in fact how the shit went down....

And since there is no smoking gun proof, no explicit tape-recorded conversations, it's only subject to speculation for us fans. Couple that with the fact that, typically and as a definite rule, HCs are totally allowed and empowered to hire and fire their own underlings on their say-so, and not the AD, thus it violates Occam's razor to entertain this sort of conspiracy theory. Though I would guarantee there have been exceptions to that usual distribution of authority, given that ADs would always reserve the final say in anything to do with the goings-on in the wider athletic dept., and I'm sure sometimes it does happen that way for whatever reason. And this could be one of those....

So.... I don't know what really happened, but I could definitely see it. Swarbrick simply retaining on his final authority and promising the spot to TR, in the initial chaos, if he stayed at ND, and later when MF got the offer to be the HC, it really was perfect and Swarbrick could have his cake and eat it too. He loves MF to death, and is absolutely willing to take a chance on him, and given MF's position, that he would accept that condition, so long as Swarbrick was tactful enough about it I suppose. And it's not forever but only for the time being, and everybody wins...

As far as your choice of the dismissive and sort of bookish term 'bromide', one doesn't have to be Sigmund Freud to note the tendentious sneer implicit within, and presumably for the reasons I've already mentioned. Because it's all rather unflattering and not to ND's credit as a whole, nor any of the individual actors. And without definitive evidence, it's certainly arguable that Swarbrick did none of the things he's accused of by the haters, and everything about this transition from BK to MF was hunky dory, MF's toes were not stepped on, nor was his dignity as a coach insulted, and none of the characters in this situation come off looking like the chump-bitches they otherwise might. All of it mere coincidence and/or conspiracy theory. Which is 100% possible.

Anyway, I think there are a lot of online ND alums, who are also Swarbrick haters it must be said, and even Rees haters as well, who totally think that's how it all went down. I don't know if they had any sort of inside info or not. And don't kill your darlings next time, that's what the internet's for. You just look like someone who's taking the pussy's way out if you're going to get all cutesy like that. If anything it makes you look more egocentric than just saying whatever it is you wanted to say. But I suppose we're done here. That was a pretty comprehensive recap on my part.....
 
You have zero clue what the current OC salary structure is at Notre Dame.
Unfortunately, you’re dead wrong.

I have far more than just a clue when it comes to the compensation structure at ND.

Why would you doubt me ?
 
Loy said Ludwig blew the staff away.

He made $1.25 mill at Utah. My only fear is ND won’t fork over the necessary cash. If they do, I like our odds.
 
Loy said Ludwig blew the staff away.

He made $1.25 mill at Utah. My only fear is ND won’t fork over the necessary cash. If they do, I like our odds.
If hypothetically Marcus Freeman decides on Andy Ludwig, what amount do you believe ND would offer Ludwig, who will be 59 next season, has 25 years experience as an OC, and made 1.25 million at Utah last season?
 
If hypothetically Marcus Freeman decides on Andy Ludwig, what amount do you believe ND would offer Ludwig, who will be 59 next season, has 25 years experience as an OC, and made 1.25 million at Utah last season?
Wouldn’t the answer depend on what the compensation is being paid to the DC and other coaches ?

Quite possibly, the signing of a high profile OC might require the restructuring of other coaches compensation.
 
Wouldn’t the answer depend on what the compensation being paid to the DC and other coaches ?

Quite possibly, the signing of a high profile OC might require the restructuring of other coaches compensation.
I have no idea. None. That's why I asked the question.
 
If hypothetically Marcus Freeman decides on Andy Ludwig, what amount do you believe ND would offer Ludwig, who will be 59 next season, has 25 years experience as an OC, and made 1.25 million at Utah last season?

I have no idea but has to be at least 2 million if it’s me. Uproot the fam, leave a place I like, move back to no sunshine.
 
I have no idea. None. That's why I asked the question.
Based on the pay of previous coordinators I think a reasonable estimate would be between $ 1,250,000 and $ 2,000,000
 
Just think it’s interesting that CJ took until today to get more active on social media again since the Rees announcement. He likely knows more than any of us about what’s going down. He probably likes Ludwig.

 
My guess is between 1.5 and 1.75. But that's purely a guess
If he makes 1.25 million at Utah, and is being courted to Notre Dame, I would think it's closer to the 1.75 figure.

That said, I do not know.
 
Right, you don't want to think about it that way, because it makes ND look bad.
I'm not into spin. I just do my best to get at the truth. So I don't want to think about it that way because it doesn't seem like the truth.

As for the rest, I can't tell whether you're being sarcastic or not, and I can't tell whether you're stating your own views or the views of someone you disagree with. So I have no further response.
 
Why would you doubt me ?
Because the average person who repeats the "One of the problems with finding a terrific OC is the existing salary structure at ND" bromide has no idea what the existing salary structure at ND is. And you haven't shown any evidence that you are privy to more information about the matter than anyone else.
 
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Based on the pay of previous coordinators I think a reasonable estimate would be between $ 1,250,000 and $ 2,000,000
Now we're getting somewhere. What is the pay of previous coordinators, and where do you get that information? Tell me those things, and I won't doubt that you know what the rest of us do not.
 
