Notre Dame 2020 Class Ranking down to #14

[Golson5]

7th or 8th and thats being quite generous isn't GOOD ENOUGH, got it moron. ND is in the 11-14 range, ND needs to be and should be top 5 every year period.

7th or 8th is what we are the last 3 years. Name 8 better over that span. You cant. We are not in the 11 to 14 range. We're a top 10 program right now.

Why "should we" be top 5 every year. Because what we did over 30 years ago. Kelly took over a dumpster fire. Turned this program around into a top 10. Hes not done yet.

33 and 6. 9 top 25 wins. 2 bowl wins. 3 straight 10 plus win seasons. 7th or 8th best program in the country. Pre season top 10 in 2020.

You are a moron

 

[hvillebill]

7th or 8th and thats being quite generous isn't GOOD ENOUGH, got it moron. ND is in the 11-14 range, ND needs to be and should be top 5 every year period.

So, what do you suggest the people on this board do about it?

 

[chitown sot]

So, what do you suggest the people on this board do about it?

Not a damn thing, but keep supporting your bff BK

 

[TDIrish27]

The realists know the program can be elite, and BK doesn’t have what it takes to take the program to the elite level.

The apologists think the program can never be elite, because if BK can’t get them them to that level, no one can.

The realists know we are not recruiting many of the same kids that Clemson , LSU and Florida are recruiting for a variety of reasons.

Enough with Eddie O----he's a cheat---it's documented.

Let's see his record going forward because prior to this season nobody was touting him for squat.

 

[BGI User 1596]

The realists know we are not recruiting many of the same kids that Clemson , LSU and Florida are recruiting for a variety of reasons.

Enough with Eddie O----he's a cheat---it's documented.

Let's see his record going forward because prior to this season nobody was touting him for squat.

Like Bartleson?

 

[Golson5]

You have to be one of the stupidest MF there is. No big wins, beating mediocre teams that ND should beat, and losing to big game opponents. Its a BK staple, count on it. Next year it will be loses to Clemson and Wisconsin at least, thats the BK way. The guy can't win big ones, period unless its grand valley st. Really hes not done? Hes been done, reached his ceiling, he is going no further. You are a joke, keep drinking the kool aide my friend......

Still the 7th or 8th best program of the last 3 years.

Your life still sucks. How does that feel? Dont blame BK you have a shi**y existence. You are a fake ND fan. You're a troll. Go find another team to bi*ch about.

33 and 6. 9 top 25 wins. 2 bowl wins. Top 10 next yr. BK got this thing rolling.

You hate it. We're laughing at you

 

[hvillebill]

Not a damn thing, but keep supporting your bff BK

I’ve told you before and I’ll tell you again, I feel BK has gotten us back to respectability but I don’t feel he can win the NC.

But keep thinking whatever it is that you think. Whatever makes you feel good about yourself.

 

[NDinNJ]

The realists know we are not recruiting many of the same kids that Clemson , LSU and Florida are recruiting for a variety of reasons.

Enough with Eddie O----he's a cheat---it's documented.

Let's see his record going forward because prior to this season nobody was touting him for squat.

You need to check the offers. ND is giving offers to most of the same 5 stars as Clemson. Example, for the 2020 cycle ND offered 18 - 5 star athletes, while Clemson offered 21. Of those, 15 were offered by both schools.

The argument that ND can’t offer the same student athletes due to academic restrictions is a myth, and an excuse for the BK apologists.

 

[zonairish]

Just a reminder to those who celebrate a "top 5 class" or "top 10 class" all recruiting cycle up until the early signing period.

NDs class ranking has tumbled to #14 in 2020.
Please don't let pundits/analysts call this a top 5 or top 10 class like many of them like to do all off-season while ignoring the data.

https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Football/CompositeTeamRankings/

Also a reminder that there's no such thing as a "brian kelly 2.0".

NDs 2019 class ranking was #16 combined with their 2020 class ranking of #14 after coming off a season where they finished #12 in F/+.

These are NOT good indicators of a surging/growing program with higher upside. These figures reinforce the idea that ND is stuck somewhere at the back end of the top 15. With these results ND has VERY LITTLE chance of winning/competing vs the A & A+ programs for national titles.

