Just because its meaningless doesn't mean I don't watch. I still love the game and its entertaining. Thanks for the advice though.
Michael Mayer Declares For NFL Draft.
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I'm as rational as they come, and while I understand the ugly trend of sitting it out, I don't agree with it. There is no question that players who are not injured are in fact letting their team, teammates down. It's an opinion that most rational people fo understand. Not at all sure why that is so difficult for you to comprehend. It is their decision, yes; but at the same time they are letting their team down. Pretty simple really.
It's not your financial future, so why should you care.
"Pretty simple, really."
why are you so obtuse, of course it's not our financial future but it's the school and program we love.
why should we not care when top players quit the team before the season is over?
There's a huge difference between not caring and understanding. I understand why he's doing it but it's also quitting on the team.
If the only way you would finish the season is if ND went to CFP then there was no reason for these players to continuing playing after Marshall, other than individual accolades. This is two years in a row that two of our captains are quitting before the season is over. I get it, but I don't like it for the school and program.
Get Nasty has it wrong, your not obtuse, you're just juvenile or stupid, or perhaps both. The facts are the facts; the decision is theirs, but they are quitting on the team. Again, I'm not at all sure why this is so difficult for you, other than being juvenile or stupid
You need to find a different argument because this one is old and worn out. If you can’t see that he is quitting on his teammates then there is no hope for you. You know both arguments can be true at the same time.
Golson, if some posters are going to pontificate and sit on their bully pulpit and tell us that Michael Mayer is quitting on the team, then I will repond as i see fit.
I LFMAO every time I read that.
2 things can be true at the same time. I think that's the part you arent getting
1. Michael Mayer made the best decision for him and his future. He is making the smart move long term. And I would have advised him to do the same. And I would have sit out this game if I was in his situation.
2. He is quitting on the team. Not that any of his teammates nor I would ever have a problem with it. He has given everything to this team from day 1
So, 2 things can be true here.
And its okay. We get to see more of Staes and Evans which should help them going into next year. And hopefully we get to see more of 11 personnel where we arent so reliant on the TE and get more speed on the field.
I think it's really a win win here
The bowls have recruiting value and extend the season and reward the players who love to play football
It's not my financial future, why should I care about Michael Mayer.
"Hey, take out insurance."
Only a coward and a fraud would refuse to answer my questions.
You’ve made it abundantly clear that you are a coward and a fraud !
"Never wrestle with a pig. You just get dirty, and the pig enjoys it."
"Hey Michael Mayer, take out insurance."---Patrirish.
LMFAO.
But why do you give a shit about being morally right on this issue? Why don't you just shrug your shoulders? It's fairly small potatoes in the grand scheme of things, and I think most people would agree with that too. But you seem to want to use this trend as a means to single people out for blame and condemnation. And you're being very aggressive about it. I know you're a ND alum, and that's how you guys are. But can you back off, and let it go?
Well it's certainly small potatoes compared to, say, thermonuclear war. But since this forum is about Notre Dame football, it seems this trend is relevant to discuss.
Your attempt to divert and avoid answering my questions falls on deaf ears.
You’re a coward and a fraud who’s afraid to be intellectually honest !
That’s pretty pathetic, as are you !
“ I know you’re a ND alum, and that’s how you guys are.” ?
So all ND alums are the same ? We’re all alike ?
All ND alums are “aggressive” ?
You have a habit of generalizing and collectivizing when you counter someone else’s opinion.
Only a moron engages in generalizing and putting every ND alum in the same category.
As for me I was aggressive long before I entered ND ! 😜
Well we're six pages into it, and this guy's repeated himself about thirty times by now. And just as repugnantly pompous and petulant and soulless as the first time he expressed his sorry-ass opinions.
And it's small potatoes by any measure, even if you limited yourself only to sports related topics.
While I do agree with you in a sense, I'm afraid the game is changing for the worse my friend. The game is about money more now than ever.
I like the bowls. They're festive and most of the time fun to watch. But since the playoffs... they certainly are losing their luster and prestigious feel. I hope the expanded playoffs can restore some of that with a sense of urgency in the games.
What will be interesting to see is how these kids treat these games with the expansion of the playoffs. If ND was in the top 12 this year... would Mayer play? Makes ya wonder... I mean if ND is facing a potential three extra post season games, and three more chances to for these kids to get torn up and lose out on an NFL contract... that really makes the decision harder in my eyes.
"What will be interesting to see is how these kids treat these games with the expansion of the playoffs. If ND was in the top 12 this year... would Mayer play?"
With a chance to win a championship, I think they all play.
“No Value”
Those scholarship athletes come to college to play football.
You don’t quit just because you’re not playing for the National championship, they play because they love the game.
Ask the Tulane players if playing in the Cotton Bowl had no value for them
But that’s what you strive for when you apply to a college and accept their scholarship offer.
