Just so it's crystal clear: the reason we're big dogs vs OSU is because of their talent advantage

[echowaker]

When Notre Dame loses their top target after their top target again and again on the recruiting trail this is the consequence it's nearly impossible to compete with teams that do secure their top targets on the recruiting trail.

What does 20 million in roster/recruiting NIL differential give you in the current landscape of college football? A 10 point advantage at a neutral site over your competition in the game for the trophy that represents winning it all

More fan pressure needs to be put on Notre Dame to step up to the plate and not allow any team to have this kind of competitive advantage over them and the only way to negate that advantage is to pony up the dollars and start competing for the best talent in the country on the recruiting trail. There's no way around it. You can't keep building a tier 2 roster and selling your fans a fake bill of goods that you're doing everything u can to compete for national titles.

Wash,rinse,repeat. BORING.

 

[echowaker]

You see people like you keep excusing it away because you can't see beyond your own bias.

You keep hearing about Notre Dame's talent disadvantage/handicap over the last three decades because it's the biggest reason why they've been playing second and third fiddle to the rest of the teams in the country over that time

Notre Dame has a bunch of ranked wins whoop-Dee-Doo which one of those wins has resulted in a championship trophy? Notre Dame predictively builds a second tier roster then maxed out as a second tier team with little to no chance to beat the best teams of the highest quality and then predictably goes home with no hardware and then we do it all over again trying to lie to ourselves that somehow with our three and four star players we are going to compete with teams that are loaded with four and five-star players.

I've countered each and every point You've made ad nauseam over the years hell I've practically written a book on the topic

At the end of the day there is no way around it you are either getting the job done or you are not and Notre Dame is not getting the job done organizationally which is why Notre Dame is a huge underdog versus OSU with little to no chance to actually win the game and bring home a national title

We are Notre Dame we need to stop being satisfied with participation trophies and 2nd tier accomplishments.

Why anyone bothers to respond to this incessant troll after months of this bullshit is beyond me.

And yet you posted three times in the first 6 responses. Pot meet kettle.

 

[echowaker]

I think what you are missing is that it's not "bull shit" it's truth

and despite how much people don't want or like to hear it they know in their gut that it's truth which is why people get defensive and do what you are doing which is derailing conversation

You don't have any good logical responses so you resort to derailing the discussion trying to discredit me and otherwise being toxic. I don't know if you've realized it yet but you have zero influence or impact on this community as a result

No it's your opinion. Much different than the truth.

 

[echowaker]

I don't know why I'm the only Notre Dame fan disappointed at just how small a chance we have to beat this OSU team

This coaching staff and this roster has done everything they possibly can to try to win a national title and are right at the doorstep but because of Notre Dame's outdated philosophy, lack of leadership, and cheapness ND have little to no chance to actually win this game and it's frustrating and nobody calls out the institution for their bullshit

Medication sorely needed....

 

[echowaker]

In fairness Notre Dame did not beat the shit out of Georgia.

Physically they did.

 

[echowaker]

Don't get mad at the University who is sitting on a bottomless bag of cash but won't spend it to improve the institutions odds of winning at the highest level but let out your frustration on me instead

How are they not spending it ? NIL compensation doesn't come from that bag of cash you speak of. Educate yourself.

 

[christophero]

You are frustrated because ND is playing for the natty? Maybe you need therapy.

 

[chaseball]

You are frustrated because ND is playing for thw natty? Maybe you need therapy.

I'm frustrated because we've been down this road before time and time again and as i type this the very thing needed to catapult ND from a massive underdog into a legit contender (even 2 decades later) is still not being addressed in any meaningful way (its still being virtually ignored by the institution)

Another recruiting cycle being draxed by at least 10 other teams just perpetuating the lack of competitiveness at the highest level again and again and again going forward.

This is by far the best team ND has had in the F+ era (07 - present) but its still not good enough. Why? Despite the tier 1 coaching and development the material on the 85 man roster isn't good enough. The car isn't fast enough. And you can see the evidence from a mile away.

This is my desperate attempt to tell the university to "DO SOMETHING MAN!!!" DO SOMETHING!!

Stop F'n lubing yourself up and bending over and taking it in the azz.

 

[sjb75]

You are frustrated because ND is playing for the natty? Maybe you need therapy.

You're responding to an incessant troll.

Maybe you need therapy.

