Pretty much everyone in the country would be overmatched from a talent standpoint against Texas, Georgia, Ohio State and Oregon. And yet all of those teams have showed they are beatable. We would not be favored, but could possibly beat any of those teams.
ND vs USC game thread
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And OSU lost to 6-5 team w/ a QB I'm better than in Columbus?
F+ says they are top 5 and I believe whatever they tell me. There is no imo with F+
I think ND would be small to large underdogs against any of the following teams:
Ole Miss, Texas, Alabama, Georgia, Penn St. OSU, Texas, Oregon
ND played a really bad schedule this year and looked ordinary anytime the competition was good.
A talent-laden team (top 5 talent, top 5 F+ team) could potentially eat ND alive yet again.
Ole Miss, Texas, Alabama, Georgia, Penn St. OSU, Texas, Oregon
ND played a really bad schedule this year and looked ordinary anytime the competition was good.
A talent-laden team (top 5 talent, top 5 F+ team) could potentially eat ND alive yet again.
We wouldn't be a large underdog to any team
We would be favored over psu for sure. Ole Miss probably. Maybe Bama. All others would be small favorites
According to F+, we have beat 4 top 35 teams. So do you believe in your rankings or not ?
He's going to ignore you, it doesn't fit his narrative.
I know I sound like an F+ zealot given the nature of discussions on this forum but there's a lot of areas where F+ is weak and I'm capable of judging a team with nuance and not just blindly following the F+ system. I'm just constantly having to defend the system against bad logic and weak arguments coming from the opposite end of the spectrum on this forum but F+ does have limitations and I'm capable of recognizing those and evaluating a team using a number of tools and resources
Anyone can have a bad day. I don’t see them being double digit dogs as they have been previously. I honestly am excited to see them play it out. If they get healthy I think it’s reasonable to be optimistic
You need to follow Chris plus. Thats me. I predicted a 14 point victory today.
So what? That is just 1 metric. The main one is the D in reality held USC to 21 rather than 35 points.
A fumble. A late garbage time TD. Context matters.
I agree the D wasn't ideal. But given this was the last game of the season, a rivalry game, some jitters, an injury to the #1 RB...mission accomplished. And since you seem to like stats...ND beat USC by a bigger margin than anybody else this season.
Would modern era ND have dug this deep? Exemplified in a pick-6 by Gray, who up to that point had a torrid game. Grit. Nastiness. I dare say humility.
I saw an ND that punched them in the mouth, they punched back, but ND threw more and connected. I haven't seen this kind of season since the days of Holtz in terms of tenacity. They did not play great, but yet won decisively enough.
Finally, I agree we will see how ND does vs a stronger team. I remain wary even if optimistic. But that optimism is higher...because as I watch these other teams, none are that way above the rest. Ohio State lost to Michigan as an example.
ND has a shot. MF needs to clean up things. Work in progress, still one...thank God.
My problem with Notre Dame's F+ ranking (and other computer poll rankings) this year is that a lot of that production was accrued early in the season with a healthy roster. And the systems aren't able to distinguish what players were healthy and not healthy while the team produced the results that led them to their current ranking in those systems.
And even though these systems neutralize for opponent quality it's statistical theory and Notre Dame just hasn't played against any top tier power four teams all year to actually be tested.
When ND has played vs good teams ND looks like these good teams peers instead of their superiors E.g. the way Texas is putting a whooping on a&m tonight
And even though these systems neutralize for opponent quality it's statistical theory and Notre Dame just hasn't played against any top tier power four teams all year to actually be tested.
When ND has played vs good teams ND looks like these good teams peers instead of their superiors E.g. the way Texas is putting a whooping on a&m tonight
You blindly follow it when it fits your narrative. If you used it as one tool and allowed for other things to be a factor no one would care.
But you always say whatever F+ tells you until it doesn't fit your ND narrative. That's why everyone calls you on your bullshit and no one respects F+. Your shit attitude a out it ruined the system
I've been posting about fplus since 2008 back when it was some super remote tool nobody knew existed
The only reason people actually give a s*** about fplus is because of my contributions explaining the virtues and the power of the tool and analyzing Notre Dame with it for the last 15 years and it being damn accurate
Now I really do believe this. I watched all of them in recent weeks. Ohio State for me has some serious talent...but Day doesn't seem to be an elite coach. Still good, but l less than the sum of the parts.
There is no superpower team. What was for me a clear top 4 is now a pack of teams that stand a chance vs each other. I wouldn't favor ND vs Ohio State, Oregon,Georgia, or Texas.
But I've gone from a 30% chance to 45%. No deep thought, just my eye test at this point. Gonna find out.
ND is playoff bound.
You are cherry picking how many times do I have to explain you got to look at the complete picture
No. People hate it and think it is a joke because of your attitude with it. You ruined F+ on this board for sure
No one gives a shit about it. They think it is a joke because of you. You ruined it
The only people that give a sh1t about F+ on this forum are you and your two other accounts.
Yeah and you cherry picked saying how they are looking vs Texas am. Look at the whole season. Not just the last game played.
They struggled twice and got blown out 1 game
They've played 11 games which has led them to their consensus tier 1 ranking across the board on all rankings systems and tonight they are reinforcing that view by dominating a good team
Do you not see how anytime I analyze Notre Dame with F Plus there's thousands of page views on all of my updates? Nobody would care enough about it to criticize it if it wasn't doing something right.
There's a lot of quiet fans of the analysis I provide with F Plus because anytime anybody says anything remotely curious or positive they get jumped on by the book burning mob (which is a vocal minority ) on this site
And this will be their first ranked win of the season
They struggled in 2 games and got blown out in 1
So 3 games they struggled in. They're good but not elite. Can be beat
No. It's everyone laughing at you and talking crap to you
Lots of injuries and a tough game against Army last week- very physical. Limited subs.
I'll tell you why no one cares about F+. It doesn't have any impact on the CFP and eventual National Champion. In fact the CFP committee gets their data from sportssource analytics. Unfortunately, they don't publish their data. So to reiterate, F+ is not used at all to determine the rankings, so it's a useless system, and it's a waste to even discuss it.
Just give it up! It hasn't worked for you for years now. Just give it a rest for about 20 years.
Believe it or not, chase has a lot more than just 2 other accounts.
You have to remember that the Irish now have some time to heal and get back some of the injured players.
This A&M game isn't over! So we either play 12-20/21, how many guys are we gonna have back for that game?
Great win today. Our defensive performance wasn't that great, other than the two pick-6s. But the offense played really well. And we beat a talented team that gave it their all, on the road. Go Irish!!
Elko isn’t calling the offense but he didn’t over rule the play
I still can’t get over how bad the nd D played today
Oregon just hung half a hundred on Washington. Had their backup QB in most of the second half.
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You know exactly what I mean, they called time out and that's what they ran! He knew exactly what was coming or he could've been the one that actually called it in the T/O
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Would you be willing to wager money that this account isn’t one of them
Teams that are in.
ND
Texas
Georgia
Oregon
Penn St.
SMU/Clemson winner
Ohio State
who am I missing? Arizona State, Tenn, Indiana. Alabama.
ND
Texas
Georgia
Oregon
Penn St.
SMU/Clemson winner
Ohio State
who am I missing? Arizona State, Tenn, Indiana. Alabama.
