Kelly getting taken to the woodshed

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Some of these posts are funny.

Brian Kelly Brutally Mocked For Leaving Notre Dame For LSU

Following their ultra-impressive 23-10 victory over the mighty Georgia Bulldogs, Marcus Freeman’s Notre Dame Fighting Irish are the…

fanrumor.com

 

[melstew]

Pretty good stuff.

 

[NotreDomer1]

It’s not even so much about him leaving for another team. I honestly couldn’t have cared less about that. Go make your money. It was the way that he did it and the pot shots he took in doing so. Fvck that guy

Notre Dame Football: Roaring Past the Brian Kelly Era

It felt like the sky was falling when Brian Kelly left Notre Dame in 2021. The opposite happened.

www.si.com

 

[christophero]

It would be downright hilarious if we won the title and Kelly didn't even make the playoff. People can feel however they want about Kelly, he left abruptly for bigger money. I don't hate Kelly. While its not cool to hate Kelly it is also not cool to gaslight people upset with the way he left by labeling them toxic haters.

 

[BGI User 756]

Cmon man….Kelly taking receipts!

 

[Harpo Marxist]

It’s not even so much about him leaving for another team. I honestly couldn’t have cared less about that. Go make your money. It was the way that he did it and the pot shots he took in doing so. Fvck that guy

Notre Dame Football: Roaring Past the Brian Kelly Era

It felt like the sky was falling when Brian Kelly left Notre Dame in 2021. The opposite happened.

www.si.com

This. Classless departure. We have outgrown Brian Kelly.

 

[savvyandsassier]

It would be downright hilarious if we won the title and Kelly didn't even make the playoff. People can feel however they want about Kelly, he left abruptly for bigger money. I don't hate Kelly. While its not cool to hate Kelly it is also not cool to gaslight people upset with the way he left by labeling them toxic haters.

You'd think, huh? What you want is to able to hate on the guy, and piss and shit all over him in peace. That's what you want. You want it all, quite frankly. You want BK to come in and rescue ND's broken ass football program, that quite literally was in danger of heading towards a slippery slope of indefinite mediocrity and irrelevance the way things were steadily lurching. Have us in the national title game by year 3. Eventually, after things took a left turn for a few years get us to annual playoff contender status, perennial top ten national program status. And he finally gets the F out of there, I personally think on account of what a toxic hellhole ND's online fan-scape had become, right as the program was reaching a peak that he brought it to, and so he abruptly bolted to LSU and the SEC when he had the chance. And that's why he left. He felt unappreciated, which he definitely was. It was borderline unsafe for him to remain at ND any longer, and so he fled like a thief in the night!

So you want all that, all the good stuff. And by wonderful, fortuitous chance, MF, who BK hired, this boyish ingenue in comparison, is able to walk into this fantastic situation, and after most definitely taking two or three steps back, is finally making all the way good on what BK started, which is to his credit, even though BK already achieved what MF has on three previous occasions, just for the record. And so what you want is to leverage that success, success enjoyed on a direct line of descent from all that BK had done... and continue to piss and shit all over BK, like it's an ongoing orgy, that never really stops, and it revs up whenever LSU loses a game or a recruit or anything at all. And to do so with impunity. Obviously you're going to milk MF's success for every drop you can to continue the hate-fest, and shamelessly attempt to portray yourselves as the long-suffering victims, you play the victim card. You're being gaslit. And you push all that with a straight face. Like I said you want it all. And this is ND, the angelic choir boys of CFB. The good guys, morally better than everyone else. And this is how you act. This is the real ND.

 

[banmate6]

I feel somewhat bad for BK. No doubt he's overall successful and rich. 1st world problems.

But nobody likes to fall short, especially to an assistant at the ND you left. More so asserting LSU is the place to win a NC. You tell it burns BK...words, body language, tone.

I think he struggles to understand what is missing. Especially regarding likability. I've listened to pre-game speeches by him and MF. Big contrast.

I'll keep repeating: I'm grateful for BK. He was who ND desperately needed to rise from being a terrible program at that point. He endured to right the ship. And most of all, even if he optimized everything, he's not beating elite Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, and Georgia.