They didn’t come to sit on the bench or to sit out selective games, they came to play
Who wouldn‘t want to play in the playoffs ?
I think playoffs will always involve all players. But I think the era of bowl games is coming to a close. They've become grotesquely commercial anyways. I can't blame NFL bound players for becoming as cynical, as what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
I think college football is at an inflection point of becoming fully semipro, with lots of transfer volatility as a large pool of players vs a tiny pool with NFL potential pursue max earnings. But this mercenary approach may backfire. I for one won't spend money on semipro clowns who have no real affiliation to a university.
For all the sins of the past, at least the football coaches, staff, and players were part of the school. Producing a pageantry and tradition. That will die if volatility persists. Even elite brands are fearful, listen to Nick Saban on the matter. Mind you, he makes millions while so many athletes get used and discarded...as most don't make the NFL and get degrees of no value.
It remains to be seen if college football fans will support this. Again, I won't spend a dime on it. I still have the USA and Croatian soccer national teams...where players actually strive for country.
College football set itself up for failure. Finally, maybe I'm a fool and fans will eat this up? Wanting quantity of entertainment over quality and legitimacy of play as student-athletes?
Who the hell am I kidding. Of course they do. Most college football fans seem like they didn't attend college. Much less the teams they root for. Forgive me, I'm stereotyping SEC fans. 😉 Just had too, since their schools pushed hard for all this.
I hope you got more in your chamber than that. A threat that you, as a fan, will vote with your dollars and so the powers that be ought to be leery before they indulge these spoiled athletes any further, lest they kill the golden goose....
Because that is a joke. A literal LOL joke. No CFB fan is going anywhere, and that includes you. It's pretty much an insult to one's intelligence, that's how stupid and fatuous such idle intimidation really is. And the NCAA already tried that, incredibly, and were emphatically shot down 9-0 by a far-right, pro-business, pro-establishment Supreme Court. Even old boy responded by saying the argument was so stupid, and so devoid of any legalistic substance I guess you'd say, that I believe his actual words were close to 'Give me an argument'.... to the NCAA's lawyers....
So the idea that fans like CFB just the way it is, with all of its naked and illegal exploitation has no legal heft whatsoever. That's been established. Indubitably. And the notion that you'll just have to vote with your wallets as they say, if the courts won't do your dirty work for you, and stop watching the games altogether, is a joke. Even more of a joke. And what it says about the moral character of CFB fans who hold with that sentiment, you don't want to know, I'll spare you that....
All good points everyone.
I've always loved the traditions, pageantry and history of college football. Especially back when the bowls meant something and winning the Rose Bowl, etc was a very big deal. Hence while I am not an ND grad as some of you, I've always been drawn to the university and what its stood for, even at a young age.
I think/hope, that the playoffs will make these bowls even more meaningful for players and fans alike. I hope we can look at it like... "we didn't make it to the very top of the mountain this year, but we're "insert bowl" champs in the process... That should mean something to all these kids and fans.
But I still wonder how many kids, without something in writing, will look at these bowls/playoffs with the same lens. If they're a projected number one round pick, and their team is in the playoffs, do they risk their future? I would like to think they would play for their team and university, but I think we all know some will not. Not without some type of contract in place beforehand. Like it or not, CFB is a business and its quickly becoming semi pro ball with this NIL nonsense.
Which brings me to that final statement... I think the playoffs will be good for the sport, it sure is popular in college basketball. I think the biggest concern is this NIL nonsense.
I've always loved the traditions, pageantry and history of college football. Especially back when the bowls meant something and winning the Rose Bowl, etc was a very big deal. Hence while I am not an ND grad as some of you, I've always been drawn to the university and what its stood for, even at a young age.
I think/hope, that the playoffs will make these bowls even more meaningful for players and fans alike. I hope we can look at it like... "we didn't make it to the very top of the mountain this year, but we're "insert bowl" champs in the process... That should mean something to all these kids and fans.
But I still wonder how many kids, without something in writing, will look at these bowls/playoffs with the same lens. If they're a projected number one round pick, and their team is in the playoffs, do they risk their future? I would like to think they would play for their team and university, but I think we all know some will not. Not without some type of contract in place beforehand. Like it or not, CFB is a business and its quickly becoming semi pro ball with this NIL nonsense.
Which brings me to that final statement... I think the playoffs will be good for the sport, it sure is popular in college basketball. I think the biggest concern is this NIL nonsense.
A 12 or 16-team playoff is obviously going to be awesome for CFB. That's just a no-brainer....
As far as NIL and transferring, well..... figure out way to get some collective bargaining going, so that rules can be put in place that mgt. AND labor can agree to, and then bring some order to the whole business. But unilateral arbitrary rules being laid down by 'the man', at their discretion and for their benefit and their pleasure, as much as CFB fans crave it, ain't gonna get it done....
