Kelly Guy who says it is time for him to go...

[stu4don]

I've been a Kelly guy since the beginning. He's our best coach since Holtz, I think even his detractors would agree. But I'm done. It is time for him to go. He did a great job turning things around this year but late in the year he failed us -- like he has again and again.

Yes, he did a great job in 2012. And yes, Ala was better -- but to get beat that way was unacceptable...

Same in 2015. Overachieving with a first year QB -- was (again) lose to a Stanford team we should have beaten and we get embarrassed by OSU.

Again, this year, we overachieve (I guess) but we literally fold vs. Miami and Stanford.

He had us in the conversation more than all the coaches since Holtz but he not only didn't close the deal, he embarrassed the program with laughable loses.

Kelly was perfect to Cincinnati. He is a guy who takes the underdog and gets them into the conversation. But he is not the guy to win the big one. (Remember, he didn't coach Cinc vs. OSU that year...)

Thanks for all he's done. Time for a change. Is it too late to make a play for Scott Frost?

 

[BGI User 1596]

I've been a Kelly guy since the beginning. He's our best coach since Holtz, I think even his detractors would agree. But I'm done. It is time for him to go. He did a great job turning things around this year but late in the year he failed us -- like he has again and again.

Yes, he did a great job in 2012. And yes, Ala was better -- but to get beat that way was unacceptable...

Same in 2015. Overachieving with a first year QB -- was (again) lose to a Stanford team we should have beaten and we get embarrassed by OSU.

Again, this year, we overachieve (I guess) but we literally fold vs. Miami and Stanford.

He had us in the conversation more than all the coaches since Holtz but he not only didn't close the deal, he embarrassed the program with laughable loses.

Kelly was perfect to Cincinnati. He is a guy who takes the underdog and gets them into the conversation. But he is not the guy to win the big one. (Remember, he didn't coach Cinc vs. OSU that year...)

Thanks for all he's done. Time for a change. Is it too late to make a play for Scott Frost?

Florida is all over Frost. ...... our Einstein’s think Kelly is the real deal and we’re stuck until he leaves or some sort of Devine intervention takes place.

 

[impossibilityofreason1]

Kelly killed any momentum we had going into the off-season and we would be too late to make a play on any coaches if we fired him now. Fire Swarbrick too.

 

[1Redrum]

I just woke up and was hoping Kelly had been fired already. Maybe this afternoon...

 

[justified1]

I've been a Kelly guy since the beginning. He's our best coach since Holtz, I think even his detractors would agree. But I'm done. It is time for him to go. He did a great job turning things around this year but late in the year he failed us -- like he has again and again.

Yes, he did a great job in 2012. And yes, Ala was better -- but to get beat that way was unacceptable...

Same in 2015. Overachieving with a first year QB -- was (again) lose to a Stanford team we should have beaten and we get embarrassed by OSU.

Again, this year, we overachieve (I guess) but we literally fold vs. Miami and Stanford.

He had us in the conversation more than all the coaches since Holtz but he not only didn't close the deal, he embarrassed the program with laughable loses.

Kelly was perfect to Cincinnati. He is a guy who takes the underdog and gets them into the conversation. But he is not the guy to win the big one. (Remember, he didn't coach Cinc vs. OSU that year...)

Thanks for all he's done. Time for a change. Is it too late to make a play for Scott Frost?

So? Now it is OK for others to also express the same opinion?

(and it was Florida)

 

[michigaNDer#1]

Kelly killed any momentum we had going into the off-season and we would be too late to make a play on any coaches if we fired him now. Fire Swarbrick too.

Never too late

 

[goose3960]

Never too late

Too late to the party as usual with Frost. He’ll sign with Florida while playing Nebraska as Urban played us. Same playbook. Rinse, repeat.

