ND Schedule updated

[melstew]

ND in NJ I enjoy your posts, and don't like to argue but "meaningless" means devoid of meaning. The transitive property as applied to football can be highly misleading with respect to particular situations. But comparisons like the one by MBD can be a useful data point--certainly not meaningless. Can I recommend Viktor Frankl's A Man's Search for Meaning to you?

 

[melstew]

This is Purdue's schedule for the final six weeks. In case ND fans would like to switch places.

# 2 Oregon
Northwestern
# 4 Ohio State
# 3 Penn State
Michigan State
# 16 Indiana

That is tough. Definitely, definitely, definitely don't want to switch places with Purdue. Ever.

 

[mbd11]

And Buffalo beat NIU, so does that mean Buffalo would beat ND? No it does not. So comparing what Penn State did with a common opponent to NIU is irrelevant, It's meaningless.

But it's not meaningless that NIU has the #5 defense in the country in total yards. That's for half a season, not just one game.

 

[savvyandsassier]

This is Purdue's schedule for the final six weeks. In case ND fans would like to switch places.

# 2 Oregon
Northwestern
# 4 Ohio State
# 3 Penn State
Michigan State
# 16 Indiana

Yeah, the Big Ten's catching up.

 

[savvyandsassier]

But it's not meaningless that NIU has the #5 defense in the country in total yards. That's for half a season, not just one game.

I guess we got something good for the committee then, huh? I mean we did lose the game, but hey, we ain't showing up to this thing empty handed. We can plead our case!

 

[melstew]

I guess we got something good for the committee then, huh? I mean we did lose the game, but hey, we ain't showing up to this thing empty handed. We can plead our case!

Haha. Maybe not something good. But perhaps enough to trade in the death penalty for life without parole.

 

[mbd11]

I guess we got something good for the committee then, huh? I mean we did lose the game, but hey, we ain't showing up to this thing empty handed. We can plead our case!

We probably need to go 11-1 regardless.

 

[NDinNJ]

This is Purdue's schedule for the final six weeks. In case ND fans would like to switch places.

# 2 Oregon
Northwestern
# 4 Ohio State
# 3 Penn State
Michigan State
# 16 Indiana

No one cares about Purdue, 66-7

 

[NDinNJ]

But it's not meaningless that NIU has the #5 defense in the country in total yards. That's for half a season, not just one game.

It's totally meaningless because NIU is in a conference that is a step below the P4 conferences. For a G5 defense yes they have a good defense, but if they played a schedule full of P4 opponents, I highly doubt their defense would be top 50 let alone top 5.

 

[mbd11]

It's totally meaningless because NIU is in a conference that is a step below the P4 conferences. For a G5 defense yes they have a good defense, but if they played a schedule full of P4 opponents, I highly doubt their defense would be top 50 let alone top 5.

But at this point of the season, many P4 teams have 2 or 3 G5 games among their 6 games so far. While NIU has played 2 P4 teams. So the schedule disparity isn't that big at this point.

And BTW they also held BGU to fewer yards than Texas A&M did, as well as Penn State. Both of those teams only beat BGU by one score.

 

[NDinNJ]

But at this point of the season, many P4 teams have 2 or 3 G5 games among their 6 games so far. While NIU has played 2 P4 teams. So the schedule disparity isn't that big at this point.

And BTW they also held BGU to fewer yards than Texas A&M did, as well as Penn State. Both of those teams only beat BGU by one score.

Again transitive statistics and scores are meaningless. As I stated earlier Buffalo beat NIU, so does this translate to Buffalo beating ND if they played?

 

[FightingIrish44]

Again transitive statistics and scores are meaningless. As I stated earlier Buffalo beat NIU, so does this translate to Buffalo beating ND if they played?

A defense can be good with lesser athletes. A defense can be bad with better athletes. NIU is likely the former.

How did ND’s defense do from 2014-2016 with their superior athletes? Suddenly they were pretty good in 2017 with roughly the same athletes. It didn’t matter that they played for “Notre Dame”. They just weren’t good from 2014-2016.

I disagree with your assertion that NIU’s performance after ND is meaningless. No, the Buffalo win over NIU doesn’t mean that Buffalo would beat ND, but there’s still data/information to be taken from the game.

 

[mbd11]

Again transitive statistics and scores are meaningless. As I stated earlier Buffalo beat NIU, so does this translate to Buffalo beating ND if they played?

It's a half season of data, with schedules that aren't that different, since P4 teams were playing a lot of OOC games against G5s early in the season.

They have a good defense.

