Notre Dame 2020 Class Ranking down to #14

[chaseball]

UPDATE 1/28/20: ND class has actually slipped to #16. Post below was written several days ago.

Just a reminder to those who celebrate a "top 5 class" or "top 10 class" all recruiting cycle up until the early signing period.

NDs class ranking has tumbled to #14 in 2020.
Please don't let pundits/analysts call this a top 5 or top 10 class like many of them like to do all off-season while ignoring the data.

https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Football/CompositeTeamRankings/

Also a reminder that there's no such thing as a "brian kelly 2.0".

NDs 2019 class ranking was #16 combined with their 2020 class ranking of #14 after coming off a season where they finished #12 in F/+.

These are NOT good indicators of a surging/growing program with higher upside. These figures reinforce the idea that ND is stuck somewhere at the back end of the top 15. With these results ND has VERY LITTLE chance of winning/competing vs the A & A+ programs for national titles.

Also a reminder to ignore NDs class ranking until this time of the year next year (~January) because ND ALWAYS signs their best recruits 1-2 years early and then simply stop recruiting during the regular season/down the stretch. This has been the case for 4 years running now.

 

[echowaker]

Just a reminder to those who celebrate a "top 5 class" or "top 10 class" all recruiting cycle up until the early signing period.

NDs class ranking has tumbled to #14 in 2020.
Please don't let pundits/analysts call this a top 5 or top 10 class like many of them like to do all off-season while ignoring the data.

https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Football/CompositeTeamRankings/

Also a reminder under Brian Kelly 2.0 (since 2017) how everything is trending up:

NDs 2019 class ranking was #16 combined with their 2020 class ranking of #14 after coming off a season where they finished #12 in F/+.

These are NOT good indicators of a surging/growing program with higher upside. These figures reinforce the idea that ND is stuck somewhere at the back end of the top 15. WIth these results ND has VERY LITTLE chance of winning/competing vs the A+ programs for national titles.

Also a reminder to ignore NDs class ranking until this time of the year next year (~January) because ND ALWAYS signs their best recruits 1-2 years early and then simply stop recruiting during the regular season/down the stretch. This has been the case for 4 years running now.

I m sure that information made your day.

 

[chaseball]

I m sure that information made your day.

For years we've heard a very biased narrative in the media/from the establishment regarding NDs talent/recruiting success and that bias carries over to the fans who post here who are influenced by those media outlets. I wouldn't care but this narrative only accomplishes perpetuating the status quo.

I'm tired of being the only one that brings these issues to light, but it irritates me to see so much misinformation swirling around ND nation.

The ND media people are supposed to be the ones holding the university accountable and reporting the truth .. not spreading the university's propaganda and cheerleeding.

 

[Kcndmis97]

For years we've heard a very biased narrative in the media/from the establishment regarding NDs talent/recruiting success and that bias carries over to the fans who post here who are influenced by those media outlets. I wouldn't care but this narrative only accomplishes perpetuating the status quo.

I'm tired of being the only one that brings these issues to light, but it irritates me to see so much misinformation swirling around ND nation.

The ND media people are supposed to be the ones holding the university accountable and reporting the truth .. not spreading the university's propaganda and cheer-leading.

Please tell me which ND media outlets have written that the talent at ND is on par with the top 5 programs? I have never read anything in that narrative. I have only read that BK has strengthened the overall depth of talent over his tenure, which is true. You are making this stuff up just so you can post negative stuff like this....it’s sad and obvious.

 

[hvillebill]

Just a reminder to those who celebrate a "top 5 class" or "top 10 class" all recruiting cycle up until the early signing period.

NDs class ranking has tumbled to #14 in 2020.
Please don't let pundits/analysts call this a top 5 or top 10 class like many of them like to do all off-season while ignoring the data.

https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Football/CompositeTeamRankings/

Also a reminder that there's no such thing as a "brian kelly 2.0".