Also a reminder to ignore NDs class ranking until this time of the year next year (~January) because ND ALWAYS signs their best recruits 1-2 years early and then simply stop recruiting during the regular season/down the stretch. This has been the case for 4 years running now.

You realize we signed 18. If you don’t sign at least 20 and in our case 21 your average ranking is docked. If they signed three more of the lowest 3 stars possible the Irish would be in the 4 to 6 range. They are also getting punished for signing a two star long snapper.

 

[NDinNJ]

You realize we signed 18. If you don’t sign at least 20 and in our case 21 your average ranking is docked. If they signed three more of the lowest 3 stars possible the Irish would be in the 4 to 6 range. They are also getting punished for signing a two star long snapper.

Texas signed 17, yet they are in the top 10. Another falsehood perpetuated by the BK apologists.

 

[HillRock86]

The realists know we are not recruiting many of the same kids that Clemson , LSU and Florida are recruiting for a variety of reasons.

Enough with Eddie O----he's a cheat---it's documented.

Let's see his record going forward because prior to this season nobody was touting him for squat.

Why are you hating on Eddie O? He's got something Kelly likely will never have. A National Championship at this level.

And don't forget, the NCAA stripped ND of victories under Kelly's watch too.

 

[HillRock86]

Still the 7th or 8th best program of the last 3 years.

Your life still sucks. How does that feel? Dont blame BK you have a shi**y existence. You are a fake ND fan. You're a troll. Go find another team to bi*ch about.

33 and 6. 9 top 25 wins. 2 bowl wins. Top 10 next yr. BK got this thing rolling.

You hate it. We're laughing at you

You throw around that 33-6 record like it's something to be proud of. Memphis, App. St. and Boise St. have also won 30 games or more in the last three years. You know what they have in common with Notre Dame? Nothing to show for it. This is Notre Dame. Home of 11 NCs and 7 Heisman winners. It's own broadcasting network. Millions of dollars reaped by its football program. A reputation that still means something out in the college football landscape. It's time Kelly started cashing in on these 10 + win seasons with either top 5 recruiting classes, consistent appearances in the playoffs (like Oklahoma) or God forbid, ND's 12 national title. Otherwise, we're in the same league as those aforementioned programs.

 

[Golson5]

You throw around that 33-6 record like it's something to be proud of. Memphis, App. St. and Boise St. have also won 30 games or more in the last three years. You know what they have in common with Notre Dame? Nothing to show for it. This is Notre Dame. Home of 11 NCs and 7 Heisman winners. It's own broadcasting network. Millions of dollars reaped by its football program. A reputation that still means something out in the college football landscape. It's time Kelly started cashing in on these 10 + win seasons with either top 5 recruiting classes, consistent appearances in the playoffs (like Oklahoma) or God forbid, ND's 12 national title. Otherwise, we're in the same league as those aforementioned programs.

Thats absolutely wrong and ridiculous

 

[NDinNJ]

Thats absolutely wrong and ridiculous

You really are a dummy. All 3 with 30+ wins the last three years.

Boise State - 33-8
App State - 33-7
Memphis - 30-11

 

[Golson5]

You really are a dummy. All 3 with 30+ wins the last three years.

Boise State - 33-8
App State - 33-7
Memphis - 30-11

You truly are an absolute moron

Boise st 4 top 25 wins
App st. 0 top 25 wins
Memphis 5 top 25 wins

We have 9. Those three have 9 combined. Our record is better than all 3 with a much tougher schedule. And you are comparing them to us HAHAHA

You are an absolute JOKE. Nice try trolling you idiot

What a JOKE thia fake a** ND fan is. You are a troll. Go find another team you loser

 

[Golson5]

Only 6 programs have won 10 plus games the last 3 years. We are one of them

We are the 7th or 8th best program over the last 3 years. We'll be back in the playoff hunt again this year. BK got this thing rolling

 

[NDinNJ]

Only 6 programs have won 10 plus games the last 3 years. We are one of them

We are the 7th or 8th best program over the last 3 years. We'll be back in the playoff hunt again this year. BK got this thing rolling

WRONG you dummy.