 

[tbonesays]

It's a half season of data, with schedules that aren't that different, since P4 teams were playing a lot of OOC games against G5s early in the season.

They have a good defense.

Do we know if BGSU also tried to run a square peg offense into a round hole?

 

[sjb75]

The idea that LSU's remaining schedule is a grind is a great example of how previous years distort our view of the current year. Let's look at it team by team:

Arkansas: lost to its only OOC opponent with a pulse, OK State. The Cowboys have since gone 0-3 in the Big 12.

A&M: lost to its only OOC opponent with a pulse, Notre Dame. They've sure looked impressive inside their SEC games though!

Bama: Genuinely impressive OOC win @ Wisconsin plus blowout victories against cupcake OOC opponents. No argument that this is a top level game for LSU.

Fla: Got thrashed by Miami (who struggled mightily to get past Va Tech & Cal) but has a decent OOC win vs Central Florida.

Vandy: No question Clark Lea has them playing like a real team rather than an SEC doormat after victories over Bama & Kentucky. But how do you explain a loss to Georgia State, who is currently 0-2 vs the Sun Belt?

Oklahoma: Got outplayed by (currently 2-4) Houston on the stat sheet. Had a respectable win over Tulane.

If you don't start with the assumption that the SEC must be superior to other conferences this year, it's pretty clear that you can't justify the conclusion that the SEC is superior to other conferences this year.

Starting with Texas, Georgia, and Alabama, add Tennessee, TAM, Mississippi, and LSU, there is no better conference in CFB than the SEC.

 

[NDinNJ]

Starting with Texas, Georgia, and Alabama, add Tennessee, TAM, Mississippi, and LSU, there is no better conference in CFB than the SEC.

If ND was ever painted into a corner and they were forced to join a conference, joining the SEC would be the ultimate coup.

1. Recruiting, with major exposure all over the south.

2. The ultimate FU to the BIG.

 

[FightingIrish44]

If ND was ever painted into a corner and they were forced to join a conference, joining the SEC would be the ultimate coup.

1. Recruiting, with major exposure all over the south.

2. The ultimate FU to the BIG.

If forced to join, I want the SEC. It’s important to get espn on ND’s side in this scenario.

 

[sjb75]

If ND was ever painted into a corner and they were forced to join a conference, joining the SEC would be the ultimate coup.

1. Recruiting, with major exposure all over the south.

2. The ultimate FU to the BIG.

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After the first 7 teams you then have Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, and Florida, who has unquestionably the toughest schedule in the country. and Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and South Carolina are considered SEC cupcakes.

 

[NDinNJ]

If forced to join, I want the SEC. It’s important to get espn on ND’s side in this scenario.

Plus as an added bonus, 6 SEC teams would have to travel north to play ND in South Bend each year.

 

[Quix0te]

If forced to join . . .

1. No one will force ND to join a conference.
2. ND is contractually oblicaged to join the ACC if the Irish join a conference before 2027.

 

[melstew]

1. No one will force ND to join a conference.
2. ND is contractually oblicaged to join the ACC if the Irish join a conference before 2027.

I was not aware of the 2027 restriction. That is interesting. Were you able to find some thing that effectively summarizes the ACC contract? If so, I would be interested in a quick review.

 

[NDinNJ]

I was not aware of the 2027 restriction. That is interesting. Were you able to find some thing that effectively summarizes the ACC contract? If so, I would be interested in a quick review.

He's talking out of his a$$.

 

[NDinNJ]

1. No one will force ND to join a conference.
2. ND is contractually oblicaged to join the ACC if the Irish join a conference before 2027.

It's been stated by Swarbrick and Bevacqua, Notre Dame will remain Independent as long as these items are in place:

1. Path to national championship - check
2. Deal with NBC - check
3. Scheduling teams - check

 

[Quix0te]

I was not aware of the 2027 restriction. That is interesting. Were you able to find some thing that effectively summarizes the ACC contract? If so, I would be interested in a quick review.

Oops, my mistake. The date is 2037, not 2027. Part of the deal that Swarbrick signed with the ACC stipulates that if ND joins a conference during the span of the contract, it will be the ACC. That contract is thre 2036, just like the GOR, Olympic sports and 5-game football scheduling. Here, read it for yourself:

"Phillips noted during his news conference Wednesday, "Who knows where the future's going to go. You always have to be ready to add. Notre Dame, contractually, if they were to join a conference, would join the ACC. That's where we're at. We'll see where this goes."