Because the average person who repeats the "One of the problems with finding a terrific OC is the existing salary structure at ND" bromide has no idea what the existing salary structure at ND is. And you haven't shown any evidence that you are privy to more information about the matter than anyone else.
100.
 
Because the average person who repeats the "One of the problems with finding a terrific OC is the existing salary structure at ND" bromide has no idea what the existing salary structure at ND is. And you haven't shown any evidence that you are privy to more information about the matter than anyone else.
You’re wrong again, I do know what the salary structure is from several sources.

And one of them is public information, you tool
 
Now we're getting somewhere. What is the pay of previous coordinators, and where do you get that information? Tell me those things, and I won't doubt that you know what the rest of us do not.
Where do I get that information from ?

I get it directly from Notre Dame.
Notre Dame publishes that information you tool !

Notre Dame is a tax exempt organization and Federal law requires Notre Dame to file IRS Form 990.

Part VII of IRS Form lists the compensation of officers, directors, trustees, key executives and highly paid employees you arrogant ass !

So that’s one of the reasons that I know what your uninformed, arrogant ass doesn’t know !
 
Now we're getting somewhere. What is the pay of previous coordinators, and where do you get that information? Tell me those things, and I won't doubt that you know what the rest of us do not.
Dude, don't bother. It's a waste of time.
 
Where do I get that information from ?

I get it directly from Notre Dame.
Notre Dame publishes that information you tool !

Notre Dame is a tax exempt organization and Federal law requires Notre Dame to file IRS Form 990.

Part VII of IRS Form lists the compensation of officers, directors, trustees, key executives and highly paid employees you arrogant ass !

So that’s one of the reasons that I know what your uninformed, arrogant ass doesn’t know !
And technically they only disclose money that the school itself pays, which isn't reflective of total compensation.
 
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Now we're getting somewhere. What is the pay of previous coordinators, and where do you get that information? Tell me those things, and I won't doubt that you know what the rest of us do not.
You're outta your league here. Take the L.
 
What L is he taking?
He asked for parish to give the basis for salary structure at ND.. the tax form does this. The only thing to keep in mind is it could be offset by additional earnings that do not come from Notre Dame.

Patirish is totally correct. The contracts are private, the tax filings are not.
 
He asked for parish to give the basis for salary structure at ND.. the tax form does this. The only thing to keep in mind is it could be offset by additional earnings that do not come from Notre Dame.

Patirish is totally correct.
Exactly. Where a lot of the money comes from. I remember they had BKs salary at 1.25 million or something low like that and he was making over 5.

So you don't know the coaches salary because a lot of it is not reported
 
And technically they only disclose money that the school itself pays, which isn't reflective of total compensation.
Suddenly you’re an expert on Form 990

You’re a genius, to quote you, “THEY ONLY DISCLOSE money that the SCHOOL ITSELF PAYS”

WASN’T THAT THE QUESTION ?

Compensatation from sources OTHER than Notre Dame is not listed on Form 990, But that wasn’t the question, the question was: What salary would ND be paying a new OC.

Repeat SALARY, not non-ND compensation.
 
He asked for parish to give the basis for salary structure at ND.. the tax form does this. The only thing to keep in mind is it could be offset by additional earnings that do not come from Notre Dame.

Patirish is totally correct. The contracts are private, the tax filings are not.
Of course there are tax filings. What the actual Notre Dame Football coaching total salaries are, Head Coach, DC, and OC....are all speculation.
 
Suddenly you’re an expert on Form 990

You’re a genius, to quote you, “THEY ONLY DISCLOSE money that the SCHOOL ITSELF PAYS”

WASN’T THAT THE QUESTION ?

Compensatation from sources OTHER than Notre Dame is not listed on Form 990, But that wasn’t the question, the question was: What salary would ND be paying a new OC.

Repeat SALARY, not non-ND compensation.
Go to bed.
 
Exactly. Where a lot of the money comes from. I remember they had BKs salary at 1.25 million or something low like that and he was making over 5.

So you don't know the coaches salary because a lot of it is not reported
WRONG, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE COACH IS PAID BY ND.

EVERYTHING ND PAYS THE COACHES IS REPORTED ON IRS FORM 990
 
Of course there are tax filings. What the actual Notre Dame Football coaching total salaries are, Head Coach, DC, and OC....are all speculation.
NOT TRUE

ND HAS TO REPORT EVERY PENNY IT PAYS THE COACHES
 
Exactly. Where a lot of the money comes from. I remember they had BKs salary at 1.25 million or something low like that and he was making over 5.

So you don't know the coaches salary because a lot of it is not reported
Thank You.
 
IRS FORM 990 DOES NOT REQUIRE ND TO REPORT ANY COMPENSATION PAID BY A SOURCE OTHER THAN ND.

ND WOULD PROBABLY BE UNAWARE OF COMPENSATION PAID BY OUTSIDE SOURCES.

ND IS
ONLY required to report compensation that ND pays to the coaches
 
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