 

[echowaker]

Sounds like bad recruiting then.

of course. the top kids are rarely interested in ND . they're looking for the quickest route to the NFL with the path of least resistance. that's not ND.

 

[echowaker]

No, 11-14 is about right.Now the genius who has just figured out after 10 fricking years he has to recruit better and he sits at #14. Unbelievable that ND Admin puts up with this shit.

and you put up with it too.

 

[echowaker]

No, 11-14 is about right.Now the genius who has just figured out after 10 fricking years he has to recruit better and he sits at #14. Unbelievable that ND Admin puts up with this shit.

you're certainly entitled to your uneducated opinion.

 

[echowaker]

WRONG you dummy.

are you 12 years old ?

 

[echowaker]

So, what do you suggest the people on this board do about it?

keep bitching and be miserable like the small minority of haters. they know who they are.

 

[echowaker]

Like Bartleson?

Bartleson ? no one at ND with that name.

 

[echowaker]

You need to check the offers. ND is giving offers to most of the same 5 stars as Clemson. Example, for the 2020 cycle ND offered 18 - 5 star athletes, while Clemson offered 21. Of those, 15 were offered by both schools.

The argument that ND can’t offer the same student athletes due to academic restrictions is a myth, and an excuse for the BK apologists.

who said they can't offer them ? they don't come to ND because they are looking for the quickest path to the NFL with the least amount of resistance along the way. ND is not that. is that too difficult for you to comprehend ?

 

[TDIrish27]

You need to check the offers. ND is giving offers to most of the same 5 stars as Clemson. Example, for the 2020 cycle ND offered 18 - 5 star athletes, while Clemson offered 21. Of those, 15 were offered by both schools.

The argument that ND can’t offer the same student athletes due to academic restrictions is a myth, and an excuse for the BK apologists.

ND cannot bring a kid to campus who isn't qualified or a lock to qualify

Many of these schools are SIGNING guys that aren't qualified. They will be after their Final Report Card but ND cannot touch that kid.

I know of 2 in NJ that are among their Top 5 who are in this situation.

4 years Higher Math , 2 years Foreign Language , 2 Lab Sciences are mandatory for recruitment here.

You any idea how many guys that eliminates in the Top 300 ?

The balance of power in HS football has changed dramatically in the last 10 years . The most players are in the South plain and simple. Certainly if it isn't Deep South it's below the Mason Dixon Line

It's an unusual kid from that part of the country that wants to come here. Some do but majority don't----in state loyalty and it being a PIA for their parents getting to games are huge factors.

The majority of the elite kids of today----Top 300-----have a mindset of 3 years and I'm off to the league . That kid doesn't think he needs a great education when he can get a good one close to home .

Just that simple.

 

[NDSMC78]

You throw around that 33-6 record like it's something to be proud of. Memphis, App. St. and Boise St. have also won 30 games or more in the last three years. You know what they have in common with Notre Dame? Nothing to show for it. This is Notre Dame. Home of 11 NCs and 7 Heisman winners. It's own broadcasting network. Millions of dollars reaped by its football program. A reputation that still means something out in the college football landscape. It's time Kelly started cashing in on these 10 + win seasons with either top 5 recruiting classes, consistent appearances in the playoffs (like Oklahoma) or God forbid, ND's 12 national title. Otherwise, we're in the same league as those aforementioned programs.

You really think ND is in the same league as Memphis, Appalachian St. and Boise St.? That tells me all I need to know about your football acumen.

 

[IrishInOntario]

Texas signed 17, yet they are in the top 10. Another falsehood perpetuated by the BK apologists.

Lol... This is hilarious.

The difference between Texas at #9 with a 259.38 score and ND at #14 with a 255.55 is literally 1 top 300 recruit. Literally 1... So if ND allows Zak Zinter or Tirek Murphy to commit, rather than saying "sorry, we're full", ND jumps, has the #9 spot and there is no argument?

1 "whatever" recruit means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.

In the same time span that ND was 33-6, Texas went 25-15. That's what matters.