 

[Toby Smart]

So Frost is the current golden boy as BK was eight years ago. If BK wasn't hired at ND, he would have ended up at another high profile program. There is no guarantees with Scott Frost. He's been a HC for all of three years. One successful season. Ara and Lou both stated that they both needed everyone of their coaching years to make it through ND. Be careful what you ask for. You may get it.

 

[NDIRISH53]

Kelly killed any momentum we had going into the off-season and we would be too late to make a play on any coaches if we fired him now. Fire Swarbrick too.

Fire Swarbrick? Are you nuts?? Our women's bob sledding team is a contender! Jack is the best

 

[scubastevefl]

I don’t trust the admin to improve the coaching position if a change was made.

 

[Zorich 88]

There is zero excitement around the ND football program. Next year will be exactly the same. 8-9 wins average bowl game

 

[mbd11]

I'd give him one more year - only because of the staff changes he made last year, to give the new staff a 2nd year. But I'd fire him next year, if he didn't go at least 10-2 and make a major bowl.

 

[Gimmea10wincoach]

I'd give him one more year - only because of the staff changes he made last year, to give the new staff a 2nd year. But I'd fire him next year, if he didn't go at least 10-2 and make a major bowl.

Because 8 yrs. Have'nt been enough? You need more proof? Gotcha

 

[stu4don]

I expect Kelly back for one more year. I think he did a great job remaking the program after last year's debacle. But I'm tired of losing the big games. Can't win 'em all but damn, we can win one or two. I can only think of Ok in 2012 and LSU in the bowl game whenever that was 2014?... And then a bunch of close loses - Clemson in 2015, Georgia this year... etc.

Look the program is in a better place than it was post Davie, post Willingham, post Weis and I'm sure we'll win 9, maybe 10 games next year. But I'm not convinced there won't be the usual disappointments.

I think we need new and young blood (and maybe we should take a year to find that person, maybe Kelly tells Swarby he is going to leave after next season and helps with the transition? We need enthusiasm. Attitude (remember Holtz's early teams.)

And yes, maybe some more institutional changes. Unlike when Charlie left - I do feel the program is on solid (better) footing. I say Frost because he is young and his players play with attitude. Hell, I could see a Charlie Strong coming in and instilling attitude with this team. The Texas team he inherited was a mess. But at this point I'm pissing in the wind.

 

[DublinND]

And

So Frost is the current golden boy as BK was eight years ago. If BK wasn't hired at ND, he would have ended up at another high profile program. There is no guarantees with Scott Frost. He's been a HC for all of three years. One successful season. Ara and Lou both stated that they both needed everyone of their coaching years to make it through ND. Be careful what you ask for. You may get it.

And he would have been fired long ago at one of those top programs. Fact! The definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result.

 

[justified1]

So Frost is the current golden boy as BK was eight years ago. If BK wasn't hired at ND, he would have ended up at another high profile program. There is no guarantees with Scott Frost. He's been a HC for all of three years. One successful season. Ara and Lou both stated that they both needed everyone of their coaching years to make it through ND. Be careful what you ask for. You may get it.

Kelly was no ones Golden Boy. Think of the situation of trying to climb Mt Everest. It is your 8th attempt, but the Oxygen tank you have used on your previous 8 attempts has mal-functioned or run out of oxygen each time! On your 9th attempt do you use the same tank? Or do you try the climb with a new tank and new hope?

 

[hvillebill]

So Frost is the current golden boy as BK was eight years ago. If BK wasn't hired at ND, he would have ended up at another high profile program. There is no guarantees with Scott Frost. He's been a HC for all of three years. One successful season. Ara and Lou both stated that they both needed everyone of their coaching years to make it through ND. Be careful what you ask for. You may get it.

Exactly.

Remember Coach "Row the Boat" from last year? The flavor of the month? How has he done with the Big Boys? Let's check.

How about inheriting a team that went 9-4 last year with a Holiday Bowl win and going 5-7 this year with two of those wins coming against Buffalo and Middle Tennessee? Then getting shut out the past two weeks 39-0 and 31-0.

