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Just so it's crystal clear: the reason we're big dogs vs OSU is because of their talent advantage

I will say, im shocked there aren't as many homers around here picking ND to actually beat OSU. It wasn't too long ago that I was having to go to war with the entire board over the validity of the data/rating systems/talent rankings/etc.

i guess after being correct over and over in that regard the community has at least graduated from doubting the data.
Why are you even on this forum? You have such disdain for the school, the administration, the program. Why are you even here posting your nonsense? Go follow one of those other 9 teams that supposedly have a better roster.
 
Why are you even on this forum? You have such disdain for the school, the administration, the program. Why are you even here posting your nonsense? Go follow one of those other 9 teams that supposedly have a better roster.
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Also, were 9th in the team rankings not 10th. And we're 5th in per player avg (higher upside players)
After this year's 12th ranked recruiting class (and the 7th ranked recruiting class from 4-5 years ago dropping off) NDs talent rank will slip even further down.

And its NDs lack of higher upside players that are keeping them ranked ~10th in the talent rankings. Theyre being penalized by the formula for their lack of elite talent at the high end of their 85 man roster in relation to other teams.
 
After this year's 12th ranked recruiting class (and the 7th ranked recruiting class from 4-5 years ago dropping off) NDs talent rank will slip even further down.

And its NDs lack of higher upside players that are keeping them ranked ~10th in the talent rankings. Theyre being penalized by the formula for their lack of elite talent at the high end of their 85 man roster in relation to other teams.
Poster suffers from various psychiatric maladies.
 
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I remember watching Muhammed Ali fight George Foreman. The question before the fight was...how in the world could Ali keep this monster off of him and avoid getting knocked out? Foreman was simply superhuman at that point in his career. And the world was introduced to "Rope-a-Dope" for the first time. Ali used Foreman's strengths against him....leveraging that power...until Foreman punched himself out in confusion and frustration. Now...I'm not suggesting that Notre Dame can wear OSU out in frustration.. But, they can leverage that power in front of them by keeping OSU's receivers in front of them...and mixing up the blitzes and support against the run to stifle their rhythm..in order to create opportunities and force some punts. Some form of "Rope-a-Dope" will need to be used....Notre Dame can't just trade blows....we don't have the horses to match them. Finesse on offense mixed with power running....changing up the tempo, misdirecting the flow.....and avoiding turnovers and penalties is necessary. The window of opportunity for a Notre Dame win is small, imo.....but its there.
 
When Notre Dame loses their top target after their top target again and again on the recruiting trail this is the consequence it's nearly impossible to compete with teams that do secure their top targets on the recruiting trail.

What does 20 million in roster/recruiting NIL differential give you in the current landscape of college football? A 10 point advantage at a neutral site over your competition in the game for the trophy that represents winning it all

More fan pressure needs to be put on Notre Dame to step up to the plate and not allow any team to have this kind of competitive advantage over them and the only way to negate that advantage is to pony up the dollars and start competing for the best talent in the country on the recruiting trail. There's no way around it. You can't keep building a tier 2 roster and selling your fans a fake bill of goods that you're doing everything u can to compete for national titles.
the lineis what it is because Notre dame is running out of bodies on both lines of scrimmage. Otherwise its likely within 7 points
 
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After this year's 12th ranked recruiting class (and the 7th ranked recruiting class from 4-5 years ago dropping off) NDs talent rank will slip even further down.

And its NDs lack of higher upside players that are keeping them ranked ~10th in the talent rankings. Theyre being penalized by the formula for their lack of elite talent at the high end of their 85 man roster in relation to other teams.
9th in the rankings and 5th in per player avg this year (higher upsides) and will continue to go up because we retain our players more than others.

We have a top 5 roster in the country and will for a long time
 
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9th in the rankings and 5th in per player avg this year (higher upsides) and will continue to go up because we retain our players more than others.

We have a top 5 roster in the country and will for a long time
That's great! I don't believe any of the nonsense chase spews.
With Freeman as head coach, the future of the football team could not be any brighter.
Another bonus, the off-season has been shortened by a month with games into the latter part of January.
 