 

[nemeth#5]

I am just following to see if Chase or any of his several alias's responds to IIO just destroying his whole bs bitching brigade when it comes to the class ranking.

 

[NDIRISH53]

Lol... This is hilarious.

The difference between Texas at #9 with a 259.38 score and ND at #14 with a 255.55 is literally 1 top 300 recruit. Literally 1... So if ND allows Zak Zinter or Tirek Murphy to commit, rather than saying "sorry, we're full", ND jumps, has the #9 spot and there is no argument?

1 "whatever" recruit means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.

In the same time span that ND was 33-6, Texas went 25-15. That's what matters.

Or if they you know... actually tried to get ransome or mcmillan

 

[IrishInOntario]

Or if they you know... actually tried to get ransome or mcmillan

That could be on Kelly. We've discussed Kelly's attention to recruiting in another thread. There is no guarantee his extra recruitment of them would have made difference. Neither of them said that. Only that it would have helped.

That said, landing big fish is something to be argumentative about. Using Texas as an example of out recruiting ND because the Irish said "no" to Zak Zinter, Tirek Murphy or Kevin Pyne level recruits is a completely different argument and not one grounded in any objective reality lol. ND chose proven grad transfers in Skowronek and Pryor, and key returning 5th year STARTERS in Book, Ogundeji, Hayes, Kraemer, Eichenberg and Crawford instead.

There is virtually no difference, at all, between the #9, #10, #11, #12, #13, #14, #15 classes in the 2020 rankings composite. Literally any decent 4 star recruit would elevate any of those classes into the #9 spot.

 

[ohio1980]

7th or 8th is what we are the last 3 years. Name 8 better over that span. You cant. We are not in the 11 to 14 range. We're a top 10 program right now.

Why "should we" be top 5 every year. Because what we did over 30 years ago. Kelly took over a dumpster fire. Turned this program around into a top 10. Hes not done yet.

33 and 6. 9 top 25 wins. 2 bowl wins. 3 straight 10 plus win seasons. 7th or 8th best program in the country. Pre season top 10 in 2020.

You are a moron

"For the second time in five years, Notre Dame’s lone victory against a final Top 25 team came against Navy."

Yep, facts only. This was quoted by (Irish Illustrated ND editor) Lou Somogyi

Don't want to pile on, just curb your enthusiasm a little. I truly believe ND is heading the right way with BK, I just wish ND's recruiting would get a little better!
Go Irish

 

[IrishFanSam81]

You throw around that 33-6 record like it's something to be proud of. Memphis, App. St. and Boise St. have also won 30 games or more in the last three years. You know what they have in common with Notre Dame? Nothing to show for it. This is Notre Dame. Home of 11 NCs and 7 Heisman winners. It's own broadcasting network. Millions of dollars reaped by its football program. A reputation that still means something out in the college football landscape. It's time Kelly started cashing in on these 10 + win seasons with either top 5 recruiting classes, consistent appearances in the playoffs (like Oklahoma) or God forbid, ND's 12 national title. Otherwise, we're in the same league as those aforementioned programs.

If Notre Dame was in the playoffs 3 out of 4 years like Oklahoma and got blown out in 3 of them you would still be here bitching.

 

[NDIRISH53]

That could be on Kelly. We've discussed Kelly's attention to recruiting in another thread. There is no guarantee his extra recruitment of them would have made difference. Neither of them said that. Only that it would have helped.

That said, landing big fish is something to be argumentative about. Using Texas as an example of out recruiting ND because the Irish said "no" to Zak Zinter, Tirek Murphy or Kevin Pyne level recruits is a completely different argument and not one grounded in any objective reality lol. ND chose proven grad transfers in Skowronek and Pryor, and key returning 5th year STARTERS in Book, Ogundeji, Hayes, Kraemer, Eichenberg and Crawford instead.

There is virtually no difference, at all, between the #9, #10, #11, #12, #13, #14, #15 classes in the 2020 rankings composite. Literally any decent 4 star recruit would elevate any of those classes into the #9 spot.

I’d agree I’d rather take a couple grad transfers and 5th years who are damn near locks to help on a team that should compete over lower 4 star guys.