That boat has a serious leak.

 

[yurgenheimer9]

Kelly was no ones Golden Boy. Think of the situation of trying to climb Mt Everest. It is your 8th attempt, but the Oxygen tank you have used on your previous 8 attempts has mal-functioned or run out of oxygen each time! On your 9th attempt do you use the same tank? Or do you try the climb with a new tank and new hope?

you use the old tank because at least it didnt get you killed

 

[justified1]

you use the old tank because at least it didnt get you killed

Yes. Correct, getting to the summit is way overrated. “Meh” is where it’s at.

 

[justified1]

So, The debate had two opposing opinions for some time now.
Can we get mea culpa, polling from the boards posters, on the Coach:
were you Right or were you Wrong?

 

[goose3960]

So Frost is the current golden boy as BK was eight years ago. If BK wasn't hired at ND, he would have ended up at another high profile program. There is no guarantees with Scott Frost. He's been a HC for all of three years. One successful season. Ara and Lou both stated that they both needed everyone of their coaching years to make it through ND. Be careful what you ask for. You may get it.

 

[goose3960]

Who exactly was Kelly’s Golden Boy Toby? It was a lousy hire from day one. PJ Fleck was a Golden Boy and I still think he’ll be a decent hire.

 

[goose3960]

Who exactly was Kelly’s Golden Boy Toby? It was a lousy hire from day one. PJ Fleck was a Golden Boy and I still think he’ll be a decent hire.

Tom Herman as well.

 

[Irishjohn68]

I think I am ready for a change also. Kelly has done a great job to a point, but he is not going to get it done. Problem is who is going to replace him? ND has to have the right coach for the job. Some of the names thrown out over the years have just been plan ridiculous. Just hope we don't go backwards and hirer a coach who is in over his head.

 

[Irishjohn68]

Who exactly was Kelly’s Golden Boy Toby? It was a lousy hire from day one. PJ Fleck was a Golden Boy and I still think he’ll be a decent hire.

Please no!

 

[theskibro]

So Frost is the current golden boy as BK was eight years ago. If BK wasn't hired at ND, he would have ended up at another high profile program. There is no guarantees with Scott Frost. He's been a HC for all of three years. One successful season. Ara and Lou both stated that they both needed everyone of their coaching years to make it through ND. Be careful what you ask for. You may get it.

This is bs. Kelly was never the golden boy. From day one I knew he would suck

 

[hvillebill]

Who exactly was Kelly’s Golden Boy Toby? It was a lousy hire from day one. PJ Fleck was a Golden Boy and I still think he’ll be a decent hire.

Why? Minnesota was 9-4 last year without him and 5-7 this year with him. Please explain how that could have happened, since several posters proclaim his greatness. As I said earlier, he's a flavor of the month. Last year; not this year.

He can't win with his little gimmick slogan against teams outside of the MAC.

 

[DublinND]

Why? Minnesota was 9-4 last year without him and 5-7 this year with him. Please explain how that could have happened, since several posters proclaim his greatness. As I said earlier, he's a flavor of the month. Last year; not this year.

He can't win with his little gimmick motto against teams outside of the MAC.

And Kelly is in yr 8 and last yr he went 4-8 . Fleck is in yr 1. None of the roster are guys he recruited . I thought you Kelly bootlickers were all about the it takes time to build something mantra. I'm not for Fleck at ND but I'm for a change at the helm. We can't do all that much worse and need to do much better. Kelly is not the best that ND can do at the HC position

 

[hvillebill]

And Kelly is in yr 8 and last yr he went 4-8 . Fleck is in yr 1. None of the roster are guys he recruited . I thought you Kelly bootlickers were all about the it takes time to build something mantra. I'm not for Fleck at ND but I'm for a change at the helm. We can't do all that much worse and need to do much better. Kelly is not the best that ND can do at the HC position

You know something, enough with the "Kelly worshipers" or "Kelly bootlickers". I'm a Notre Dame first and foremost.