NDs 2019 class ranking was #16 combined with their 2020 class ranking of #14 after coming off a season where they finished #12 in F/+.

These are NOT good indicators of a surging/growing program with higher upside. These figures reinforce the idea that ND is stuck somewhere at the back end of the top 15. With these results ND has VERY LITTLE chance of winning/competing vs the A & A+ programs for national titles.

Also a reminder to ignore NDs class ranking until this time of the year next year (~January) because ND ALWAYS signs their best recruits 1-2 years early and then simply stop recruiting during the regular season/down the stretch. This has been the case for 4 years running now.

You act as if it was a 50th-ranked class.

You say ND has very little chance of winning/competing for the NC, but how many are right now? Going into next year, it will again come down to LSU, Clemson, Alabama, and Ohio State.

It's not as though we're behind everyone else. It's that everyone else is behind those teams named above.

 

[TAN1973]

Nonsense!

 

[chaseball]

Please tell me which ND media outlets have written that the talent at ND is on par with the top 5 programs? I have never read anything in that narrative. I have only read that BK has strengthened the overall depth of talent over his tenure, which is true. You are making this stuff up just so you can post negative stuff like this....it’s sad and obvious.

Who cares if it's "negative" or "positive" it's the truth.

I read tons of ND media and listen to tons of ND podcasts and follow all of the ND pundits/insiders on twitter. There's a total blindness to the facts regarding NDs talent level and NDs recruiting success. And when the topic is brought up, it's brushed under the rug as not an issue or problem even though it's the biggest issue/problem facing the program. It has been the elephant in the room that nobody in the media wants to talk about for 5+ years now.

 

[Golson5]

Just a reminder to those who celebrate a "top 5 class" or "top 10 class" all recruiting cycle up until the early signing period.

NDs class ranking has tumbled to #14 in 2020.
Please don't let pundits/analysts call this a top 5 or top 10 class like many of them like to do all off-season while ignoring the data.

https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Football/CompositeTeamRankings/

Also a reminder that there's no such thing as a "brian kelly 2.0".

NDs 2019 class ranking was #16 combined with their 2020 class ranking of #14 after coming off a season where they finished #12 in F/+.

These are NOT good indicators of a surging/growing program with higher upside. These figures reinforce the idea that ND is stuck somewhere at the back end of the top 15. With these results ND has VERY LITTLE chance of winning/competing vs the A & A+ programs for national titles.

Also a reminder to ignore NDs class ranking until this time of the year next year (~January) because ND ALWAYS signs their best recruits 1-2 years early and then simply stop recruiting during the regular season/down the stretch. This has been the case for 4 years running now.

What a tool....

BK 2.0 33 and 6. Top 10 pre season for 2020

 

[Kcndmis97]

Who cares if it's "negative" or "positive" it's the truth.

I read tons of ND media and listen to tons of ND podcasts and follow all of the ND pundits/insiders on twitter. There's a total blindness to the facts regarding NDs talent level and NDs recruiting success. And when the topic is brought up, it's brushed under the rug as not an issue or problem even though it's the biggest issue/problem facing the program. It has been the elephant in the room that nobody in the media wants to talk about for 5+ years now.

AGAIN, you are skating around the issue that you are making this stuff up about the ND media. Please provide examples of how the ND beat writers, podcasters, etc have said ND is right there with the top 5 programs in terms of talent. I read and listen as much as anyone and I have never heard anything like this. In fact, I’ve heard the opposite, that ND has done well but is still behind the top teams in terms of talent, especially at the skill positions.

 

[TAN1973]

Bk Is Bk biggest enemy in this case... do a better job at developing the players,calling a offense game plan... oh wait.... flea flicker!!!!

 

[chaseball]

You act as if it was a 50th-ranked class.

You say ND has very little chance of winning/competing for the NC, but how many are right now? Going into next year, it will again come down to LSU, Clemson, Alabama, and Ohio State.