BK left a good foundation for an emerging MF in a changing college football landscape narrowing the talent gap. BK is part of a good story. I continue to wish him luck and success...which would benefit ND as well, as he could be a lifelong advocate given his long tenure at ND.

 

[banmate6]

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And this is ND, the angelic choir boys of CFB. The good guys, morally better than everyone else. And this is how you act. This is the real ND.

This part is complicated. On the one hand ND maintains academic standards. On the other hand ND plays in a sordid system knowing it long exploited athletes and flouted the student-athlete ideal...yet reaps profits even when not winning NCs, thanks to a brand powered by a loyal following.

I believe that was part of it with BK. Nobody was going to make ND elite competing with football factories paying under the table with BS degrees...where even so, Georgia still graduates only 41%! But given NIL and transfers narrowing the talent gap, ND is now realistically becoming elite.

Saban saw it and bailed. Coaches like Dabo speak to the new challenges here. All things are in part a matter of being in the right place at the right time, which is part luck and part foresight.

BK missed it. Again, read my previous post here. I'm not toxic towards him and appreciate him as 1 of a very good line of ND coaches. Even if he's not 1 of my favorites in terms of likability.

My ultimate take: even in the same position now, no, he'd not achieve what MF is doing. It's ok. Some coaches are better than others. It's just a sports observation...not religious zealotry over which to attack each other.

 

[burmafrd1943]

You'd think, huh? What you want is to able to hate on the guy, and piss and shit all over him in peace. That's what you want. You want it all, quite frankly. You want BK to come in and rescue ND's broken ass football program, that quite literally was in danger of heading towards a slippery slope of indefinite mediocrity and irrelevance the way things were steadily lurching. Have us in the national title game by year 3. Eventually, after things took a left turn for a few years get us to annual playoff contender status, perennial top ten national program status. And he finally gets the F out of there, I personally think on account of what a toxic hellhole ND's online fan-scape had become, right as the program was reaching a peak that he brought it to, and so he abruptly bolted to LSU and the SEC when he had the chance. And that's why he left. He felt unappreciated, which he definitely was. It was borderline unsafe for him to remain at ND any longer, and so he fled like a thief in the night!

So you want all that, all the good stuff. And by wonderful, fortuitous chance, MF, who BK hired, this boyish ingenue in comparison, is able to walk into this fantastic situation, and after most definitely taking two or three steps back, is finally making all the way good on what BK started, which is to his credit, even though BK already achieved what MF has on three previous occasions, just for the record. And so what you want is to leverage that success, success enjoyed on a direct line of descent from all that BK had done... and continue to piss and shit all over BK, like it's an ongoing orgy, that never really stops, and it revs up whenever LSU loses a game or a recruit or anything at all. And to do so with impunity. Obviously you're going to milk MF's success for every drop you can to continue the hate-fest, and shamelessly attempt to portray yourselves as the long-suffering victims, you play the victim card. You're being gaslit. And you push all that with a straight face. Like I said you want it all. And this is ND, the angelic choir boys of CFB. The good guys, morally better than everyone else. And this is how you act. This is the real ND.

not surprised you think online fans chased him out.
It is the kind of stupidity we are used to seeing from you
HE ran for the money and no other reason

 

[banmate6]

not surprised you think online fans chased him out.
It is the kind of stupidity we are used to seeing from you
HE ran for the money and no other reason

I give BK the benefit of the doubt. It was all of the above: money, what he perceived as a real opportunity, and simply that he knew he had run his course at ND. I don't begrudge him that.

As is famously said, be careful what you wish for, as he's finding out who he really is as a coach.

 

[sjb75]

I give BK the benefit of the doubt. It was all of the above: money, what he perceived as a real opportunity, and simply that he knew he had run his course at ND. I don't begrudge him that.

As is famously said, be careful what you wish for, as he's finding out who he really is as a coach.

12 years as the head coach at Notre Dame parlayed into a 100 million guaranteed contract is a wonderful career path.

 

[savvyandsassier]

I feel somewhat bad for BK. No doubt he's overall successful and rich. 1st world problems.

But nobody likes to fall short, especially to an assistant at the ND you left. More so asserting LSU is the place to win a NC. You tell it burns BK...words, body language, tone.

I think he struggles to understand what is missing. Especially regarding likability. I've listened to pre-game speeches by him and MF. Big contrast.

