Just so it's crystal clear: the reason we're big dogs vs OSU is because of their talent advantage

[chaseball]

When Notre Dame loses their top target after their top target again and again on the recruiting trail this is the consequence it's nearly impossible to compete with teams that do secure their top targets on the recruiting trail.

What does 20 million in roster/recruiting NIL differential give you in the current landscape of college football? A 10 point advantage at a neutral site over your competition in the game for the trophy that represents winning it all

More fan pressure needs to be put on Notre Dame to step up to the plate and not allow any team to have this kind of competitive advantage over them and the only way to negate that advantage is to pony up the dollars and start competing for the best talent in the country on the recruiting trail. There's no way around it. You can't keep building a tier 2 roster and selling your fans a fake bill of goods that you're doing everything u can to compete for national titles.

 

[NDSMC78]

When Notre Dame loses their top target after their top target again and again on the recruiting trail this is the consequence it's nearly impossible to compete with teams that do secure their top targets on the recruiting trail.

What does 20 million in roster/recruiting NIL differential give you in the current landscape of college football? A 10 point advantage at a neutral site over your competition in the game for the trophy that represents winning it all

More fan pressure needs to be put on Notre Dame to step up to the plate and not allow any team to have this kind of competitive advantage over them and the only way to negate that advantage is to pony up the dollars and start competing for the best talent in the country on the recruiting trail. There's no way around it. You can't keep building a tier 2 roster and selling your fans a fake bill of goods that you're doing everything yucan to compete for national titles.

More pressure needs to be put on you to stop posting here. You regurgitate the same tired claim day after day, and no one buys what you are selling. I personally believe that you are mentally ill. No one who supports a team would trash that team time after time after time. You are beyond tiresome. You are beyond pathetic. Just a waste of time and space.

 

[sjb75]

This OP, an incessant troll, needs attention.

 

[nd4life211]

Just to be clear, Georgia has 14 five stars to our 1, yet we won that game by double digits. Alabama has 17 five star players and couldn’t even beat Michigan, as was the case with Ohio State (14 five stars). A weaker ND team had this Ohio State team beat last year if not for a dropped pick.

Notre Dame is 9-0 vs in their last 9 ranked match ups and have won 13 in a row. Notre Dame is also 5th in the talent composite rankings for average player rating.

I’d advise you not to expend so much energy on things you can’t control, such as who ND recruits. I’ve heard this discussion for the past two decades and it always comes down to the fact that most 5 stars firstly can’t academically qualify for ND and most 5 star recruits are focused on the NFL and don’t want to put the time into the classroom.

Bring back Mills, Traore and Morrison and the spread is about 4-5.

 

[chaseball]

Just to be clear, Georgia has 14 five stars to our 1, yet we won that game by double digits. Alabama has 17 five star players and couldn’t even beat Michigan, as was the case with Ohio State (14 five stars). A weaker ND team had this Ohio State team beat last year if not for a dropped pick.

Notre Dame is 9-0 vs in their last 9 ranked match ups and have won 13 in a row. Notre Dame is also 5th in the talent composite rankings for average player rating.

I’d advise you not to expend so much energy on things you can’t control, such as who ND recruits. I’ve heard this discussion for the past two decades and it always comes down to the fact that most 5 stars firstly can’t academically qualify for ND and most 5 star recruits are focused on the NFL and don’t want to put the time into the classroom.

Bring back Mills, Traore and Morrison and the spread is about 4-5.

You see people like you keep excusing it away because you can't see beyond your own bias.

You keep hearing about Notre Dame's talent disadvantage/handicap over the last three decades because it's the biggest reason why they've been playing second and third fiddle to the rest of the teams in the country over that time

Notre Dame has a bunch of ranked wins whoop-Dee-Doo which one of those wins has resulted in a championship trophy? Notre Dame predictively builds a second tier roster then maxed out as a second tier team with little to no chance to beat the best teams of the highest quality and then predictably goes home with no hardware and then we do it all over again trying to lie to ourselves that somehow with our three and four star players we are going to compete with teams that are loaded with four and five-star players.

I've countered each and every point You've made ad nauseam over the years hell I've practically written a book on the topic

At the end of the day there is no way around it you are either getting the job done or you are not and Notre Dame is not getting the job done organizationally which is why Notre Dame is a huge underdog versus OSU with little to no chance to actually win the game and bring home a national title

We are Notre Dame we need to stop being satisfied with participation trophies and 2nd tier accomplishments.