It's not as though we're behind everyone else. It's that everyone else is behind those teams named above.

ND isn't only behind the top 4-5 programs dominating college football. They are multiple tiers away from that.

ND shouldn't be getting a pass for being way behind the top handful of football programs in the country anyway. They have the resources to compete with any of those super-tier football programs and they haven't under Brian Kelly.

Why is he getting an extension again?

 

[chitown sot]

What a tool....

BK 2.0 33 and 6. Top 10 pre season for 2020

Blah blah blah, STILL NO BIG BOY WINS FOR BK , this #14 ranking doesn't coinside with your fantasy top #8 and moving up scenario. Keep cheering, give him another 10. He promises to recruit better......

 

[chitown sot]

Who cares if it's "negative" or "positive" it's the truth.

I read tons of ND media and listen to tons of ND podcasts and follow all of the ND pundits/insiders on twitter. There's a total blindness to the facts regarding NDs talent level and NDs recruiting success. And when the topic is brought up, it's brushed under the rug as not an issue or problem even though it's the biggest issue/problem facing the program. It has been the elephant in the room that nobody in the media wants to talk about for 5+ years now.

Chase, these BK apologist clowns don't know the truth if it bit them in the a$$.

 

[Golson5]

ND isn't only behind the top 4-5 programs dominating college football. They are multiple tiers away from that.

ND shouldn't be getting a pass for being way behind the top handful of football programs in the country anyway. They have the resources to compete with any of those super-tier football programs and they haven't under Brian Kelly.

Why is he getting an extension again?

This is BS. You are full of sh*t

 

[Golson5]

Bk Is Bk biggest enemy in this case... do a better job at developing the players,calling a offense game plan... oh wait.... flea flicker!!!!

Our program has been very good at player development

 

[Golson5]

Blah blah blah, STILL NO BIG BOY WINS FOR BK , this #14 ranking doesn't coinside with your fantasy top #8 and moving up scenario. Keep cheering, give him another 10. He promises to recruit better......

7th or 8th best program over the last 3 years. Pre season top 10. We'll have easily our 4th straight double digit win season. And our 2021 class will be loaded.

Oh and we're going to have a bunch of players drafted in the NFL draft.

 

[TAN1973]

Our program has been very good at player development

That’s matter of opinion...

 

[chitown sot]

7th or 8th best program over the last 3 years. Pre season top 10. We'll have easily our 4th straight double digit win season. And our 2021 class will be loaded.

Oh and we're going to have a bunch of players drafted in the NFL draft.

Doesn't matter how well they recruit, BK doesn't know how to develop players. Right, another double digit win season MAYBE because they will lose to Clemson and Wisconsin because well.......thats what BK does.

 

[NDSMC78]

Why is he getting an extension again?

Could have something to do with the fact ND is 33-6 over the past 3 seasons.

 

[chitown sot]

Could have something to do with the fact ND is 33-6 over the past 3 seasons.

And of the 33 how many were big wins? The schedule has gone so soft. ND now plays New Mex, Bowling fricking Green, Duke(remember bk couldn't beat this powerhouse), ball st, vandy, Wake For, temple, miami OH, umass, l could go on and on. Everytime BK has a chance to beat a good team he lays an egg.
2014 Fl St - loss
2015 clemson - loss
stanford - loss
2016 - EMBARRASMENT
2017- GA - loss
Miami - loss
2018- clemson embarrassment
2019 - Mich - loss
GA - loss
Moral of the story - BK cannot win a big game period.

 

[Shulkswagen]

Just a reminder to those who celebrate a "top 5 class" or "top 10 class" all recruiting cycle up until the early signing period.

NDs class ranking has tumbled to #14 in 2020.
Please don't let pundits/analysts call this a top 5 or top 10 class like many of them like to do all off-season while ignoring the data.

https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Football/CompositeTeamRankings/

Also a reminder that there's no such thing as a "brian kelly 2.0".