I'll keep repeating: I'm grateful for BK. He was who ND desperately needed to rise from being a terrible program at that point. He endured to right the ship. And most of all, even if he optimized everything, he's not beating elite Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, and Georgia.

BK left a good foundation for an emerging MF in a changing college football landscape narrowing the talent gap. BK is part of a good story. I continue to wish him luck and success...which would benefit ND as well, as he could be a lifelong advocate given his long tenure at ND.

Dude, enough. I'd rather you lay him into him like a thug, the way everyone else does. It's a gang-bang! That's what they call that. It's been going on for many years now. It's pathological, like, mass hysteria mob mentality type shit, facilitated by this wonderful thing, this technology called the internet, which just happens to be your metier. Many books and scholarly studies and long-form articles in esteemed magazines like The Atlantic and Harper's Monthy have been written about this alarming social phenomenon. Twitter mobs and the like. And somehow, to my great disappointment and dismay, BK became fodder for this now rampant social contagion or whatnot. You don't need to write these carefully condescending little takedowns of his character and his 'likability', that's not what this is about. Nobody cares about BK's traits or his record of achievements on the merits. They just want to dogpile him. Only it's ND, so some of them tend to be fastidious.

Remember that scene in Full Metal Jacket, and they're giving Fatboy the beatdown, the pillow party, on account of he's such F-up that the whole platoon has to do extra pushups, and private joker doesn't want to do it, because he fancies himself all civilized and above such thuggery? Just do it. Just the bash the guy good and proper, you don't have to be all meticulous about it. Just get in on it. That's all this is.

 

[savvyandsassier]

not surprised you think online fans chased him out.
It is the kind of stupidity we are used to seeing from you
HE ran for the money and no other reason

I don't know for sure, that's just my guess. How could I know that. But you, of course, don't like that idea one bit! What a surprise....

 

[banmate6]

Dude, enough. I'd rather you lay him into him like a thug, the way everyone else does. It's a gang-bang! That's what they call that. It's been going on for many years now. It's pathological, like, mass hysteria mob mentality type shit, facilitated by this wonderful thing, this technology called the internet, which just happens to be your metier. Many books and scholarly studies and long-form articles in esteemed magazines like The Atlantic and Harper's Monthy have been written about this alarming social phenomenon. Twitter mobs and the like. And somehow, to my great disappointment and dismay, BK became fodder for this now rampant social contagion or whatnot. You don't need to write these carefully condescending little takedowns of his character and his 'likability', that's not what this is about. Nobody cares about BK's traits or his record of achievements on the merits. They just want to dogpile him. Only it's ND, so some of them tend to be fastidious.

Remember that scene in Full Metal Jacket, and they're giving Fatboy the beatdown, the pillow party, on account of he's such F-up that the whole platoon has to do extra pushups, and private joker doesn't want to do it, because he fancies himself all civilized and above such thuggery? Just do it. Just the bash the guy good and proper, you don't have to be all meticulous about it. Just get in on it. That's all this is.

Bizarre post.

You want me to attack BK vs express how I really feel?

🤷‍♂️

 

[NotreDomer1]

12 years as the head coach at Notre Dame parlayed into a 100 million guaranteed contract is a wonderful career path.

And a shitty reputation apparently. AND NOT JUST FROM ND FANS. This is pretty much the consensus across the board of CFB right now other than a couple jackasses (you and Savvy included)

 

[savvyandsassier]

Bizarre post.

You want me to attack BK vs express how I really feel?

🤷‍♂️

That's better, that's better.

Just drop the pose! All anyone here wants to do is bash the dude, and it's not because they all individually dislike him with their litany of prissy reasons, and it's all very heartfelt and sincere. They just want to crucify the guy, the way people do. It's not subtle. Just boys being boys. And you should too. Just get in on the gang-bang, commando style, or whatever. You don't need to justify yourself.

 

[banmate6]

That's better, that's better.

Just drop the pose! All anyone here wants to do is bash the dude, and it's not because they all individually dislike him with their litany of prissy reasons, and it's all very heartfelt and sincere. They just want to crucify the guy, the way people do. It's not subtle. Just boys being boys. And you should too. Just get in on the gang-bang, commando style, or whatever. You don't need to justify yourself.