 

[sjb75]

Just to be clear, Georgia has 14 five stars to our 1, yet we won that game by double digits. Alabama has 17 five star players and couldn’t even beat Michigan, as was the case with Ohio State (14 five stars). A weaker ND team had this Ohio State team beat last year if not for a dropped pick.

Notre Dame is 9-0 vs in their last 9 ranked match ups and have won 13 in a row. Notre Dame is also 5th in the talent composite rankings for average player rating.

I’d advise you not to expend so much energy on things you can’t control, such as who ND recruits. I’ve heard this discussion for the past two decades and it always comes down to the fact that most 5 stars firstly can’t academically qualify for ND and most 5 star recruits are focused on the NFL and don’t want to put the time into the classroom.

Bring back Mills, Traore and Morrison and the spread is about 4-5.

Thank You for giving chaseball the attention he craves.

 

[sjb75]

Why anyone bothers to respond to this incessant troll after months of this bullshit is beyond me.

 

[chaseball]

Why anyone bothers to respond to this incessant troll after months of this bullshit is beyond me.

I think what you are missing is that it's not "bull shit" it's truth

and despite how much people don't want or like to hear it they know in their gut that it's truth which is why people get defensive and do what you are doing which is derailing conversation

You don't have any good logical responses so you resort to derailing the discussion trying to discredit me and otherwise being toxic. I don't know if you've realized it yet but you have zero influence or impact on this community as a result

 

[christophero]

If we beat Ohio State will you promise to not mention F plus for a year?

 

[IrishMike409]

I think what you are missing is that it's not "bull shit" it's truth

and despite how much people don't want or like to hear it they know in their gut that it's truth

I don't think it's truth. We've beaten the shit out of 2 SEC teams. We beat a loaded PSU team.

We've won games vs ranked teams during every month of the season.

You've been proven wrong. Or you just love being an internet troll. I'm not sure which one it is....

 

[chaseball]

If we beat Ohio State will you promise to not mention F plus for a year?

Give me less educated opinions on Notre Dame so that I can make up stories in my head that they are legit.

Burn the books!!

 

[francade]

What’s the truth? You said ga was better cuz they had better recruits. Then we beat them. That’s the truth. Shove your f+ as far as possible, truth teller.

 

[chaseball]

What’s the truth? You said ga was better cuz they had better recruits. Then we beat them. That’s the truth. Shove your f+ as far as possible, truth teller.

Lol about 99.9% of the things that people say that I said is false and outright lies which is why it never comes with quotes or references despite my post history being public available to anybody.

 

[christophero]

Give me less educated opinions on Notre Dame so that I can make up stories in my head that they are legit.

Burn the books!!

I predicted we would beat Indiana easily. I predicted we would beat Georgia by 14, and we would beat Penn State in a close one. But what do I know?

 

[chaseball]

I don't know why I'm the only Notre Dame fan disappointed at just how small a chance we have to beat this OSU team

This coaching staff and this roster has done everything they possibly can to try to win a national title and are right at the doorstep but because of Notre Dame's outdated philosophy, lack of leadership, and cheapness ND have little to no chance to actually win this game and it's frustrating and nobody calls out the institution for their bullshit

 

[chaseball]

Don't get mad at the University who is sitting on a bottomless bag of cash but won't spend it to improve the institutions odds of winning at the highest level but let out your frustration on me instead

 

[christophero]

I didn't realize we had already lost. Win or lose, this season has been a rousing success.

 

[sjb75]

I don't think it's truth. We've beaten the shit out of 2 SEC teams. We beat a loaded PSU team.

We've won games vs ranked teams during every month of the season.

You've been proven wrong. Or you just love being an internet troll. I'm not sure which one it is....

In fairness Notre Dame did not beat the shit out of Georgia.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

Just to be clear, Georgia has 14 five stars to our 1, yet we won that game by double digits. Alabama has 17 five star players and couldn’t even beat Michigan, as was the case with Ohio State (14 five stars). A weaker ND team had this Ohio State team beat last year if not for a dropped pick.

Notre Dame is 9-0 vs in their last 9 ranked match ups and have won 13 in a row. Notre Dame is also 5th in the talent composite rankings for average player rating.

I’d advise you not to expend so much energy on things you can’t control, such as who ND recruits. I’ve heard this discussion for the past two decades and it always comes down to the fact that most 5 stars firstly can’t academically qualify for ND and most 5 star recruits are focused on the NFL and don’t want to put the time into the classroom.

Bring back Mills, Traore and Morrison and the spread is about 4-5.

Bring back those three and its a whole different ball game. Unfortunately.....they aren't coming.