NDs 2019 class ranking was #16 combined with their 2020 class ranking of #14 after coming off a season where they finished #12 in F/+.

These are NOT good indicators of a surging/growing program with higher upside. These figures reinforce the idea that ND is stuck somewhere at the back end of the top 15. With these results ND has VERY LITTLE chance of winning/competing vs the A & A+ programs for national titles.

Also a reminder to ignore NDs class ranking until this time of the year next year (~January) because ND ALWAYS signs their best recruits 1-2 years early and then simply stop recruiting during the regular season/down the stretch. This has been the case for 4 years running now.

Thanks Scoop, you are a crack journalist ... I needed this pick me up on a rainy gray Saturday.

 

[Kcndmis97]

And of the 33 how many were big wins? The schedule has gone so soft. ND now plays New Mex, Bowling fricking Green, Duke(remember bk couldn't beat this powerhouse), ball st, vandy, Wake For, temple, miami OH, umass, l could go on and on. Everytime BK has a chance to beat a good team he lays an egg.
2014 Fl St - loss
2015 clemson - loss
stanford - loss
2016 - EMBARRASMENT
2017- GA - loss
Miami - loss
2018- clemson embarrassment
2019 - Mich - loss
GA - loss
Moral of the story - BK cannot win a big game period.

No doubt BK has been bad in the bigger games. BUT, if you’re going to list the Miami loss in 2017 as a “big game loss”, then you need to list Mich St, USC and LSU as “big game wins” for that season. Same for the 2019 Mich loss....you have list 2018 Mich win.

 

[IrishFanSam81]

Do yourself a favor and go root for one of those top teams you speak of then. Everybody here is tired of reading your same drivel over and over.

 

[NotreDame du Lac]

I don’t understand what the debate is. Kelly is pretty good. He hasn’t won a title. Recruiting needs to improve. He said it himself. Not an argument.

 

[Golson5]

Doesn't matter how well they recruit, BK doesn't know how to develop players. Right, another double digit win season MAYBE because they will lose to Clemson and Wisconsin because well.......thats what BK does.

That's total garbage about player development. Check out the players we put in the NFL. And watch the nfl draft this year.

We'll add 6 or 7 more players getting drafted this year. We have developed a lot of players and its continuing this year and so on.

Very good player development at ND under BK

 

[bizzybecknd]

For years we've heard a very biased narrative in the media/from the establishment regarding NDs talent/recruiting success and that bias carries over to the fans who post here who are influenced by those media outlets. I wouldn't care but this narrative only accomplishes perpetuating the status quo.

I'm tired of being the only one that brings these issues to light, but it irritates me to see so much misinformation swirling around ND nation.

The ND media people are supposed to be the ones holding the university accountable and reporting the truth .. not spreading the university's propaganda and cheer-leading.

We’re all very extremely tired of it too.. you enlighten us on the daily

 

[wfeldmann]

Just a reminder to those who celebrate a "top 5 class" or "top 10 class" all recruiting cycle up until the early signing period.

NDs class ranking has tumbled to #14 in 2020.
Please don't let pundits/analysts call this a top 5 or top 10 class like many of them like to do all off-season while ignoring the data.

https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Football/CompositeTeamRankings/

Also a reminder that there's no such thing as a "brian kelly 2.0".

NDs 2019 class ranking was #16 combined with their 2020 class ranking of #14 after coming off a season where they finished #12 in F/+.

These are NOT good indicators of a surging/growing program with higher upside. These figures reinforce the idea that ND is stuck somewhere at the back end of the top 15. With these results ND has VERY LITTLE chance of winning/competing vs the A & A+ programs for national titles.

Also a reminder to ignore NDs class ranking until this time of the year next year (~January) because ND ALWAYS signs their best recruits 1-2 years early and then simply stop recruiting during the regular season/down the stretch. This has been the case for 4 years running now.