As far as NIL and transferring, well..... figure out way to get some collective bargaining going, so that rules can be put in place that mgt. AND labor can agree to, and then bring some order to the whole business. But unilateral arbitrary rules being laid down by 'the man', at their discretion and for their benefit and their pleasure, as much as CFB fans crave it, ain't gonna get it done....
It's not semi-pro, its minor league football, abd the transfer portal is free agency. Let's call it what it already is. You think the 19 mercenaries that USC brought in are actual student athletes? No way, they are paid free agents, nothing more. CFB is practically speaking, dead
Please. I'm speaking for myself and not out of moral, legal, and social conviction. And yes, I practice what I preach, not paying beyond cable and Peacock to watch...and this too might stop if the worser case I discussed comes to pass.
Some fans as I said won't mind whatever farce is served up. I see it in global soccer with foolish extra games and tournaments packed with undeserving teams just to draw more fans and more revenue. FIFA World Cup will have 48 teams instead of the usual 32, hosted by the USA, Mexico, and Canada in 2026.
Guess college football is taking a page from all this. Again, I didn't assert doom. Just some thoughts on the more negative outcomes. I just won't watch if it becomes semipro athletes with an utterly nominal association to the university. And by the way, this is exactly what soccer gets right...for all the corruption of FIFA, which makes the NCAAF look like saints, at least they don't have any pretensions about a so called student-athlete ideal.
In soccer, you basically go pro in 1st year HS, sports over academics to roll the dice. Baseball at least has the farm leagues in a similar setup. Hockey too. I'm not sure how in these sports colleges compare vs semipro in producing pros.
And what it says about the moral character of CFB fans who hold with that sentiment, you don't want to know, I'll spare you that....
I'll bite. What is this great moral revelation. Honestly, I have no idea what you are alluding too.
It's that last sentence. I agree playoffs will command the player to show up, mitigating opt outs.
But as you noted, none of us know how transfers and NIL will impact team stability.
Maybe it won't, maybe it will.
I stand by one thing: if it becomes semipro, losing the pageantry and affiliation to the university as a student athletes, I most likely bail...leaving to it to moral crowd as @savvyandsassier seems to imply.
I'm an immoral heathen. A proponent of ND adopting NIL, transfers, and a progressive, remedial degree path for academically challenged athletes....with the aim of keeping and graduating them over 4 years as a Catholic, social, academic, and committed athletic tradition and mission. This calls for Scarlett Letters and burning at the stakes!
What is disappointing is the simple fact that MM is a top 10 pick, but Brock kid from UGA won the best TE in the country. BB is a glorified Wide out playing tight end. ND has wide outs the same size. I would feel severely violated if I was him, but MM has a ND degree and will make more millions then BB in their first contract. Whoever heard of an NFL TE weighing in at 230lbs. He cannot play on running downs or he will get run over by the likes of TJ Watt and company . Purely one dimensional compared to MM closing in at 270 lbs. NFL teams would be better off recruiting a big receiver than BB, but BB plays on the best team in the country .
Because it's effed up! I mean, obviously, there's no arguing it anymore. It's egregious.....Please. I'm speaking for myself and not out of moral, legal, and social conviction. And yes, I practice what I preach, not paying beyond cable and Peacock to watch...and this too might stop if the worser case I discussed comes to pass.
Some fans as I said won't mind whatever farce is served up. I see it in global soccer with foolish extra games and tournaments packed with undeserving teams just to draw more fans and more revenue. FIFA World Cup will have 48 teams instead of the usual 32, hosted by the USA, Mexico, and Canada in 2026.
Guess college football is taking a page from all this. Again, I didn't assert doom. Just some thoughts on the more negative outcomes. I just won't watch if it becomes semipro athletes with an utterly nominal association to the university. And by the way, this is exactly what soccer gets right...for all the corruption of FIFA, which makes the NCAAF look like saints, at least they don't have any pretensions about a so called student-athlete ideal.
In soccer, you basically go pro in 1st year HS, sports over academics to roll the dice. Baseball at least has the farm leagues in a similar setup. Hockey too. I'm not sure how in these sports colleges compare vs semipro in producing pros.
And what it says about the moral character of CFB fans who hold with that sentiment, you don't want to know, I'll spare you that....
I'll bite. What is this great moral revelation. Honestly, I have no idea what you are alluding too.
Sorry to be this self-righteous, but come on now. There's no need for any fan to feel personally guilty or some shit like that. I certainly don't and was a fan all those years players were being.... so disserved by a corrupt and absurdly unjust as well as illegal arrangement. But it is incumbent now on all fans, I would say, to leave that past behind and get on board. The old system was an iniquity, it absolutely was. Push ND, as a fan or an alum, to get on the proverbial right side of history, and to do so with gusto. You do not want to be clinging to the old plantation paradigm....