 

[Patrish]

When Notre Dame loses their top target after their top target again and again on the recruiting trail this is the consequence it's nearly impossible to compete with teams that do secure their top targets on the recruiting trail.

What does 20 million in roster/recruiting NIL differential give you in the current landscape of college football? A 10 point advantage at a neutral site over your competition in the game for the trophy that represents winning it all

More fan pressure needs to be put on Notre Dame to step up to the plate and not allow any team to have this kind of competitive advantage over them and the only way to negate that advantage is to pony up the dollars and start competing for the best talent in the country on the recruiting trail. There's no way around it. You can't keep building a tier 2 roster and selling your fans a fake bill of goods that you're doing everything u can to compete for national titles.

Since you’re not very bright, I’ll just offer you two words: ACADEMIC STANDARDS

 

[chaseball]

Bring back those three and its a whole different ball game. Unfortunately.....they aren't coming.

Or spend more money in NIL so they're not at such a competitive disadvantage that when they lose some of their first teamers they dont lose any chance whatsoever to win games versus tier 1 teams

If you recruited better you would have better quality replacements when inevitable roster attrition hits.

If Notre Dame for example lost a linebacker right now or even two of them they still got four plus guys who can provide high quality championship level reps at the position.

OSU is stacked in a similar way but not just at linebacker they are stacked like that at almost every position group on the field. But Notre Dame is supposed to somehow beat a team like that with that kind of talent and depth who also has a great coaching staff that is developing the hell out of their players

 

[THUNDERSTRUCK111]

Between 3 playoff games we won how much total $$$$ did ND make? Over 35 million I believe. Can’t we use that money to buy a 23 million dollar roster ?

 

[chaseball]

Between 3 playoff games we won how much total $$$$ did ND make? Over 35 million I believe. Can’t we use that money to buy a 23 million dollar roster ?

No at Notre Dame you keep the bags of cash as profit and stuff your coffers and keep the "academic standards" card in your back pocket and flash it at anybody who shows you any evidence of how you are being beat organizationally by your competitors

 

[christophero]

At worst OSU is the only one beating us this year.

 

[chaseball]

At worst OSU is the only one beating us this year.

Notre Dame is big dogs to OSU and then there's a glut of about five teams after that that Notre Dame is basically equal to in the second tier where all of those games would be 50/50 type games

It's nice when you win a couple playoff games and maybe if it hadn't been 30 plus years since Notre Dame had a national title quality team / roster I'd feel differently about it and be able to just take pleasure in beating some good teams down the stretch and winning some nice bowl games. But when Notre Dame is huge underdogs in yet another postseason final four/ championship level game it just gets really frustrating.

And nobody calls out Notre Dame for it either we're all just supposed to lap up the university PR like sheeple

 

[Golson5]

I don't know why I'm the only Notre Dame fan disappointed at just how small a chance we have to beat this OSU team

This coaching staff and this roster has done everything they possibly can to try to win a national title and are right at the doorstep but because of Notre Dame's outdated philosophy, lack of leadership, and cheapness ND have little to no chance to actually win this game and it's frustrating and nobody calls out the institution for their bullshit

If we were healthy, we would beat OSU. Has nothing to do with your nonsense.

 

[chaseball]

If we were healthy, we would beat OSU. Has nothing to do with your nonsense.

If we had more depth with higher end recruits on the second and third teams there wouldn't be the kind of drop off after injuries

Moreover Notre Dame has been behind OSU by alot all year even before the injuries started piling up.

 

[christophero]

Everyone has been below OSU all year.

 

[Golson5]

If we had more depth with higher end recruits on the second and third teams there wouldn't be the kind of drop off after injuries

Moreover Notre Dame has been behind OSU by alot all year even before the injuries started piling up.

Our depth is crazy good

3rd string LT. Backup tackle. Backup Center. Backup guard. Backup wr. Backup Qb. Backup rbs all played huge roles in a semifinal game

On defense, 3rd string DEs on both sides playing a huge role. Backup DTs. Backup corner. We're playing 5 LBs and using some as pass rushers.

The deepest ND team I've seen in last 30 years and one if the deepest teams in the country this year

Unreal depth

 

[NDSMC78]

Don't get mad at the University who is sitting on a bottomless bag of cash but won't spend it to improve the institutions odds of winning at the highest level but let out your frustration on me instead

You have no idea how much money ND is or is not spending. You you constantly state that ND is not spending enough money to satisfy you. You are dishonest. You are telling lies to support your erroneous narrative. Go seek psychiatric help.