 

[NDIRISH53]

That's total garbage about player development. Check out the players we put in the NFL. And watch the nfl draft this year.

We'll add 6 or 7 more players getting drafted this year. We have developed a lot of players and its continuing this year and so on.

Very good player development at ND under BK

It could be a lot better. First of all, he has yet to develop an elite qb, or anything close to elite qb in 10 years. Also, most, if not almost all of the returning starters from 18-19 regressed, but most turned it around in November to be fair.

 

[IrishInOntario]

You know what's funny? ND's class is literally one quality 4 star recruit away from being ranked #9 and two 4 star recruits away from being ranked #7...

Chase... What part of, ND is full, has a numbers crunch and chose two grad transfers that are plug-and-play, over two more freshman, don't you understand?

ND has 17 commits for the 2020 cycle. Here are the 7 teams ranked ahead of them.

#13 Penn State: 27 commits (256.40)
#12 Oregon: 21 commits (256.80)
#11 Michigan: 26 commits (258.19)
#10 Oklahoma: 23 commits (258.95)
#9 Texas: 17 commits (259.38)
#8 Florida: 24 commits (274.78)
#7 Auburn: 23 commits (273.23)

Here is an experiment for you Chase. I averaged out the numbers of players recruited in the 7 classes directly above ND. The average was 23 players per class, 6 more than ND was able to take because it values its 5th year players and has a bunch coming back. So here's the experiment. If ND had said "thanks, but no thanks" to its 5th year players and a incoming transfers, Pryor and Skowronek, and instead took 6 more players that they could have had if they had room and, therefore, would have recruited them from the beginning of the cycle... I plug these 6 players into the class calculator. I didn't use a single player that was a reach for ND had ND not only pursued them, but were willing to accept their commitments.

Cody Simon (#86 comp): Brother of Shayne. Would have committed to ND had they pushed. They didn't want a linebacker in this cycle, so they parted ways amicably and he signed with Ohio State.

Peter Skoronski (#110 comp): Came to ND multiple times. Wanted to come to ND but they weren't interested in players that play on the interior only. Decided to sign with Northwestern. ND cycles back late in the process and tried to flip because they came up one tackle short. Skoronski told them that he wasn't going to disrespect Northwestern and go back on his word late in the process.

Kaden Johnson (#163 comp): Visited ND multiple times and wanted to commit. Staff asked him to hold off while they evaluated their board. They wound up liking Botelho and Ehrensberger better. Had numbers been different they take Johnson and figure it out later. He committed to Minnesota after ND told him they jo longer had a spot for him.

Zak Zinter (#267 overall): Most people know the story here. Came to ND twice in a three week period. The second time he brought his parents and tried to commit. ND's staff said "sorry our OL numbers are too tight and like Skoronski, you only play on the interior". He committed to Michigan (who had room for 26 guys) shortly after. ND could have easily taken the commitment if they had room.

Tirek Murphy (#276): Visted ND and tried to commit. ND said they only had room for one back in the cycle and they weren't making any decisions until Chris Tyree made up his kind. Tyree chose ND and the staff said they'd not recruit another back in the class. They easily could have had two. Murphy signed with Purdue when ND told him they didn't have room.

Kevin Pyne (#287 comp): Would have walked over broken glass to come to ND with his cousin. ND liked other tackles better and thought he was a tad overrated. He wound of choosing Boston College as a backup to ND and he and the staff parted ways amicably.

If you think I selectively chose these guys, note that I could have substituted any of these among top 500 players...

WR Jadon Thompson
DE Deontae Craig
RB Jutahn McClain
TE Lukas Ungar
RB Reggie Love
DE Ben Yurosek

When I plugged Simon, Skoronski, Johnson, Zinter, Murphy and Pyne into the class calculator... ND wound up with a comp score of 282.21, which would have given them the #6 class overall.

