How bout QB development? You know the one position BK is supposed to thrive at. The so called offensive guru..
Notre Dame 2020 Class Ranking down to #14
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Half the time I think he just throws shit against the wall to see what sticks. Sadly, though, I think he truly believes it.
Seriously, is this the best response you have? Let’s just ignore the facts presented. True ND fans want real Improvement, not some watered down, fantasized version of it. Most of us agree, BK has done a great job bringing the program back from the previous 3 coaches, however he has clearly maxed out. If you want a top 11-15 become a fan of an appropriate team. A blue blood program like ND should be a Top 5 team more often than it is not.
Anyone that believes in a BK 2.0 is a tool. They probably sit at home and play with dolls, believe in Santa, and the tooth fairy.
I posted it because I seriously doubt he's an ND fan. I support the coach. He's done a fine job. Would I like more wins ? Sure. I guarantee he would too. I'm a fan, my choice is to support or move on. I choose to support. Until the powers that be decide a change is needed none of the same old bitching and moaning from the usual suspects will change that. I am amazed how that group can continue to come up with different ways to make the same old tired complaints. I choose to look at the positive aspects of the program and anticipate the upcoming season with optimism.
Most of the people who “constantly bitch” have never seen ND be a true powerhouse. I have, you have, many of this board haven’t. My sons are the same way, they just want to see one championship more than anything in the world. I’ve been alive for 3 and vividly remember 2 of them, and even I would kill for one more in my life.
I’ve seen 3 as well, and it’s the main reason I’m being critical after watching 10 years of solid to great seasons, but not quite getting to the next level. Always having those yearly WTF happened moments most recently vs Michigan, Miami, Clemson.
It almost seems the BK apologists have thrown their hands up and believe this is the best the program can do, and can never again be elite.
Change for the sake of change rarely if ever works in anything. You may be right and ND will never be elite again. If you think it's simply a matter of changing coaches that can bring elite status again you are sorely mistaken. Unless there is a serious shift in philosophy from the powers that be we may all have to support what is or move on.
“In this world you're either growing or you're dying so get in motion and grow” -Lou Holtz
This program is not growing, it’s hit a peak the last 3 seasons. We are good enough to beat 3rd tier teams and lower, but we can’t beat teams in the top 2 tiers.
Really? Tell that to Clemson when they hired Dabo, Florida when they hired Meyer, or LSU, when they hired Orgeron. Each of these teams were middling programs prior to these hires.
The realists know the program can be elite, and BK doesn’t have what it takes to take the program to the elite level.
The apologists think the program can never be elite, because if BK can’t get them them to that level, no one can.
Clemson knew exactly what they had in Dabo, because he was already coaching there for six seasons prior to getting the promotion. Meyer was another that many coaches (including Lou) identified as a big-time coaching prospect.
It's not as though either program took a shot in the dark.
Are you dumb or mentally challenged? LSU just won a Natty after a coaching change. More than BK has accomplished.
I’ll give you Meyer, but you are wrong about Dabo. In fact at the time most didn’t think that was a great hire, hence why he was just the interim coach initially.
You apologists have revisionist history.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...ire-to-hot-seat-to-national-championship-game
Right... and you just said we couldn't beat a tier 2 team. I mentioned 3 of those. So are you a moron or just an ignorant child. Or just another loser that hates bk because their own life sucks so bad
Again are you dumb or mentally challenged? Michigan and Stanford are in the same category as ND or lower.
LSU at the time was in build mode in year 2 of Orgeron’s tenure. They were a shell of what they are now. That’s like saying Tulsa, or UConn are top 11-15 programs because they beat ND in Kelly’s first 2-3 seasons at ND.
Just so we are straight and you comprehend, because mentally you clearly are deficient. My tiers are:
Tier 1: consistent Top 5
Tier 2: consistently in the Top 6-10
Tier 3: consistently ranked 11-15 ND is in this group you can argue Michigan and Stanford are in this group as well. LSU went from this group or lower to Tier 1 with Orgeron in 3-4 seasons.
Im sure you’ll bring up Oklahoma in 2012, but even that has an asterisk attached to it because he did that with Weis’ recruited players.
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Uh, just FYI. I'm not an apologist.
I've been on record here on this board numerous times saying BK has done a great job getting the program back to respectability, but I don't feel he can win the NC.
But hey, just keep using that term for anyone that has an opposing thought.
By the way, you posted one article to support your opinion about Dabo. Well, here's another where somebody thought differently:
Link: http://allsportsdiscussion.com/2017...knew-dabo-swinney-could-win-a-national-title/
Those are your tiers. And wtf are you again? You're no one. The last 3 years we're the 7th or 8th best program so we are tier 2 according to you. Good to know.
Using mentally challenged as an argument lets me know you are a piece of sh*t scumbag
You really are an idiot if you think we are top 7-8 program. Sorry but I’m going to have to ignore you moving forward. I can’t waste time on stupidity.
LOL, the article you link to proves my point further.
“I remember 2008 when Swinney was hired, and I’ll be honest I wasn’t “All In” with the hire. Clemson maybe should have been going for a bigger more established name. I didn’t think he had a enough experience to lead a program like Clemson. Even in 2011, I wasn’t sure if Swinney was more than a recruiter. His 2012 bowl win over LSU, turned the tide for me, but it took me awhile.“
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10 - 3
12 - 1
11 - 2
Made the playoffs, won 2 bowl games. 3 straight seasons of 10 or more wins which only 6 other programs can say that. 9 top 25 wins. Show me 8 programs better over that span.
You conveniently skipped over the remainder of the article, including the quote from Terry Don Phillips, the AD that hired Dabo, that said he knew it WAS a great hire. And the writer acknowledges that he was wrong. So you were using the words of a sportswriter over those of an AD, who more than likely knows far more about football than the writer.
Here's the part you left out:
Back in 2008 how did former Clemson AD Terry Don Phillips know that Swinney could lead Clemson to the promised land?
I went back and found an 2008 article when Swinney was hired. Some of the quotes are almost prophetic.
“It’s less of a gamble if you’ve been around them a long time,” Phillips said of hiring coaches. “That’s why I feel so good about Dabo. If I didn’t know Dabo, I probably wouldn’t have the same feeling. I know him, and I feel it’s less of a gamble.”
“You want to see how he coaches, how he relates,” Phillips said. “That’s ultimately what’s going to matter. There’s a lot of wonderful people that coach that are not always successful. There are some intangibles that I believe he has that are leadership intangibles.
So I didn't prove your point. I backed up my own.
First off Orgeron does not belong in the discussion with those two. He's doing an excellent job but caught lightning in a bottle with Burrow and Brady. Both are gone. ND is far from middling.
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I honestly don't think they can be under the current administration and its approach. I'm ok with that.
Or look at the facts. Did the results in 2017 look like the same leader from 2016? Did 2018 come out the same as 2012?
Urban wanted Wimbush. I'm sure Jurk was highly rated.
7th or 8th and thats being quite generous isn't GOOD ENOUGH, got it moron. ND is in the 11-14 range, ND needs to be and should be top 5 every year period.
And how many were big wins? Cant beat the likes of BG, Duke, Ball st, WF, Temple, umass, NMex, and think ND is this mighty team. When they play great teams and some mediocre but a big game (michigan), BK wets the bed like he always does. ND has gotten lucky the Stanfords and USCs of the world have sucked the last couple of years.
Ill give you that, jury still out on Orgeron. At least he won a Natty, something BK will never do unless he goes back to div II
No, 11-14 is about right.Now the genius who has just figured out after 10 fricking years he has to recruit better and he sits at #14. Unbelievable that ND Admin puts up with this shit.
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