Irish Fans: Join the ACC.

[topdecktiger]

Lol ok VT has never won a Football NC then all you have is FSU. PERIOD!!!!!it's known as the All Cupcake Conference for a reason

Sure the East coast has more TVs than the Midwest but to think ND need the ACC to help in recruiting is laughable.....it amazing that ND was a national recruiter before the ACC contract huh?

Now I live in Nebraska, and NO ONE believe those were Big 10 NC si that that crap some where else

BTW

So that means between ND and the U the ACC has accumulated some 19+ NC more? Well if you can't win them on the field attrition is the next step huh?
Thanks

Nope, that's not correct either. Clemson and Georgia Tech have each won a national championship in the ACC.

You need to start reading what I say, instead of twisting words and making up things in your head. This argument is not about the strength of Notre Dame. The argument is purely about whether it was a better choice to join the ACC or Big 12. That's not saying Notre Dame needs "help" in recruiting. That's just you being overly sensitive and reading more into a statement than was there.

The point was, Notre Dame was either going to partially join either the ACC or Big 12. Notre Dame had already decided to take that step. Well, once that decision is made, you might as well get the most bang for your buck. Well, in terms of recruiting, the ACC offers more areas than the Big 12. If you've decided to pick between the two, then you might as well pick the one that offers the most benefit.

Now to your last point. You have this stupid fixation with who the national championships "belong to." The truth is, Nebraska's national championships aren't Big 12 championship or Big Ten championships. They are Nebraska national championships. The point is, when you play a schools like Nebraska, you know you are playing a quality program. That's the reason you add a school like Nebraska. You don't add them just to say, "Our conference won ______ national championships." You add them because of the quality and recognition the school brings. When Nebraska went to the Big Ten, it means they added another quality program. It also means the Big 12 lost a quality program. It does absolutely ZERO good for the Big 12 that Nebraska won all those titles, because Nebraska no longer plays in the Big 12.

 

[beachcardinal]

well the BIG 12 would let you write your own ticket since they desperate need a quality to move toward 12 and get a championship game. I am not sure why academics is so important fort other teams in a conference, but if that is what you want the Pac 12 is the only choice.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

Your arguments make no logical sense. South Carolina is one of the most conservative states in the country. Kentucky is very conservative as well, as is northern Florida. That fact is, most of the ACC schools are from the south, and conservative populations.

As I pointed out to you, Notre Dame does not have options in the Big 12. I've pointed this out several times, and you have yet to refute it. Notre Dame simply doesn't have the content to form a network. All the football games are tied up with NBC. Basketball and other sports are tied up with the ACC network for 20 years. There simply isn't a way for Notre Dame to have enough content to start its own network. As I mentioned to the other poster, Notre Dame had a chance to go to the Big 12 and turned it down in favor of the ACC. The idea of going to the Big12 is a pipe dream.



Your idea that Notre Dame was looking at the weakest conference is inaccurate. The articles clearly indicate that Notre Dame joined the ACC for market and academics. The ACC's media footprint is double that of the Big 12. (This is why the ACC has a network, and the Big 12 doesn't.) The ACC has better overall recruiting areas that the Big 12. And then, the ACC as a group is generally considered more prestigious academically than the Big 12.

Yet another factual error on your part. Virginia Tech has never won a national championship. Regarding Miami, this issue is not where the championships were won. The program itself resides in the ACC. It's like with Nebraska. All the championships Nebraska won doesn't add to the Big 12's strength, because Nebraska is no longer in that conference. The Nebraska program that actually won those championships is in the Big Ten. When Nebraska left the Big 12, the championships Nebraska won no longer add to the strength of the Big 12.

"Notre Dame was looking at the weakest conference"? You made that up. "Virginia Tech has never won a national championship"? Never said that either.....you made that up too. I'm sure you also knew that Maryland joining the B1G was a pipedream. Right? If you want to debate a point or three....then start with something I actually typed. Making stuff up is a sign of weakness.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Nope, that's not correct either. Clemson and Georgia Tech have each won a national championship in the ACC.

You need to start reading what I say, instead of twisting words and making up things in your head. This argument is not about the strength of Notre Dame. The argument is purely about whether it was a better choice to join the ACC or Big 12. That's not saying Notre Dame needs "help" in recruiting. That's just you being overly sensitive and reading more into a statement than was there.