 

[NIN Irish]

I fear I'm going to die before Notre Dame wins another national title

And that's frustrating because very few programs are doing less with more

That's also frustrating because I feel like despite all the evidence out there I'm the only one who seems able to put it together and see this program for what it is

I wish I could be as naive as the typical Notre Dame fan and find a way to find hope in this hopeless ass situation

Why don't you give it a rest and enjoy the ride. None of the previous coaches since Holtz could take ND this far. It's a new era, maybe you should see how this last game turns out, before spewing any more nonsense, and looking any more like a hypocritical, lying child.

 

[sjb75]

Why don't you give it a rest and enjoy the ride. None of the previous coaches since Holtz could take ND this far. It's a new era, maybe you should see how this last game turns out, before spewing any more nonsense, and looking any more like a hypocritical, lying child.

Your post is inaccurate. Brian Kelly played in the title game in the 2012 season.

 

[Golson5]

Brian Kelly played in the title game in the 2012 season.

He didn't have to win major bowl games on his way there. Something he didn't do in 12 seasons or in his 3 seasons at LSU and his time at Cincinnati as well

 

[sjb75]

He didn't have to win major bowl games on his way there. Something he didn't do in 12 seasons or in his 3 seasons at LSU and his time at Cincinnati as well

There wasn't a 12 game playoff to be played in 2012. The opportunity wasn't there.

It was a 2 team playoff.

 

[Golson5]

There wasn't a 12 game playoff to be played in 2012.

I know. That's why we were in the NC. He didn't have to do something he hasn't done in his 18 years in major college football

 

[NIN Irish]

Your post is inaccurate. Brian Kelly played in the title game in the 2012 season.

He could never win the type of playoff games won this year. No chance, I guess maybe Indiana.

 

[sjb75]

He could never win the type of playoff games won this year. No chance.

The playoff in 2012 was 2 teams.

The team was never given the chance.

 

[NDSMC78]

I'm frustrated because we've been down this road before time and time again and as i type this the very thing needed to catapult ND from a massive underdog into a legit contender (even 2 decades later) is still not being addressed in any meaningful way (its still being virtually ignored by the institution)

Another recruiting cycle being draxed by at least 10 other teams just perpetuating the lack of competitiveness at the highest level again and again and again going forward.

This is by far the best team ND has had in the F+ era (07 - present) but its still not good enough. Why? Despite the tier 1 coaching and development the material on the 85 man roster isn't good enough. The car isn't fast enough. And you can see the evidence from a mile away.

This is my desperate attempt to tell the university to "DO SOMETHING MAN!!!" DO SOMETHING!!

Stop F'n lubing yourself up and bending over and taking it in the azz.

Delusional nonsense. Poster is unhinged.

 

[NIN Irish]

The playoff in 2012 was 2 teams.

The team was never given the chance.

Right. If the playoff were 12 teams. Kelly teams would be out by round 2.

 

[chaseball]

This 2024 ND team is better than any other ND team in the modern era.

But Stanford, OU, Michigan, BYU were all top 10-20 teams in 2012 (those were similar wins) and to another posters point: if ND had the opportunity to play in a playoff in 2012 they may have won a couple of rounds before being ran over by Bama

 

[sjb75]

Right. If the playoff were 12 teams. Kelly teams would be out by round 2.

Brian Kelly made the 2- team and 4- team CFB playoff three times, and lost to the eventual national champion all three years, 2012(Alabama), 2018(Clemson), 2020(Alabama).

Clemson(2018) and Alabama(2020) annihilated their opponents in the final in both 2018 and 2020.

 

[Golson5]

Brian Kelly made the 2- team and 4- team CFB playoff three times, and lost to the eventual national champion all three years, 2012(Alabama), 2018(Clemson), 2020(Alabama).

Clemson and Alabama annihilated their opponents in the final in both 2018 and 2020.

So what you are saying is he never won a playoff or major bowl game ?

 

[NDSMC78]

This 2024 ND team is better than any other ND team in the modern era.

But Stanford, OU, Michigan, BYU were all top 10-20 teams in 2012 (those were similar wins) and to another posters point: if ND had the opportunity to play in a playoff in 2012 they may have won a couple of rounds before being ran over by Bama

Psychotic drivel.

 

[chaseball]

Brian Kelly made the 2- team and 4- team CFB playoff three times, and lost to the eventual national champion all three years, 2012(Alabama), 2018(Clemson), 2020(Alabama).

Yes and thats why this game vs OSU is so frustrating. Despite all of the wins this year, there's a good chance we get beat handily in this NC game, and it washes away any progress we think we've made as a program and we're right back to where we started from.

 

[NDinNJ]

If we beat Ohio State will you promise to not mention F plus for a year?

Better yet, lifetime ban from the forum.

 

[ftnfan62]

I don't believe it has anything to do with stars. Both PSU and UGA had the same roster level as OSU and we were favored in both.