You're still offering advice to straw men.



Again, I'm not into piling on BK. No posing in order to justify myself. Whatever that means.

Some attack BK. I don't. And I don't pretend to be right about this or holier than thou. And I accept that some don't like BK and savage him, whereas you defend him. Each to their own, fun to discuss...but I try to be logical and honest about it.

 

[sjb75]

And a shitty reputation apparently. AND NOT JUST FROM ND FANS. This is pretty much the consensus across the board of CFB right now other than a couple jackasses (you and Savvy included)

If Brian Kelly’s reputation is so shitty across all of CFB, why did Notre Dame allow him to be head coach for 12 seasons? Why did Mike Denbrock choose to be his OC at LSU and work for Brian Kelly for many years? Why did Marcus Freeman choose to work for Brian Kelly?

 

[savvyandsassier]

You're still offering advice to straw men.



Again, I'm not into piling on BK. No posing in order to justify myself. Whatever that means.

Some attack BK. I don't. And I don't pretend to be right about this or holier than thou. And I accept that some don't like BK and savage him, whereas you defend him. Each to their own, fun to discuss...but I try to be logical and honest about it.

Whatever, man. You do what you're going to do. But did you click that link? ND fans effin' birthed that shit. There's nothing wrong with BK, he's just a ooach. A totally super successful coach. He has no significant flaws. And ND fans' only significant contribution to the greater football culture, other than being laughably pompous, arrogant and smug, and just being boring, midwestern middle class trash, is this BK-hating meme, this cultural meme. And now everybody gets to riff off it. They don't give a shit about BK anymore than ND fans do. They just want in on the gangbang. It's the gangbang, baby! That's all you gotta remember.

And it all started with the ND Nation website, that's where this whole thing was incubated. They hated BK from day one, nobody knows the reason exactly. They were the first to say he 'killed a kid'. I would imagine it's just the ND culture, they're very full of themselves, and BK just didn't do it for them. And eventually it caught fire with the whole fanbase. I watched it all happen. It took a while, and ironically after we started finally winning every year, and old boy got elected president, which I for one don't think is purely coincidental, things really took off, and ND fans couldn't stop bashing BK. And the rest is history. Very organic in a way, just something that our decadent, weltering society spit out into the popular culture, by way of the internet.

I don't know what MF thinks of all this shit, I don't think he hates BK. But he has to ride the tiger like anyone does. The mob! That's who pays his bills. Not ND, the mob pays his salary. They buy all the tickets. You don't want to cross them, you gotta pander to them. And the mob wants their pound of flesh, and in this case that means BK. That's the real social contract. And that's America for you circa 2025.

 

[StCecelia40]

I haven't thought about BK at all in the last several weeks. But since it was brought up in this post let's be honest. Whether you like him or not, he did leave for the $100M. Not judging him for that. But I will judge the way he left and the things he said on his way out the door.
He said he wanted to be in an environment where he had the resources to win. Hello? He said he wanted to be in the American League East. The AL East champions just got curb-stomped by the NL West champions in the World Series. He spent 11 minutes saying good bye to the players at a school he spent 12 years coaching at. Not unlike the way he left Central Michigan and Cincinnati.
Freeman proved him wrong. The resources at Notre Dame haven't changed that significantly in the three years since BK left. The most significant changes in the ND environment in the last three years is the coaches, namely the HC.
So Kelly got his wish, he coaches in the the American League East and the lone SEC team left in the CFB playoffs is the Big 12s Texas Longhorns.
He's at LSU where he finally has the resources to win.
GO IRISH!!!

 

[StCecelia40]

Whatever, man. You do what you're going to do. But did you click that link? ND fans effin' birthed that shit. There's nothing wrong with BK, he's just a ooach. A totally super successful coach. He has no significant flaws. And ND fans' only significant contribution to the greater football culture, other than being laughably pompous, arrogant and smug, and just being boring, midwestern middle class trash, is this BK-hating meme, this cultural meme. And now everybody gets to riff off it. They don't give a shit about BK anymore than ND fans do. They just want in on the gangbang. It's the gangbang, baby! That's all you gotta remember.