What do you have to say about that Chaseball? Would you rather ND have 4 of Book, Crawford, Ogundeji, Hayes, Eichenberg, Kraemer, McKinley not return, and Skowronek and Pryor not transfer in?

Because that was the cost of passing on the 6 guys I listed... A decision that completely changes the narrative. Notre Dame wants to compete now, and, unfortunately, this year it was at the cost of turning down a bunch of 4 star talent in order to return a pre-season top 10 team in 2020.

Curious what you think about that truth?

 

[TAN1973]

I just wanna puke!!!!BK just needs to learn frm his f......mistakes... the reason he hasn’t developed a elite QB...is GD play calling... puts way to much on the QB.... puts the offense in predictable situations.... puts the Defense out to dry.... Elkhoe realized this in just ONE year..... CLARK... please don’t leave!!!BK.... DONT care if u leave!

 

[echowaker]

For years we've heard a very biased narrative in the media/from the establishment regarding NDs talent/recruiting success and that bias carries over to the fans who post here who are influenced by those media outlets. I wouldn't care but this narrative only accomplishes perpetuating the status quo.

I'm tired of being the only one that brings these issues to light, but it irritates me to see so much misinformation swirling around ND nation.

The ND media people are supposed to be the ones holding the university accountable and reporting the truth .. not spreading the university's propaganda and cheer-leading.

What a fabrication. Do you really believe the nonsense you post ?

 

[echowaker]

It could be a lot better. First of all, he has yet to develop an elite qb, or anything close to elite qb in 10 years. Also, most, if not almost all of the returning starters from 18-19 regressed, but most turned it around in November to be fair.

To be honest which QB had an elite level skill set ? Kizer that's it. Buchner will be the next.

 

[echowaker]

You know what's funny? ND's class is literally one quality 4 star recruit away from being ranked #9 and two 4 star recruits away from being ranked #7...

Chase... What part of, ND is full, has a numbers crunch and chose two grad transfers that are plug-and-play, over two more freshman, don't you understand?

ND has 17 commits for the 2020 cycle. Here are the 7 teams ranked ahead of them.

#13 Penn State: 27 commits (256.40)
#12 Oregon: 21 commits (256.80)
#11 Michigan: 26 commits (258.19)
#10 Oklahoma: 23 commits (258.95)
#9 Texas: 17 commits (259.38)
#8 Florida: 24 commits (274.78)
#7 Auburn: 23 commits (273.23)

Here is an experiment for you Chase. I averaged out the numbers of players recruited in the 7 classes directly above ND. The average was 23 players per class, 6 more than ND was able to take because it values its 5th year players and has a bunch coming back. So here's the experiment. If ND had said "thanks, but no thanks" to its 5th year players and a incoming transfers, Pryor and Skowronek, and instead took 6 more players that they could have had if they had room and, therefore, would have recruited them from the beginning of the cycle... I plug these 6 players into the class calculator. I didn't use a single player that was a reach for ND had ND not only pursued them, but were willing to accept their commitments.

Cody Simon (#86 comp): Brother of Shayne. Would have committed to ND had they pushed. They didn't want a linebacker in this cycle, so they parted ways amicably and he signed with Ohio State.

Peter Skoronski (#110 comp): Came to ND multiple times. Wanted to come to ND but they weren't interested in players that play on the interior only. Decided to sign with Northwestern. ND cycles back late in the process and tried to flip because they came up one tackle short. Skoronski told them that he wasn't going to disrespect Northwestern and go back on his word late in the process.

Kaden Johnson (#163 comp): Visited ND multiple times and wanted to commit. Staff asked him to hold off while they evaluated their board. They wound up liking Botelho and Ehrensberger better. Had numbers been different they take Johnson and figure it out later. He committed to Minnesota after ND told him they jo longer had a spot for him.

