How much is Notre Dame tuition, room, board, food?
How much is a ND degree worth over the graduate's lifetime?
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How much is a ND degree worth over the graduate's lifetime?
For the same reason Jaylon Smith didn't.
Why not re-pay Jaylon Smith the 40 million he lost wrecking his knee in a bowl game.
But it's not your money, so who cares, correct.
Why should you give a shit?
No, a scholarship is not a payment. It is not taxed as a payment. No doubt it has value, but a lot of things that have value are not compensation.
And if any school tried to do what you propose, that school would soon find that no players wanted to go there.
Why are you here on a discussion board if you're going to just try to shut down discussion with where other's opinions come from? I'm not the subject here. Please try to stick to the subject.
Smith has earned $32 million so far. Every player is at risk of career ending injury (on and off the field) at any moment. Should Smith have chosen not to play his entire senior season on order to avoid injury?
It's not your money, so who cares, right?
Why should you give a shit about a player's future earnings, right?
I certainly don't disagree that schools that would try this would find no players. That doesn't change the basic justification of the subject.
Of course a scholarship is payment. Just because it is not taxed doesn't mean it is not payment. If players had to pay to play, they wouldn't come. You've basically just admitted that. Therefore, the payment they DON'T make is payment to them.
Thankfully, very very few rational people would even consider expecting Michael Mayer to play against South Carolina.
Vocal Minority is all that you are.
"How much is Notre Dame tuition, room, board, food?
How much is a ND degree worth over the graduate's lifetime?"
But, if he chooses to NOT exercise that option, what does he need to pay back? When he signs his scholarship, he has accrued 4 years worth of college education (along with room and board) -- after 3 years, he has cashed on on 3 of them -- so, he has used so far what he has accrued -- and still has not utilized his 4th (likewise, the university has only expensed 3 years of this as well) -- since he is not using the 4th -- who owes who what? The university may have committed to 4 years, but they have not expensed 4 years yet.
And, who is to say that he will not finish his degree (I think Jerome Bettis -- and many other guys), ultimately get their degrees -- the degree is only worth the field you are using it for (or to begin your professional life).
Conversely, does a kid who gets a 4 year academic scholarship and decides to "quit" school after 3 to pursue his dream job need to "repay" the 4th year of his academic scholarship back?
raycyrx will be emailing Isaiah Foskey asking for compensation.
That's your opinion, that yes you are entitled to. But that's all it is, your opinion
No, receiving a scholarship is not compensation. And a scholarship is not payment. It is not looked upon by the law as compensation, or payment, or it would be taxed.
Even in an employment situation, an employee can leave in the middle of an employment contract. And while that employee an be prohibited from working for a competitor, he or she cannot be made to return payment for past wages paid.
We are not getting anywhere in this discussion. I think it is fruitless to continue.
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And thankfully, most rational people feel the same about Isaiah Foskey and Michael Mayer.
There are always outliers.
I'm quite confident I'm a rational person; and I don't agree with players turning their backs on their teammates. You can disagree, thats fine, your entitled. But insulting others doesn't show you to be as rational as you might think you are. To that I would say you should considering growing up.
How do you pay back monies that you have not yet received?
"I'm quite confident I'm a rational person; and I don't agree with players turning their backs on their teammates"
Do you think their teammates feel as though they (Mayer/Foskey) are turning their back on them?
People need to stop inserting their morality, however correct it is, into today's youth. Bottom line they are not the same. And in many ways it's very sad for them, even if unbeknwonst. But it ain't changing until those that have the power to change it. And the only thing you can do is overtly celebrate guys who make selfless decisions.
Not involve myself in decisions that I have no power to change. Bottom line I don't agree with it. But I realize that it's out of my control. Also stop talking about Smith. He made his money. I posted it above. He still got 7 million and a 3 million signing bonus and three years later a 64 million dollar contract.
The injury to Jaylon Smith cost him millions.
It's not your money, why should you care, correct.
You are wrong. It didn't cost him. He got the same contract he would have had except three years later. he played for two years on the first contract then renegotiated.
You're talking to the wrong guy. I actually research and read. Your bullshit claims that Jaylon Smith did not lose anything are patently absurd.
Yet I posted "research". the real problem here is that YOU refuse to just move on. YOU spend countless hours on here beating dead horse after dead horse to the point where someone needs to call PETA on your ass! YOU enjoy constantly being the contrarian on just about every topic.
If you are going to insist on saying that Jaylon Smith lost nothing after his injury, expect a response.
It IS certainly fruitless to continue if you don't recognize the fact that an athletic scholarship is compensation for playing a sport for a school.
As I said, they should pay back for their final year at school. In Mayer's case, that would be for this year, not next year because (as you observe) he has not received his fourth year of education.
It is not compensation, no matter how many times you claim that it is. Or, in
Just because you declare it doesn't make it so. And you are pretty much a lone voice in the wilderness calling for players who play 33 regular season games to pay back a year of tuition because they sit out a meaningless bowl game. But go on right ahead thinking that.
What “selfless” decisions? Easy to play some sort of pretend morality when it’s not your money or future on the line.
Not necessarily true. I once turned down a job overseas on a 2 year agreement where if I left early or was fired, I would have been required to pay back relocation costs, language training and room and board compensation. Not the salary but the potential penalties of paying back the language training alone was extremely steep. I agree with you on this but just pointing out total compensation/benefits can be structured to be paid back if the term is not fulfilled.
Agreed.
If this bowl game is meaningless, then all games after the loss to Marshall were meaningless and such players should have retired then rather than risk injury.