 

[tbonesays]

of course. the top kids are rarely interested in ND . they're looking for the quickest route to the NFL with the path of least resistance. that's not ND.

Also we're a known commodity. If you commit to ND you WILL be embarrassed on national television in a very hyped up game once a year.

 

[NDinNJ]

Lol... This is hilarious.

The difference between Texas at #9 with a 259.38 score and ND at #14 with a 255.55 is literally 1 top 300 recruit. Literally 1... So if ND allows Zak Zinter or Tirek Murphy to commit, rather than saying "sorry, we're full", ND jumps, has the #9 spot and there is no argument?

1 "whatever" recruit means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.

In the same time span that ND was 33-6, Texas went 25-15. That's what matters.

I was simply responding to your belief that because ND had less then 21 recruits they were being docked. Your lack of reading comprehension is on you not me. I suggest you re-read what you posted in response to ND’s recruiting ranking. Maybe even dumb it down a bit so you can understand the point you are trying to make.

 

[chitown sot]

"For the second time in five years, Notre Dame’s lone victory against a final Top 25 team came against Navy."

Yep, facts only. This was quoted by (Irish Illustrated ND editor) Lou Somogyi

Don't want to pile on, just curb your enthusiasm a little. I truly believe ND is heading the right way with BK, I just wish ND's recruiting would get a little better!
Go Irish

Be patient. A light bulb went off in Brians head after 10 years and he now realizes after all these years that he has to recruit better.

 

[IrishInOntario]

I was simply responding to your belief that because ND had less then 21 recruits they were being docked. Your lack of reading comprehension is on you not me. I suggest you re-read what you posted in response to ND’s recruiting ranking. Maybe even dumb it down a bit so you can understand the point you are trying to make.

And my point is that there is a 5 point difference (roughly 1/50th) of the total class value between Texas at #9 and #10 through #15. The difference virtually non-existent in the big picture.

Texas and Notre Dame have essentially the same class in terms of prospect value. Trade any run of the mill 4 star recruit for ND's 2 star long snapper (Texas didn't take a 2 star specialist), and Notre Dame's class is ranked ahead of Texas.

Texas prospect ranking average: 0.9179
ND prospect ranking average: 0.9064

That's how close #9 (Texas) and #14 (Notre Dame) are in recruiting for 2020.

 

[stu4don]

Still the 7th or 8th best program of the last 3 years.

Your life still sucks. How does that feel? Dont blame BK you have a shi**y existence. You are a fake ND fan. You're a troll. Go find another team to bi*ch about.

33 and 6. 9 top 25 wins. 2 bowl wins. Top 10 next yr. BK got this thing rolling.

You hate it. We're laughing at you

Actually we're 5th!

Notre Dame’s win percentage (.846) the last five seasons is the fifth best among Power 5 teams, trailing only Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State and Oklahoma.

Pretty damn good...

Imagine when we promote Chase to recruiting coordinator and we get all of them there 5 stars!!!

 

[NDinNJ]

Actually we're 5th!

Notre Dame’s win percentage (.846) the last five seasons is the fifth best among Power 5 teams, trailing only Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State and Oklahoma.

Pretty damn good...

Imagine when we promote Chase to recruiting coordinator and we get all of them there 5 stars!!!

You apologists throw out every stat you could possibly find to try and show BK is elite and the program is at an elite level.

We got absolutely destroyed and humiliated by one of our most hated rivals this season, and we continuously get hammered by top tier teams. Until BK 2.0, because remember, you apologists want to erase all the BK 1.0 shortcomings and failures, actually beats a top tier team and wins something significant like one playoff game, the program is not Top 10, no matter what stats or records you throw out.

 

[NDSMC78]

You apologists throw out every stat you could possibly find to try and show BK is elite and the program is at an elite level.

We got absolutely destroyed and humiliated by one of our most hated rivals this season, and we continuously get hammered by top tier teams. Until BK 2.0, because remember, you apologists want to erase all the BK 1.0 shortcomings and failures, actually beats a top tier team and wins something significant like one playoff game, the program is not Top 10, no matter what stats or records you throw out.

Who would you like to see on the sidelines at ND?