Zak Zinter (#267 overall): Most people know the story here. Came to ND twice in a three week period. The second time he brought his parents and tried to commit. ND's staff said "sorry our OL numbers are too tight and like Skoronski, you only play on the interior". He committed to Michigan (who had room for 26 guys) shortly after. ND could have easily taken the commitment if they had room.

Tirek Murphy (#276): Visted ND and tried to commit. ND said they only had room for one back in the cycle and they weren't making any decisions until Chris Tyree made up his kind. Tyree chose ND and the staff said they'd not recruit another back in the class. They easily could have had two. Murphy signed with Purdue when ND told him they didn't have room.

Kevin Pyne (#287 comp): Would have walked over broken glass to come to ND with his cousin. ND liked other tackles better and thought he was a tad overrated. He wound of choosing Boston College as a backup to ND and he and the staff parted ways amicably.

If you think I selectively chose these guys, note that I could have substituted any of these among top 500 players...

WR Jadon Thompson
DE Deontae Craig
RB Jutahn McClain
TE Lukas Ungar
RB Reggie Love
DE Ben Yurosek

When I plugged Simon, Skoronski, Johnson, Zinter, Murphy and Pyne into the class calculator... ND wound up with a comp score of 282.21, which would have given them the #6 class overall.

What do you have to say about that Chaseball? Would you rather ND have 4 of Book, Crawford, Ogundeji, Hayes, Eichenberg, Kraemer, McKinley not return, and Skowronek and Pryor not transfer in?

Because that was the cost of passing on the 6 guys I listed... A decision that completely changes the narrative. Notre Dame wants to compete now, and, unfortunately, this year it was at the cost of turning down a bunch of 4 star talent in order to return a pre-season top 10 team in 2020.

Curious what you think about that truth?

Now, now no fair bringing logic to a discussion with Chase. That puts him at a distinct disadvantage.

 

[echowaker]

I just wanna puke!!!!BK just needs to learn frm his f......mistakes... the reason he hasn’t developed a elite QB...is GD play calling... puts way to much on the QB.... puts the offense in predictable situations.... puts the Defense out to dry.... Elkhoe realized this in just ONE year..... CLARK... please don’t leave!!!BK.... DONT care if u leave!

Huh ?

 

[TDIrish27]

What a fabrication. Do you really believe the nonsense you post ?

Yeah he does-----why let it bother you ?

You can't get entertainment funnier at this price.

 

[d1042]

Just a reminder to those who celebrate a "top 5 class" or "top 10 class" all recruiting cycle up until the early signing period.

NDs class ranking has tumbled to #14 in 2020.
Please don't let pundits/analysts call this a top 5 or top 10 class like many of them like to do all off-season while ignoring the data.

https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Football/CompositeTeamRankings/

Also a reminder that there's no such thing as a "brian kelly 2.0".

NDs 2019 class ranking was #16 combined with their 2020 class ranking of #14 after coming off a season where they finished #12 in F/+.

These are NOT good indicators of a surging/growing program with higher upside. These figures reinforce the idea that ND is stuck somewhere at the back end of the top 15. With these results ND has VERY LITTLE chance of winning/competing vs the A & A+ programs for national titles.

Also a reminder to ignore NDs class ranking until this time of the year next year (~January) because ND ALWAYS signs their best recruits 1-2 years early and then simply stop recruiting during the regular season/down the stretch. This has been the case for 4 years running now.

however, the class has elite or near elite playmakers, something that higher ranked classes of the past have lacked.

 

[echowaker]

Yeah he does-----why let it bother you ?

You can't get entertainment funnier at this price.

Doesn't " bother " me. Agree it's great entertainment.

 

[NDIRISH53]

To be honest which QB had an elite level skill set ? Kizer that's it. Buchner will be the next.

So... bring in better talent or get better at evaluating the talent that YOU recruit

 

[TAN1973]

Huh ?

U disagree?

 

[NDlb46]

You know what's funny? ND's class is literally one quality 4 star recruit away from being ranked #9 and two 4 star recruits away from being ranked #7...