If posters don't constantly call for Kelly's head, people like you say they're not "real" fans of ND. That's the furthest thing from the truth. You simply don't make a change just for the sake of it, or we're right back to 8-4 three years from now and we're looking again. I have no problem with a change if it's a top-notch hire, but Fleck is nothing more than a flash in the pan.

As for the "None of the roster are guys he recruited", those same guys went 9-4 last year with a victory in the Holiday Bowl. It's not like he inherited a 2-10 team. So there was talent remaining. He pissed down his leg his first year in the BIG.

 

[Gimmea10wincoach]

Fool's gold. We all bought it! Right up until Wake Forest. For that was our tell tale sign of what was to come. 9-3 with an extremely high chance of 9-4! Omg!

Just dont have the energy anymore Go Irish!

Fire Kelly Fire Swarbrick

 

[Toby Smart]

This is bs. Kelly was never the golden boy. From day one I knew he would suck

Please don't rewrite history. BK was 34-6 in his years at Cincy. National Coach of the Year. Two straight BCS bowls. Back to back Big East titles. Just a simple search finds that one publication called him at the time a "hot candidate" and another said he is the "hottest coach in America". If not ND, he would have landed an elite job somewhere else. Irish fans were smiling at the time. Irish Nation, including this board, didn't give a rat's behind that he left Cincy high and dry. For Irish fans to now wash their hands of the whole hire is a total denial of what really happened.

 

[justified1]

And I believe 0-2 in those BCS bowls.
(you brought them up)
He did win 2; International and PapaJohn.

 

[Toby Smart]

Short memories I'm guessing. Everyone here loved the hire of BK. He came with a strong national reputation. It's convenient to look back now and say it was a bad hire. At the time, if it wasn't BK, it most likely would have been Randy Edsell. What does that do for all of you? So, at least you all need to "fess up" and admit that you were happy with the hire at the time, but it just isn't working out now. What happens with BK now is not my concern. Apparently, I will be the only one watching the bowl game and attending the Spring game followed by the 2018 opener. I will have parking and the bookstore all to myself. Not too shabby.

 

[justified1]

^ agree on that. Pickins were slim. That is far from ‘golden boy’.

 

[Toby Smart]

^ agree on that. Pickins were slim. That is far from ‘golden boy’.

Two major publications thought otherwise. "Hottest coach in the nation" is how SI.com described the 2009 version of BK. We ALL thought he was the right hire at the time. Hell, even a departing Golden Tate was thrilled with the hire. Last night ticked me off also...to some degree. I get the reasons why some fans are angry. I don't get the personal attacks on the guy though.

 

[justified1]

I liked the hire at the time. Or at least considered it an upgrade over Weis.
However the job of a head coach is winning; and winning meaningful games.
How do you grade the hire now?

 

[Toby Smart]

I liked the hire at the time. Or at least considered it an upgrade over Weis.
However the job of a head coach is winning; and winning meaningful games.
How do you grade the hire now?

It's been the best of times. It's been the worst of times.

 

[stu4don]

I said it at the beginning. I was a fan of Kelly. I was a fan of his hire. I think he has moved the program, the total program, in the right direction. The program was in shambles after Weis. Now, even though I predicted 9-3 before the season as a good year, I'm disappointed again with the November swoon. I just don't get it. I saw a team that played with no passion and urgency vs. both Miami and Stanford. I was willing to chalk Miami up to a crazy night in down there, but the Stanford loss is all too familiar and I sense a coach who is done. I'm not looking forward to the bowl, the recruiting finish and next year. I yearn for a new start and new blood. Maybe that happens in a year. Maybe we make it a graceful transition. But I'm just tired of it.

 

[Nocalirish]

Bob Stoops is right up the road living in Chicago and probably bored of retirement. He would come to ND and give the program a boost right away.