 

[chaseball]

Our depth is crazy good

3rd string LT. Backup tackle. Backup Center. Backup guard. Backup wr. Backup Qb. Backup rbs all played huge roles in a semifinal game

On defense, 3rd string DEs on both sides playing a huge role. Backup DTs. Backup corner. We're playing 5 LBs and using some as pass rushers.

The deepest ND team I've seen in last 30 years and one if the deepest teams in the country this year

Unreal depth

So how do you make the argument for depth on this Notre Dame team (which I agree with by the way this team is deep -- it's lacking height (upside) but it is very wide) but then make the argument that it's injuries/lack of depth preventing this team from having a better shot at beating OSU? You can't have it both ways.

Either the team is deep enough to withstand injuries and win games at the highest level or it's not.

This ND team isn't good enough. Even if they had a full healthy roster intact they'd still be completely outclassed by this 2024 OSU team.

 

[hvillebill]

When Notre Dame loses their top target after their top target again and again on the recruiting trail this is the consequence it's nearly impossible to compete with teams that do secure their top targets on the recruiting trail.

What does 20 million in roster/recruiting NIL differential give you in the current landscape of college football? A 10 point advantage at a neutral site over your competition in the game for the trophy that represents winning it all

More fan pressure needs to be put on Notre Dame to step up to the plate and not allow any team to have this kind of competitive advantage over them and the only way to negate that advantage is to pony up the dollars and start competing for the best talent in the country on the recruiting trail. There's no way around it. You can't keep building a tier 2 roster and selling your fans a fake bill of goods that you're doing everything u can to compete for national titles.

You already said that in another thread you started, Doofus.

 

[NDSMC78]

So how do you make the argument for depth on this Notre Dame team (which I agree with by the way this team is deep -- it's lacking height (upside) but it is very wide) but then make the argument that it's injuries/lack of depth preventing this team from having a better shot at beating OSU? You can't have it both ways.

Either the team is deep enough to withstand injuries and win games at the highest level or it's not.

This ND team isn't good enough. Even if they had a full healthy roster intact they'd still be completely outclassed by this 2024 OSU team.

More idiotic rants from an idiot who knows zero about the game.

 

[Golson5]

So how do you make the argument for depth on this Notre Dame team (which I agree with by the way this team is deep -- it's lacking height (upside) but it is very wide) but then make the argument that it's injuries/lack of depth preventing this team from having a better shot at beating OSU? You can't have it both ways.

Either the team is deep enough to withstand injuries and win games at the highest level or it's not.

This ND team isn't good enough. Even if they had a full healthy roster intact they'd still be completely outclassed by this 2024 OSU team.

Because it would be insanely difficult for any team to win a game against a great team when they are so depleted

I would be saying the same thing if the roles were reversed. If we were as healthy as they are and they were at our health, I would expect to beat them probably like they expect to beat us

Very simple

 

[sjb75]

Everyone has been below OSU all year.

Tell that to Michigan. They may disagree.

They may also disagree for the three seasons previous to this one.

 

[chaseball]

Because it would be insanely difficult for any team to win a game against a great team when they are so depleted

I would be saying the same thing if the roles were reversed. If we were as healthy as they are and they were at our health, I would expect to beat them probably like they expect to beat us

Very simple

It's all very simple so long as we ignore all the evidence when you compare these teams 85 man rosters and their respective 2024 output.

 

[hvillebill]

More idiotic rants from an idiot who knows zero about the game.

If there was a Hall of Fame for the Dumbest Posters of All Time Chase would be at the head of the list.

I’ve been on this board for over 20 years and I’ve never seen anything like him.

 

[NIN Irish]

If there was a Hall of Fame for the Dumbest Posters of All Time Chase would be at the head of the list.

I’ve been on this board for over 20 years and I’ve never seen anything like him.

He gets worse with age, especially now with ND on cusp of the championship, blowing up all his numbers.

 

[chaseball]

He gets worse with age, especially now with ND on cusp of the championship.

I fear I'm going to die before Notre Dame wins another national title

And that's frustrating because very few programs are doing less with more

That's also frustrating because I feel like despite all the evidence out there I'm the only one who seems able to put it together and see this program for what it is

I wish I could be as naive as the typical Notre Dame fan and find a way to find hope in this hopeless ass situation

 

[Golson5]

It's all very simple so long as we ignore all the evidence when you compare these teams 85 man rosters and their respective 2024 output.

Yeah. We're 14 and 1 and they are 13 and 2 and we're in the same position, playing for the NC

Only diff is is we are more injured and have one more win