This is about our injuries and that OSU dominated TX where we struggled with PSU.

Just about everyone on ND that was a captain or stud is out and whats left is at 80%. Thats what its about.

 

[sjb75]

So what you are saying is he never won a playoff or major bowl game ?

If Marcus Freeman had the BCS or 4 team playoff this season, how many playoff games would he have won this season?

ND would not made a 2 or 4 team playoff.

 

[NDSMC78]

Yes and thats why this game vs OSU is so frustrating. Despite all of the wins this year, there's a good chance we get beat handily in this NC game, and it washes away any progress we think we've made as a program and we're right back to where we started from.

Absurd nonsense.

 

[Golson5]

Yes and thats why this game vs OSU is so frustrating. Despite all of the wins this year, there's a good chance we get beat handily in this NC game, and it washes away any progress we think we've made as a program and we're right back to where we started from.

This season is a huge success and huge for the program

 

[chaseball]

This season is a huge success and huge for the program

Has it lead to a better roster? more rare level of talent ? what has it lead to ? If ND gets beat by OSU having a couple of good bowl wins is nice but ND will be no closer to winning a national title next year. The program will still be capped/limited by their talent level next year completely out classed by whatever version(s) of OSU rear their ugly head in the 2025 college football season.

 

[NDinNJ]

How are they not spending it ? NIL compensation doesn't come from that bag of cash you speak of. Educate yourself.

Starting July, they'll be allowed to spend $20 million via revenue sharing.

 

[NDSMC78]

Has it lead to a better roster? more rare level of talent ? what has it lead to ? If ND gets beat by OSU having a couple of good bowl wins is nice but ND will be no closer to winning a national title next year. The program will still be capped/limited by their talent level next year completely out classed by whatever version(s) of OSU rear their ugly head in the 2025 college football season.

Poster should be institutionalized.

 

[chaseball]

Starting July, they'll be allowed to spend $20 million via revenue sharing.

They could be spending $20+ million now if they weren't being completely outclassed by other programs who are being bold and forward thinking and aren't sitting around trying to regress the sport and be politically correct to their own detriment

 

[Golson5]

Has it lead to a better roster? more rare level of talent ? what has it lead to ? If ND gets beat by OSU having a couple of good bowl wins is nice but ND will be no closer to winning a national title next year. The program will still be capped/limited by their talent level next year completely out classed by whatever version(s) of OSU rear their ugly head in the 2025 college football season.

The roster is already loaded and will be next year

 

[Golson5]

They could be spending $20+ million now if they weren't being completely outclassed by other programs who are being bold and forward thinking and aren't sitting around trying to regress the sport and be politically correct to their own detriment.

Like who? Georgia and Psu? Alabama? Michigan? USC? LSU? Texas AM?

What "programs" are outclassing us exactly?

 

[NDinNJ]

They could be spending $20+ million now if they weren't being completely outclassed by other programs who aren't sitting around trying to regress the sport and be politically correct to their own detriment.

YOU'RE AN IDIOT. You really have no clue how NIL works. What a dumbass

 

[NDSMC78]

They could be spending $20+ million now if they weren't being completely outclassed by other programs who are being bold and forward thinking and aren't sitting around trying to regress the sport and be politically correct to their own detriment (from a national championship/winning football games perspective) .. because they are certainly winning from a hoarding wealth/ cash/profit standpoint.

Poster should be under professional supervision.

 

[chaseball]

Like who? Georgia and Psu? Alabama? Michigan? USC? LSU? Texas AM?

What "programs" are outclassing us exactly?

Any team that has a better 85 man roster has more upside than ND during the season (currently about 9 other programs)

 

[chaseball]

I will say, im shocked there aren't as many homers around here picking ND to actually beat OSU. It wasn't too long ago that I was having to go to war with the entire board over the validity of the data/rating systems/talent rankings/etc.

i guess after being correct over and over in that regard the community has at least graduated from doubting the data.

 

[Golson5]

Any team that has a better 85 man roster has more upside than ND during the season (currently about 9 other programs)

🤣🤣🤣🤣 That's funny

Tell me about what actually happened, not what you think the 85 man roster tells you.

Also, were 9th in the team rankings not 10th. And we're 5th in per player avg (higher upside players)

 

[NDSMC78]

I will say, im shocked there aren't as many homers around here picking ND to actually beat OSU. It wasn't too long ago that I was having to go to war with the entire board over the validity of the data/rating systems/talent rankings/etc.

i guess after being correct over and over in that regard the community has at least graduated from doubting the data.

Straitjacket needed.