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They could be spending $20+ million now if they weren't being completely outclassed by other programs who are being bold and forward thinking and aren't sitting around trying to regress the sport and be politically correct to their own detriment
You just don't understand how it works. Just admit it.
 
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They could be spending $20+ million now if they weren't being completely outclassed by other programs who are being bold and forward thinking and aren't sitting around trying to regress the sport and be politically correct to their own detriment
You're acting like a 6 year old child. Understand NIL, revenue sharing etc. before you post constant drivel and nonsense. You are completely clueless and you look more foolish with each post.
 
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You see people like you keep excusing it away because you can't see beyond your own bias.

You keep hearing about Notre Dame's talent disadvantage/handicap over the last three decades because it's the biggest reason why they've been playing second and third fiddle to the rest of the teams in the country over that time

Notre Dame has a bunch of ranked wins whoop-Dee-Doo which one of those wins has resulted in a championship trophy? Notre Dame predictively builds a second tier roster then maxed out as a second tier team with little to no chance to beat the best teams of the highest quality and then predictably goes home with no hardware and then we do it all over again trying to lie to ourselves that somehow with our three and four star players we are going to compete with teams that are loaded with four and five-star players.

I've countered each and every point You've made ad nauseam over the years hell I've practically written a book on the topic

At the end of the day there is no way around it you are either getting the job done or you are not and Notre Dame is not getting the job done organizationally which is why Notre Dame is a huge underdog versus OSU with little to no chance to actually win the game and bring home a national title

We are Notre Dame we need to stop being satisfied with participation trophies and 2nd tier accomplishments.
Yet ND beat 9 ranked teams, including #2 and #6 in last 2 weeks

Go fist yourself
 
I fear I'm going to die before Notre Dame wins another national title

And that's frustrating because very few programs are doing less with more

That's also frustrating because I feel like despite all the evidence out there I'm the only one who seems able to put it together and see this program for what it is

I wish I could be as naive as the typical Notre Dame fan and find a way to find hope in this hopeless ass situation
I hope you do…. Can you speed it up?
 
When Notre Dame loses their top target after their top target again and again on the recruiting trail this is the consequence it's nearly impossible to compete with teams that do secure their top targets on the recruiting trail.

What does 20 million in roster/recruiting NIL differential give you in the current landscape of college football? A 10 point advantage at a neutral site over your competition in the game for the trophy that represents winning it all

More fan pressure needs to be put on Notre Dame to step up to the plate and not allow any team to have this kind of competitive advantage over them and the only way to negate that advantage is to pony up the dollars and start competing for the best talent in the country on the recruiting trail. There's no way around it. You can't keep building a tier 2 roster and selling your fans a fake bill of goods that you're doing everything u can to compete for national titles.
I'm wondering where your POCKET PRESENCE IS.

Do you not see that in making such an EXTREME ARGUMENT, you're leaving yourself and your WOULD-BE LOGIC wide open to being SACKED?

Hasn't ND already proven that it can not only HANG WITH but also BEAT teams with MORE 5 STARS? Freeman's teams have demonstrated it TIME AND AGAIN. A number of Kelly's teams did it as well. And if a monopoly of 5-STARS is the sole criterion for making the playoffs and winning an NC, how come all of those teams that have more 5 STARS than ND either washed out of the playoffs or DIDN'T EVEN MAKE THE CUT?

Where's ALABAMA? Where's A&M? Where's LSU? Where's OU?

And how is it that it's ND THAT HAS MADE IT TO THE NC GAME?!?!

Finally, what will your argument be if ND BEATS OSU? It's possible. Or even if it's a REAL CLOSE GAME?

Frankly, I don't see the light-years separation between these 5 STAR ELITE TEAMS you describe and ND.

As for recruiting, if you don't realize BY NOW that ND works off a NARROWER POOL either because SOME PLAYERS SIMPLY DON'T QUALIFY or others SIMPLY DON'T WISH TO COME, then you're not paying attention to the way ND has operated since around 1952.