ACC looks to prioritize football in marketing

Commissioner Jim Phillips also said the ACC will want to revisit talks with the NCAA about nixing the requirement for divisions at some point in the future.

www.espn.com

 

[NDinNJ]

Oops, my mistake. The date is 2037, not 2027. Part of the deal that Swarbrick signed with the ACC stipulates that if ND joins a conference during the span of the contract, it will be the ACC. That contract is thre 2036, just like the GOR, Olympic sports and 5-game football scheduling.

The GOR has no bearing on football, ND has its own TV and media rights deal. Football is the cash cow of the athletic department. Basically ND can tell the ACC to go scratch if they wanted to, and pay them a far lower payout to get out of that contract than say full members FSU or Clemson.

 

[Holycrossover3]

It's been stated by Swarbrick and Bevacqua, Notre Dame will remain Independent as long as these items are in place:

1. Path to national championship - check
2. Deal with NBC - check
3. Scheduling teams - check

Did you see the deal BIG and SEC are working on to play eachother every year? That’s another week we can’t schedule these conferences. Do you really enjoy scheduling ACC opponents and whoever is left?

I mean for God’s sake we had to add ANOTHER service academy this year.

 

[Quix0te]

It's been stated by Swarbrick and Bevacqua, Notre Dame will remain Independent as long as these items are in place:

3. Scheduling teams - check

Perhaps you were unaware that USC is dropping ND

The GOR has no bearing on football, ND has its own TV and media rights deal. Football is the cash cow of the athletic department. Basically ND can tell the ACC to go scratch if they wanted to, and pay them a far lower payout to get out of that contract than say full members FSU or Clemson.

You do not understand. Like the other ACC schools, ND would have a GOR buyout and an exit fee. I agree, that would probably be less for ND compared to, say, FSU or Clemson.

But ND also has a contractual agreement stating that if they join a conference before 2037, it will be the ACC. Breech of that contractual agreement is not quantified in dollar penalties but if ND broke it, the ACC would be fully justified to sue for billions of dollars. And indeed, their loss of TV revenue in football/hoops for ten or twelve years plus the insult - why not sue for $10 billion?

 

[Golson5]

Perhaps you were unaware that USC is dropping ND

You do not understand. Like the other ACC schools, ND would have a GOR buyout and an exit fee. I agree, that would probably be less for ND compared to, say, FSU or Clemson.

But ND also has a contractual agreement stating that if they join a conference before 2037, it will be the ACC. Breech of that contractual agreement is not quantified in dollar penalties but if ND broke it, the ACC would be fully justified to sue for billions of dollars. And indeed, their loss of TV revenue in football/hoops for ten or twelve years plus the insult - why not sue for $10 billion?

You're obsessed

 

[NDinNJ]

Perhaps you were unaware that USC is dropping ND

You do not understand. Like the other ACC schools, ND would have a GOR buyout and an exit fee. I agree, that would probably be less for ND compared to, say, FSU or Clemson.

But ND also has a contractual agreement stating that if they join a conference before 2037, it will be the ACC. Breech of that contractual agreement is not quantified in dollar penalties but if ND broke it, the ACC would be fully justified to sue for billions of dollars. And indeed, their loss of TV revenue in football/hoops for ten or twelve years plus the insult - why not sue for $10 billion?

ND will be hosting USC in October 2027


As for the ACC agreement, ND is not going to be dumb enough to announce a move to another conference prior to exiting the ACC. They'll exit the ACC first then move. It won't happen anyway, ND will remain Independent.

66-7

 

[Quix0te]

As for the ACC agreement, ND is not going to be dumb enough to announce a move to another conference prior to exiting the ACC. They'll exit the ACC first then move.

Do you understand legal contracts? It doesn't make any difference if ND exits the ACC, then joins another conference. That would violate the contract and the ACC would sue ND.

 

[NDinNJ]

Do you understand legal contracts? It doesn't make any difference if ND exits the ACC, then joins another conference. That would violate the contract and the ACC would sue ND.

You clearly don't. If ND negotiated an exit and paid whatever fees to exit, they would then be free to join any conference they wish. Again, this is entirely moot because ND will remain independent.

 

[Quix0te]

If ND negotiated an exit and paid whatever fees to exit, they would then be free to join any conference they wish.

Swarbrick signed a contract that said if ND joins a conference prior to 2037, it will be the ACC. Period. It doesn't matter if ND exits the ACC first. ND cannot join ANY conference other than the ACC.

 

[NDinNJ]

Swarbrick signed a contract that said if ND joins a conference prior to 2037, it will be the ACC. Period. It doesn't matter if ND exits the ACC first. ND cannot join ANY conference other than the ACC.