And it all started with the ND Nation website, that's where this whole thing was incubated. They hated BK from day one, nobody knows the reason exactly. They were the first to say he 'killed a kid'. I would imagine it's just the ND culture, they're very full of themselves, and BK just didn't do it for them. And eventually it caught fire with the whole fanbase. I watched it all happen. It took a while, and ironically after we started finally winning every year, and old boy got elected president, which I for one don't think is purely coincidental, things really took off, and ND fans couldn't stop bashing BK. And the rest is history. Very organic in a way, just something that our decadent, weltering society spit out into the popular culture, by way of the internet.

I don't know what MF thinks of all this shit, I don't think he hates BK. But he has to ride the tiger like anyone does. The mob! That's who pays his bills. Not ND, the mob pays his salary. They buy all the tickets. You don't want to cross them, you gotta pander to them. And the mob wants their pound of flesh, and in this case that means BK. That's the real social contract. And that's America for you circa 2025.

Dude, take a valium. My goodness.

 

[savvyandsassier]

Dude, take a valium. My goodness.

That is my valium. I read your useless tripe, which was particularly maudlin, self-pitying trash. You're just another hater. You guys are a dime a dozen.

 

[StCecelia40]

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That is my valium. I read your useless tripe, which was particularly maudlin, self-pitying trash. You're just another hater. You guys are a dime a dozen.

The Notre Dame football message board is your valium? You're a bigger loser than I thought. Get some help freak.

 

[NotreDomer1]

Whatever, man. You do what you're going to do. But did you click that link? ND fans effin' birthed that shit. There's nothing wrong with BK, he's just a ooach. A totally super successful coach. He has no significant flaws. And ND fans' only significant contribution to the greater football culture, other than being laughably pompous, arrogant and smug, and just being boring, midwestern middle class trash, is this BK-hating meme, this cultural meme. And now everybody gets to riff off it. They don't give a shit about BK anymore than ND fans do. They just want in on the gangbang. It's the gangbang, baby! That's all you gotta remember.

And it all started with the ND Nation website, that's where this whole thing was incubated. They hated BK from day one, nobody knows the reason exactly. They were the first to say he 'killed a kid'. I would imagine it's just the ND culture, they're very full of themselves, and BK just didn't do it for them. And eventually it caught fire with the whole fanbase. I watched it all happen. It took a while, and ironically after we started finally winning every year, and old boy got elected president, which I for one don't think is purely coincidental, things really took off, and ND fans couldn't stop bashing BK. And the rest is history. Very organic in a way, just something that our decadent, weltering society spit out into the popular culture, by way of the internet.

I don't know what MF thinks of all this shit, I don't think he hates BK. But he has to ride the tiger like anyone does. The mob! That's who pays his bills. Not ND, the mob pays his salary. They buy all the tickets. You don't want to cross them, you gotta pander to them. And the mob wants their pound of flesh, and in this case that means BK. That's the real social contract. And that's America for you circa 2025.

Too long, sure it’s dumb. Not reading

 

[savvyandsassier]

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The Notre Dame football message board is your valium? You're a bigger loser than I thought. Get some help freak.

Well this is where I vent on ND related subjects. So I guess that makes it my valium. You get the metaphor. You do the same thing. Only you shit all over BK, which is almost like a rite of passage for ND fans at this point, and that's how you bond. And then try to justify yourself. I think that's way worse.

 

[NotreDomer1]

If Brian Kelly’s reputation is so shitty across all of CFB, why did Notre Dame allow him to be head coach for 12 seasons? Why did Mike Denbrock choose to be his OC at LSU and work for Brian Kelly for many years? Why did Marcus Freeman choose to work for Brian Kelly?

You apparently don’t have a good pulse for things. Learn to read more and question less.

 

[banmate6]

Whatever, man. You do what you're going to do. But did you click that link? ND fans effin' birthed that shit. There's nothing wrong with BK, he's just a ooach. A totally super successful coach. He has no significant flaws. And ND fans' only significant contribution to the greater football culture, other than being laughably pompous, arrogant and smug, and just being boring, midwestern middle class trash, is this BK-hating meme, this cultural meme. And now everybody gets to riff off it. They don't give a shit about BK anymore than ND fans do. They just want in on the gangbang. It's the gangbang, baby! That's all you gotta remember.