The point was, Notre Dame was either going to partially join either the ACC or Big 12. Notre Dame had already decided to take that step. Well, once that decision is made, you might as well get the most bang for your buck. Well, in terms of recruiting, the ACC offers more areas than the Big 12. If you've decided to pick between the two, then you might as well pick the one that offers the most benefit.

Now to your last point. You have this stupid fixation with who the national championships "belong to." The truth is, Nebraska's national championships aren't Big 12 championship or Big Ten championships. They are Nebraska national championships. The point is, when you play a schools like Nebraska, you know you are playing a quality program. That's the reason you add a school like Nebraska. You don't add them just to say, "Our conference won ______ national championships." You add them because of the quality and recognition the school brings. When Nebraska went to the Big Ten, it means they added another quality program. It also means the Big 12 lost a quality program. It does absolutely ZERO good for the Big 12 that Nebraska won all those titles, because Nebraska no longer plays in the Big 12.

That's like saying it does the SEC no good because of X SEC teams have won NC.

It perception.

I will respond to the rest later I'm out with my wife shipping and she getting in me now with this reply .....lol.
uugh

"Notre Dame was looking at the weakest conference"? You made that up. "Virginia Tech has never won a national championship"? Never said that either.....you made that up too. I'm sure you also knew that Maryland joining the B1G was a pipedream. Right? If you want to debate a point or three....then start with something I actually typed. Making stuff up is a sign of weakness.

"Notre Dame was looking at the weakest conference"? You made that up. "Virginia Tech has never won a national championship"? Never said that either.....you made that up too. I'm sure you also knew that Maryland joining the B1G was a pipedream. Right? If you want to debate a point or three....then start with something I actually typed. Making stuff up is a sign of weakness.

He was directing that at me.
I did say VT won a NC getting the mixed up with GT.
I also said IMO ND was following FSU leads of easy road to travel.
I also forgot about Clemson won when coach Ford lead them in 1981

But since GT split title in 1990 it's all been FSU. AKA one trick pony

Now to the point of ND national recruiting we have already pointed out ND was recruiting nationally successfully before any ACC talk, and their accedmics status stands on its own. Having to be with like a minded conference is weak. I can argue the Big 10 is just as well considered academically.
Then there's his argument that the media was stronger in the ACC, which makes no sense because EVERY ND GAME is televised. ND history has made them above what he ACC or any conferences media can do.
But to be honest JS has put ND in a position of making it very difficult to move away from the new deal, and keeping coach Kelly at this point is becoming a far worse deal than this ACC crap contract

 

[topdecktiger]

"Notre Dame was looking at the weakest conference"? You made that up. "Virginia Tech has never won a national championship"? Never said that either.....you made that up too. I'm sure you also knew that Maryland joining the B1G was a pipedream. Right? If you want to debate a point or three....then start with something I actually typed. Making stuff up is a sign of weakness.

If you would pay attention, I quoted two posters. I responded to you in the first paragraph, and responded to the other poster in the second paragraph. Pay attention before you accuse someone of something.

That's like saying it does the SEC no good because of X SEC teams have won NC.

It perception.

I will respond to the rest later I'm out with my wife shipping and she getting in me now with this reply .....lol.
uugh


He was directing that at me.
I did say VT won a NC getting the mixed up with GT.
I also said IMO ND was following FSU leads of easy road to travel.
I also forgot about Clemson won when coach Ford lead them in 1981

But since GT split title in 1990 it's all been FSU. AKA one trick pony

Now to the point of ND national recruiting we have already pointed out ND was recruiting nationally successfully before any ACC talk, and their accedmics status stands on its own. Having to be with like a minded conference is weak. I can argue the Big 10 is just as well considered academically.
Then there's his argument that the media was stronger in the ACC, which makes no sense because EVERY ND GAME is televised. ND history has made them above what he ACC or any conferences media can do.
But to be honest JS has put ND in a position of making it very difficult to move away from the new deal, and keeping coach Kelly at this point is becoming a far worse deal than this ACC crap contract

Yes, you're right, it is perception. Having a team in your conference that won National Championships helps with the perception of your conference. Whether you want to officially credit the championships to one conference or the other is irrelevant. The perception is based on the team that won them. As I was pointing out in my Nebraska example, it does the Big 12 no good that Nebraska won all those titles, because Nebraska is gone. Therefore, that has hurt the perception of the Big 12.