Chase... What part of, ND is full, has a numbers crunch and chose two grad transfers that are plug-and-play, over two more freshman, don't you understand?

ND has 17 commits for the 2020 cycle. Here are the 7 teams ranked ahead of them.

#13 Penn State: 27 commits (256.40)
#12 Oregon: 21 commits (256.80)
#11 Michigan: 26 commits (258.19)
#10 Oklahoma: 23 commits (258.95)
#9 Texas: 17 commits (259.38)
#8 Florida: 24 commits (274.78)
#7 Auburn: 23 commits (273.23)

Here is an experiment for you Chase. I averaged out the numbers of players recruited in the 7 classes directly above ND. The average was 23 players per class, 6 more than ND was able to take because it values its 5th year players and has a bunch coming back. So here's the experiment. If ND had said "thanks, but no thanks" to its 5th year players and a incoming transfers, Pryor and Skowronek, and instead took 6 more players that they could have had if they had room and, therefore, would have recruited them from the beginning of the cycle... I plug these 6 players into the class calculator. I didn't use a single player that was a reach for ND had ND not only pursued them, but were willing to accept their commitments.

Cody Simon (#86 comp): Brother of Shayne. Would have committed to ND had they pushed. They didn't want a linebacker in this cycle, so they parted ways amicably and he signed with Ohio State.

Peter Skoronski (#110 comp): Came to ND multiple times. Wanted to come to ND but they weren't interested in players that play on the interior only. Decided to sign with Northwestern. ND cycles back late in the process and tried to flip because they came up one tackle short. Skoronski told them that he wasn't going to disrespect Northwestern and go back on his word late in the process.

Kaden Johnson (#163 comp): Visited ND multiple times and wanted to commit. Staff asked him to hold off while they evaluated their board. They wound up liking Botelho and Ehrensberger better. Had numbers been different they take Johnson and figure it out later. He committed to Minnesota after ND told him they jo longer had a spot for him.

Zak Zinter (#267 overall): Most people know the story here. Came to ND twice in a three week period. The second time he brought his parents and tried to commit. ND's staff said "sorry our OL numbers are too tight and like Skoronski, you only play on the interior". He committed to Michigan (who had room for 26 guys) shortly after. ND could have easily taken the commitment if they had room.

Tirek Murphy (#276): Visted ND and tried to commit. ND said they only had room for one back in the cycle and they weren't making any decisions until Chris Tyree made up his kind. Tyree chose ND and the staff said they'd not recruit another back in the class. They easily could have had two. Murphy signed with Purdue when ND told him they didn't have room.

Kevin Pyne (#287 comp): Would have walked over broken glass to come to ND with his cousin. ND liked other tackles better and thought he was a tad overrated. He wound of choosing Boston College as a backup to ND and he and the staff parted ways amicably.

If you think I selectively chose these guys, note that I could have substituted any of these among top 500 players...

WR Jadon Thompson
DE Deontae Craig
RB Jutahn McClain
TE Lukas Ungar
RB Reggie Love
DE Ben Yurosek

When I plugged Simon, Skoronski, Johnson, Zinter, Murphy and Pyne into the class calculator... ND wound up with a comp score of 282.21, which would have given them the #6 class overall.

What do you have to say about that Chaseball? Would you rather ND have 4 of Book, Crawford, Ogundeji, Hayes, Eichenberg, Kraemer, McKinley not return, and Skowronek and Pryor not transfer in?

Because that was the cost of passing on the 6 guys I listed... A decision that completely changes the narrative. Notre Dame wants to compete now, and, unfortunately, this year it was at the cost of turning down a bunch of 4 star talent in order to return a pre-season top 10 team in 2020.

Curious what you think about that truth?

You know Chase won’t respond to this. It’s way too thought out and logical. He picks and chooses what he can argue based on his formula.