And it all started with the ND Nation website, that's where this whole thing was incubated. They hated BK from day one, nobody knows the reason exactly. They were the first to say he 'killed a kid'. I would imagine it's just the ND culture, they're very full of themselves, and BK just didn't do it for them. And eventually it caught fire with the whole fanbase. I watched it all happen. It took a while, and ironically after we started finally winning every year, and old boy got elected president, which I for one don't think is purely coincidental, things really took off, and ND fans couldn't stop bashing BK. And the rest is history. Very organic in a way, just something that our decadent, weltering society spit out into the popular culture, by way of the internet.

I don't know what MF thinks of all this shit, I don't think he hates BK. But he has to ride the tiger like anyone does. The mob! That's who pays his bills. Not ND, the mob pays his salary. They buy all the tickets. You don't want to cross them, you gotta pander to them. And the mob wants their pound of flesh, and in this case that means BK. That's the real social contract. And that's America for you circa 2025.

Again, I get what some say about BK. Especially on social media, which tends to attract the lowest common denominator. Obviously there are extreme opinions, which I don't share...withstanding you insisting I do.

Anyway, I find an institutional and social mob driven conspiracy against BK a stretch. The mob wants ND to allow athletes academic standards, but that isn't happening. Why would it for demonizing BK?

Come on.

 

[christophero]

Maybe the question should be why is Kelly so disliked? People did not like the results of Willingham, Davie and Weiss but I don't see much hostility directed at those guys.

 

[Drinking The Green Koolaid]

Whatever, man. You do what you're going to do. But did you click that link? ND fans effin' birthed that shit. There's nothing wrong with BK, he's just a ooach. A totally super successful coach. He has no significant flaws. And ND fans' only significant contribution to the greater football culture, other than being laughably pompous, arrogant and smug, and just being boring, midwestern middle class trash, is this BK-hating meme, this cultural meme. And now everybody gets to riff off it. They don't give a shit about BK anymore than ND fans do. They just want in on the gangbang. It's the gangbang, baby! That's all you gotta remember.

And it all started with the ND Nation website, that's where this whole thing was incubated. They hated BK from day one, nobody knows the reason exactly. They were the first to say he 'killed a kid'. I would imagine it's just the ND culture, they're very full of themselves, and BK just didn't do it for them. And eventually it caught fire with the whole fanbase. I watched it all happen. It took a while, and ironically after we started finally winning every year, and old boy got elected president, which I for one don't think is purely coincidental, things really took off, and ND fans couldn't stop bashing BK. And the rest is history. Very organic in a way, just something that our decadent, weltering society spit out into the popular culture, by way of the internet.

I don't know what MF thinks of all this shit, I don't think he hates BK. But he has to ride the tiger like anyone does. The mob! That's who pays his bills. Not ND, the mob pays his salary. They buy all the tickets. You don't want to cross them, you gotta pander to them. And the mob wants their pound of flesh, and in this case that means BK. That's the real social contract. And that's America for you circa 2025.

Your hero worship of Brian Kelly is apparently boundless. Like the mythological Icarus, you have flown too close to the sun, and now you are in a free fall, tumbling toward Earth.

Because someone levels a criticism toward Brian Kelly doesn't make them a "hater" or a "gang-banger" or a member of a "mob", or whatever other pejorative you want to throw at them. Kelly is a good coach, even a "totally super successful coach," to use your description. But there is no denying that BK's Notre Dame teams, almost without exception, failed on the big stage. Not only do you refuse to admit that, you are apparently incapable of even seeing it. You have offered a litany of excuses for those failures, except for the obvious one: Kelly just wasn't prepared for the big moment. Was that on his players or on him? Does that make him a bad man or a bad coach? Of course not. But it excludes him from membership in the fraternity of great coaches.

In his own words, Kelly left Notre Dame to go to LSU and compete for national championships. If you don't see the irony in the fact that 3 years later Kelly has a largely middling record of success at LSU--yes, he has won games, but he hasn't come close to competing for a national title--and Marcus Freeman has Notre Dame playing in the CFB semi-finals, there is little hope for you. Take the BK blinders off.

