Max is such a disappointment
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Kelly really needs to beat O$U. People can argue about how good of a coach he is but, IMO, Kelly and ND cannot reach that upper echelon until they beat a good opponent in a major bowl.I still LOVE Lou Holtz for all he did for ND.........BK's gotta win the NC the get to that level of "ND Coach-man worship" with me.
It's been over 20 years since ND beat a quality opponent in a major bowl. Kelly has never done it. This is a huge game for Kelly and ND.
not a major bowl but lsu last year was definitely a quality opponent. i live in ohio. not much excitement about the game from the osu fan base.
No, everyone that knew college football. If they were viewed as a good team they would not have been playing in the Music City Bowl. A meaningless bowl watched only by fans of the teams.
Pure melodrama -- ND had a Top Ten team this year w a freshman QB , Fr TE, Fr RB and a depleted secondary . They will have a top 10 recruiting class - mission accomplished
BTW for centered fans without a toxic agenda ND was 2 plays away from 12-0 -given injuries that is pretty good in my book . BTW Kelly is not playing tomorrow the players are . Kelly has earned his stripes - tomorrow is gravy .
Upper echelon ??? 10-2 2 2 pt losses vs #1 and #6 team in the country on the road w a depleted roster - Top 10 recruiting class -- that is as high level as it gets . Any coach in the country would see that as " upper echelon " only surfers of the message boards would not .
Bodizephax
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Not so fast my friend. LSU was loaded with NFL talent in 2014. They lost to Alabama in OT in which they should have won in regulation. They also beat Ole Miss, Wisconsin, and Texas A&M. Still the SEC. The Irish victory over LSU excited all the college football experts who ranked the Irish in the top ten to open 2015.
LSU was a good team w/o a QB. For LSU it was not one of the better teams, but any team with Fournette is a formidable opponent.
Well, ND was actually ranked 11th in both the AP and coaches preseason pool but your point is still valid. That said I think ND received the ranking because they had just about every starter returning.
My point is nobody, viewed LSU as a top 10 team at the end of the year, heck they weren't even a top 15 team. If I'm mistaken they were not even a top 25 team heading into the bowl.
IMO, ND and Kelly needs to beat a top team in a top bowl game to reach that next level of being elite.
It really is. I have stated here many times how well I think Kelly has done recruiting every year. That said, recruiting becomes much easier if kids view you as elite and a playoff contender every year.
I have followed recruiting for years and, IMO, there are 3 major areas that kids focus on when they pick a school (not in any order; Academics, Football and Fun. ND is always going to lose on the 'Fun' part and there isn't anything to be done about that. ND will always win on the 'Academics' part. What ND needs to do is win on the 'Football' part and that means being a consistent 10 win, playoff contender that beats other elite programs.
I tend to agree. I haven't been impressed with O$U this year and I think too many of their players have already checked out of college and into the NFL.
Hopefully, Kelly has worked with BVG during this time to tweak the defense.
Just one more for 25,000 - will you save it for the new year or bring it on when the ball drops in Times Sq ?
Bodizephax
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I believe the Irish had there chance this year for the big win against Clemson and Stanford but blew it. They were more meaningful games then the coming exhibition against Ohio State.
Injuries killed the Irish this year ! We would be undefeated this year I believe with even half the injuries.
Irish didn't blow anything - they were simply outscored by quality opponents
winning either of those games given all the injuries would have been pulling a rabbit out of a hat
We gagged, took the pipe, choked, spit the bit....against Stanford. It was a collapse for the ages. Watch how our prevent drops into fg range on the last pass play. That was a coaching blunder for the ages.
Simply outscored....hahahah It's called losing.
kelly can step up tomorrow or still maintain the Music City Bowl as his crowning Bowl achievement.
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Silly to not call that game a quality win. Now a win tomorrow is clearly on another level.
Bodizephax
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I guess it comes down to what you define as blowing it. On one hand, ND came within two plays of winning both games against quality opponents as the visiting team; on the other, they had numerous turnovers and dropped passes against Clemson and they allowed Stanford to march down the field with ease and score after taking the lead with 28 seconds left. I think the later qualifies as blowing it.
If you aren't playing in the BCS 4....Then this is the game you want to be in. ND is no worse off than tOSU, who lost out on the final play of their game. Not a bad place to be if you are ND. Just win that game and gather the spoils for next year. A title run is very much within reach.
as to Max, he issued a very contrite statement. It does not seem that this is any more nefarious than what was reported.
As Lou Holtz says. "I did send the players home, they did it to themselves; I just applied the consequences"
Gotta love it.
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