Fact is, you're making demands on an institution that DOESN'T SHARE YOUR PRIORITIES. And with all due respect, it's not CHANGING DIRECTION for YOUR benefit.

And in that sense you're being EXTREMELY UNREALISTIC. How is it that you simply can't SEE THIS? It's not ROCKET SCIENCE.

The only answer I can offer is that yours is not just a VIEWPOINT but a FIXATION. And fixations aren't based on LOGIC and REASON, but on EMOTION. Which then begs the question as to why are you so EMOTIONALLY FIXATED on trying to get ND to do something that is NOT IN ITS DNA?

What's your payoff in such a QUIXOTIC PURSUIT?
 
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Any team that has a better 85 man roster has more upside than ND during the season (currently about 9 other programs)
This right here shows your ignorance. Notre Dame has the 5th best roster in terms of average player rating. If you haven’t seen the talent and depth during this run, there is no point in you continuing to post here.

What good is a five star if your backup is garbage? We are on third stringers at some positions and have been for a while and we’re still beating all these so called “superior rosters.”
 
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I'm wondering where your POCKET PRESENCE IS.

Do you not see that in making such an EXTREME ARGUMENT, you're leaving yourself and your WOULD-BE LOGIC wide open to being SACKED?

Hasn't ND already proven that it can not only HANG WITH but also BEAT teams with MORE 5 STARS? Freeman's teams have demonstrated it TIME AND AGAIN. A number of Kelly's teams did it as well. And if a monopoly of 5-STARS is the sole criterion for making the playoffs and winning an NC, how come all of those teams that have more 5 STARS than ND either washed out of the playoffs or DIDN'T EVEN MAKE THE CUT?

Where's ALABAMA? Where's A&M? Where's LSU? Where's OU?

And how is it that it's ND THAT HAS MADE IT TO THE NC GAME?!?!

Finally, what will your argument be if ND BEATS OSU? It's possible. Or even if it's a REAL CLOSE GAME?

Frankly, I don't see the light-years separation between these 5 STAR ELITE TEAMS you describe and ND.

As for recruiting, if you don't realize BY NOW that ND works off a NARROWER POOL either because SOME PLAYERS SIMPLY DON'T QUALIFY or others SIMPLY DON'T WISH TO COME, then you're not paying attention to the way ND has operated since around 1952.

Fact is, you're making demands on an institution that DOESN'T SHARE YOUR PRIORITIES. And with all due respect, it's not CHANGING DIRECTION for YOUR benefit.

And in that sense you're being EXTREMELY UNREALISTIC. How is it that you simply can't SEE THIS? It's not ROCKET SCIENCE.

The only answer I can offer is that yours is not just a VIEWPOINT but a FIXATION. And fixations aren't based on LOGIC and REASON, but on EMOTION. Which then begs the question as to why are you so EMOTIONALLY FIXATED on trying to get ND to do something that is NOT IN ITS DNA?

What's your payoff in such a QUIXOTIC PURSUIT?
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After this year's 12th ranked recruiting class (and the 7th ranked recruiting class from 4-5 years ago dropping off) NDs talent rank will slip even further down.

And its NDs lack of higher upside players that are keeping them ranked ~10th in the talent rankings. Theyre being penalized by the formula for their lack of elite talent at the high end of their 85 man roster in relation to other teams.
Could you possibly elaborate more on this.
 
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One thing Pat Coogan said in an interview after the Orange Bowl....."We've been in the playoffs since week 3". This team fully understands their situation...and has on a week to week basis. I'm not worried about their mental preparation against OSU. They have stayed the course week after week through the season and the playoffs. It comes down to whether or not they have enough in the tank to hang around until late in the 4th quarter. If they can......I think that mental conditioning will pay off.
 
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I think what you are missing is that it's not "bull shit" it's truth

and despite how much people don't want or like to hear it they know in their gut that it's truth which is why people get defensive and do what you are doing which is derailing conversation

You don't have any good logical responses so you resort to derailing the discussion trying to discredit me and otherwise being toxic. I don't know if you've realized it yet but you have zero influence or impact on this community as a result
actually in all ways that matter you are scum
 
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