 

[francade]

Kelly did a very good job at ND but I think many good coaches could’ve done the same. He left like a jackass. That’s my biggest beef. I know that sends the two Kelly lovers over the edge, but it is what it is. That’s how a lot of ND fans think. Maybe I’m wrong but if he handled it better, I think a lot of us wouldn’t have the same ill will towards him. Call me petty but that was an ahole move saying what he said when he left. There was no need to do so. F him!

 

[sjb75]

You apparently don’t have a good pulse for things. Learn to read more and question less.

I don’t believe everything I read.

 

[savvyandsassier]

Kelly did a very good job at ND but I think many good coaches could’ve done the same. He left like a jackass. That’s my biggest beef. I know that sends the two Kelly lovers over the edge, but it is what it is. That’s how a lot of ND fans think. Maybe I’m wrong but if he handled it better, I think a lot of us wouldn’t have the same ill will towards him. Call me petty but that was an ahole move saying what he said when he left. There was no need to do so. F him!

Aren't you precious. F him! That's what you guys always say. if he had just left with a bit more class. I'm pretty sure I can recall you hating on the mofo well before he was gone. So your excuse rings hollow. But I'm going to say you never really wanted to hate the guy, but you couldn't resist the tide of the online mob. It's a well-known phenomenon. Anyway, whatevs. It'd be nice if you could restrain yourself, but I realize that's too much to ask. And for the most part you're pretty tame, and I do appreciate it, one ND fan to another.

Hopefully, if we do win the title, that the BK gloating and bashing won't kick in for at least a few days after. Maybe you'll be so high on vicarious athletic glory that it will bring out your natural magnanimity.

 

[savvyandsassier]

Your hero worship of Brian Kelly is apparently boundless. Like the mythological Icarus, you have flown too close to the sun, and now you are in a free fall, tumbling toward Earth.

Because someone levels a criticism toward Brian Kelly doesn't make them a "hater" or a "gang-banger" or a member of a "mob", or whatever other pejorative you want to throw at them. Kelly is a good coach, even a "totally super successful coach," to use your description. But there is no denying that BK's Notre Dame teams, almost without exception, failed on the big stage. Not only do you refuse to admit that, you are apparently incapable of even seeing it. You have offered a litany of excuses for those failures, except for the obvious one: Kelly just wasn't prepared for the big moment. Was that on his players or on him? Does that make him a bad man or a bad coach? Of course not. But it excludes him from membership in the fraternity of great coaches.

In his own words, Kelly left Notre Dame to go to LSU and compete for national championships. If you don't see the irony in the fact that 3 years later Kelly has a largely middling record of success at LSU--yes, he has won games, but he hasn't come close to competing for a national title--and Marcus Freeman has Notre Dame playing in the CFB semi-finals, there is little hope for you. Take the BK blinders off.

Gangbanging, in this context refers to social media feeding frenzies. Where some poor sap, is caught in some compromising situation or whatever it is, says the wrong thing, is goaded or trolled into making a fool of himself, and everybody piles on. I know it's vulgar but that's the idea. That's the metaphor. And sometimes it gets really wild and vicious. And sometimes people lose their jobs, and get divorced, their personal lives are destroyed in the melee. And that's essentially what happened to BK, all time winningest coach at ND, in case you didn't know. And it was his own fans! And he didn't do anything at all, other than leave ND, and it had been brewing and percolating and festering for years. Before the damn burst, or the volcano erupted, I'll go with the latter. And burst it did, regular twitter-ites were in awe, not even CFB fans, at how vile and sadistic ND fans were being. It lasted several days. BK was trending! And it's been like that ever since.

So you burned that bridge. Or at least your more uncouth and savage brethren did.

 

[banmate6]

Kelly did a very good job at ND but I think many good coaches could’ve done the same. He left like a jackass. That’s my biggest beef. I know that sends the two Kelly lovers over the edge, but it is what it is. That’s how a lot of ND fans think. Maybe I’m wrong but if he handled it better, I think a lot of us wouldn’t have the same ill will towards him. Call me petty but that was an ahole move saying what he said when he left. There was no need to do so. F him!

I'm not sure about doing the same. Everybody since Holtz failed pretty badly. The one thing I have to respect about BK is he restored ND to being a competitive team. As I keep saying, I'm grateful for that.