Wow, talk about stupid. If ND exits the ACC and there's a payout to do so, ND is exiting the contract therefore the contract is then NULL AND VOID. ND would no longer be obligated to that contract. You clearly don't understand contracts and early exits from contracts.

Again doesn't matter, ND will remain Independent. Now go back to your Purdue forum. 66-7

 

[savvyandsassier]

Do you understand legal contracts? It doesn't make any difference if ND exits the ACC, then joins another conference. That would violate the contract and the ACC would sue ND.

Well then they'll just working something out. Because promises are made to be broken. For F's sake.

 

[Quix0te]

Well then they'll just working something out. Because promises are made to be broken. For F's sake.

Can you dumb that down so that NDinNJ understands it? It's not a promise, it's a legal contract. And the ACC schools would be in a nasty mood so it wouldn’t be cheap.

 

[Golson5]

Can you dumb that down so that NDinNJ understands it? It's not a promise, it's a legal contract. And the ACC schools would be in a nasty mood so it wouldn’t be cheap.

We could afford it. We'll be fine regardless

 

[Quix0te]

If ND exits the ACC and there's a payout to do so, ND is exiting the contract therefore the contract

There is no such thing as "exiting the contract." If ND exits the ACC conference, the contract remains in effect for the duration of the terms therein. You are babbling pseudo-legal gibberish.

 

[NDSMC78]

There is no such thing as "exiting the contract." If ND exits the ACC conference, the contract remains in effect for the duration of the terms therein. You are babbling pseudo-legal gibberish.

Imagine this poster complaining about babbling. The irony.

 

[NDinNJ]

There is no such thing as "exiting the contract." If ND exits the ACC conference, the contract remains in effect for the duration of the terms therein. You are babbling pseudo-legal gibberish.

Contracts are broken all the time. You are a fool. there will be negotiations to exit if comes to that and ND would pay a fee to end the contract and leave the ACC. Are you that dense.

That's what happened with Maryland when they left the ACC in 2012, it happened with Texas and Oklahoma to be released contractually from the Big12, and it happened with the PAC12 teams that left for the Big10 to be released contractually from the PAC12

They all paid exit fees to be released from their contracts with the conference.

I can't help it if you are too stupid to understand contracts can be ripped up and voided if both parties come to an agreement to end said contract or settle in court if it goes there.

Read below: Contracts were ripped up early in the case of Texas and Oklahoma.

"The University of Texas was contractually obligated to remain in the Big 12 until the end of the 2024-25 school year:

Contractual obligations
Texas and Oklahoma were founding members of the Big 12 and were contractually bound to remain in the league until the end of the 2024-25 school year.

Early withdrawal
However, Texas and Oklahoma agreed to an early withdrawal from the Big 12 in exchange for paying $100 million in compensation:

The compensation was for foregone distributable revenues.

The money was distributed to the Big 12's eight legacy members.

The compensation was intended to offset a $5–$8 million reduction in revenue distribution for the 2024 season."

 

[tbonesays]

If forced to join, I want the SEC. It’s important to get espn on ND’s side in this scenario.

IF we are forced it means there is no longer an ACC.

Contracts are broken all the time. You are a fool. there will be negotiations to exit if comes to that and ND would pay a fee to end the contract and leave the ACC. Are you that dense.

That's what happened with Maryland when they left the ACC in 2012, it happened with Texas and Oklahoma to be released contractually from the Big12, and it happened with the PAC12 teams that left for the Big10 to be released contractually from the PAC12

They all paid exit fees to be released from their contracts with the conference.

I can't help it if you are too stupid to understand contracts can be ripped up and voided if both parties come to an agreement to end said contract or settle in court if it goes there.

Read below: Contracts were ripped up early in the case of Texas and Oklahoma.

"The University of Texas was contractually obligated to remain in the Big 12 until the end of the 2024-25 school year:

Contractual obligations
Texas and Oklahoma were founding members of the Big 12 and were contractually bound to remain in the league until the end of the 2024-25 school year.

Early withdrawal
However, Texas and Oklahoma agreed to an early withdrawal from the Big 12 in exchange for paying $100 million in compensation:

The compensation was for foregone distributable revenues.

The money was distributed to the Big 12's eight legacy members.

The compensation was intended to offset a $5–$8 million reduction in revenue distribution for the 2024 season."

For the contractual obligations, the departing school hands over some apology money and leaves. No one has tried to break a full GOR though