I actually was relieved he left. He hit his ceiling. I just didn't expect Marcus Freeman to be given the job, as I was skeptical but rolling with it. Obviously the hire worked, I was wrong, and ND is here in the semifinals showing great football.

Again, BK left a decent foundation for MF to take it to the next level.

 

[NotreDomer1]

Gangbanging, in this context refers to social media feeding frenzies. Where some poor sap, is caught in some compromising situation or whatever it is, says the wrong thing, is goaded or trolled into making a fool of himself, and everybody piles on. I know it's vulgar but that's the idea. That's the metaphor. And sometimes it gets really wild and vicious. And sometimes people lose their jobs, and get divorced, their personal lives are destroyed in the melee. And that's essentially what happened to BK, all time winningest coach at ND, in case you didn't know. And it was his own fans! And he didn't do anything at all, other than leave ND, and it had been brewing and percolating and festering for years. Before the damn burst, or the volcano erupted, I'll go with the latter. And burst it did, regular twitter-ites were in awe, not even CFB fans, at how vile and sadistic ND fans were being. It lasted several days. BK was trending! And it's been like that ever since.

So you burned that bridge. Or at least your more uncouth and savage brethren did.

I’d argue Brian Kelly burned that bridge and there’s a TON of evidence to support it.

Acting like that poor sap (Brian Kelly) “is caught in some compromising situation or whatever it is, says the wrong thing, is goaded or trolled into making a fool of himself,” is a very naive take. Nobody made Brian Kelly do what he did except himself. His words were also HIS words. He divorced ND willingly and deceptively. Excuse the rest of the family for not liking the lying cheating sleazeball who made it all our fault in a public forum. You may still be in love with him, but that’s not our fault/problem.

 

[StCecelia40]

Well this is where I vent on ND related subjects. So I guess that makes it my valium. You get the metaphor. You do the same thing. Only you shit all over BK, which is almost like a rite of passage for ND fans at this point, and that's how you bond. And then try to justify yourself. I think that's way worse.

Take a breath and read my post. I post very infrequently and now I remember why. I started by saying I haven't thought of BK in weeks. You say I shit all over BK and and include me in a group that "hate all over him" when all I did was quote his own words. I don't hate anyone and if I did Brian Kelly wouldn't even come close to making my list. Franklin and Day would, but I digress. I liked Brian Kelly a lot. He helped revive the program. I didn't like how he left. That was the point of my post.
I don't come on this message board to fight with other posters, quite the opposite. I come on to get the pulse of the fan base, the guys who are dug in to ND football. They are obvious on this site and for the most part, very insightful. Just as obvious are the posters who seem to ferment hostility on this forum. I suspect from my recent browsing, you are one of them. We can have different opinions without hating on each other, right?
Go Irish!

 

[savvyandsassier]

Take a breath and read my post. I post very infrequently and now I remember why. I started by saying I haven't thought of BK in weeks. You say I shit all over BK and and include me in a group that "hate all over him" when all I did was quote his own words. I don't hate anyone and if I did Brian Kelly wouldn't even come close to making my list. Franklin and Day would, but I digress. I liked Brian Kelly a lot. He helped revive the program. I didn't like how he left. That was the point of my post.
I don't come on this message board to fight with other posters, quite the opposite. I come on to get the pulse of the fan base, the guys who are dug in to ND football. They are obvious on this site and for the most part, very insightful. Just as obvious are the posters who seem to ferment hostility on this forum. I suspect from my recent browsing, you are one of them. We can have different opinions without hating on each other, right?
Go Irish!

Dude, don't worry about. I apologize, I was in a mood yesterday, shall we say. And I don't put up with any of this BK bashing, which is not normal, forgivable fan disgruntlement, and has become this effin' monster with ND fans, and now with CFB at large, and everyone takes their shots at BK, like he's a joke and a whipping boy. When the truth is, he's a 1st ballot CFB HOF coach. So it's just very effed up. Anyway, sorry to snap at you. That was poor form on my part to someone who isn't one of the familiar habitues of this little message board. Go Irish indeed!

 

[NDinNJ]

Too long, sure it’s dumb. Not reading

It's comedic gold

 

[TDIrish27]

It's a cult