Going back to recruiting. You can't get this through your head. This has nothing to do with Notre Dame's ability to recruit. Get this through your head. I'm not saying has to join one conference or the other to recruit. What I'm saying is, if you have already decided to join a conference (I mean partial membership), you might as well get the best deal you can. I was using recruiting as one example. You can join the Big 12 where the only real talent bed is Texas. In the ACC you have Florida, plus Georgia, North Carolina, Virginia, and Pennsylvania all have good pools of talent. Ok, since you have already decided you are going to join one conference or the other, why not at least make the best of it and pick the one that offers the most benefits? That's the point. You are too hellbent on proving Notre Dame doesn't need any help to understand what I'm actually saying to you.

The media thing. No, the media thing makes perfect sense. What you don't understand is that the home team owns the rights to ballgames. Notre Dame only owns its home games. The road games are owned by your opponents, which means those games are subject to the conditions of the home team's TV contract. That affects which channels televise the games, in what regions the games are broadcasted, etc. The ACC offers better distribution in that regard than the Big 12. You are also leaving out that this is about more than just football. Basketball, baseball, and other sports are better covered in the ACC, due to its contract with ESPN, and the upcoming network. Now again, you have to understand. You already decided to join a conference. Therefore, why not take the one that offers the most benefit? It would be stupid to decide to join a conference, and then join the conference that didn't offer as much benefit.

I'm going to say it again so you will understand it. This isn't an argument about what Notre Dame can accomplish on its own. It isn't an argument about whether Notre Dame needs a conference in the first place. This is a very narrow discussion. It's simply about which conference offers the most benefit, the ACC or Big 12. That's it. It's not about whether Notre Dame "needs" a conference to recruit. That's not part of the discussion. It's not about whether the Big Ten is better than the ACC. The Big Ten wasn't in consideration for this deal. It was only the ACC or Big 12. It doesn't matter if you think the Big Ten has better academics than the ACC, because the Big Ten wasn't offering partial membership. Notre Dame was choosing between the ACC and Big 12, so that's the only comparison you have to make.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

If you would pay attention, I quoted two posters. I responded to you in the first paragraph, and responded to the other poster in the second paragraph. Pay attention before you accuse someone of something.



Yes, you're right, it is perception. Having a team in your conference that won National Championships helps with the perception of your conference. Whether you want to officially credit the championships to one conference or the other is irrelevant. The perception is based on the team that won them. As I was pointing out in my Nebraska example, it does the Big 12 no good that Nebraska won all those titles, because Nebraska is gone. Therefore, that has hurt the perception of the Big 12.

Going back to recruiting. You can't get this through your head. This has nothing to do with Notre Dame's ability to recruit. Get this through your head. I'm not saying has to join one conference or the other to recruit. What I'm saying is, if you have already decided to join a conference (I mean partial membership), you might as well get the best deal you can. I was using recruiting as one example. You can join the Big 12 where the only real talent bed is Texas. In the ACC you have Florida, plus Georgia, North Carolina, Virginia, and Pennsylvania all have good pools of talent. Ok, since you have already decided you are going to join one conference or the other, why not at least make the best of it and pick the one that offers the most benefits? That's the point. You are too hellbent on proving Notre Dame doesn't need any help to understand what I'm actually saying to you.

The media thing. No, the media thing makes perfect sense. What you don't understand is that the home team owns the rights to ballgames. Notre Dame only owns its home games. The road games are owned by your opponents, which means those games are subject to the conditions of the home team's TV contract. That affects which channels televise the games, in what regions the games are broadcasted, etc. The ACC offers better distribution in that regard than the Big 12. You are also leaving out that this is about more than just football. Basketball, baseball, and other sports are better covered in the ACC, due to its contract with ESPN, and the upcoming network. Now again, you have to understand. You already decided to join a conference. Therefore, why not take the one that offers the most benefit? It would be stupid to decide to join a conference, and then join the conference that didn't offer as much benefit.

I'm going to say it again so you will understand it. This isn't an argument about what Notre Dame can accomplish on its own. It isn't an argument about whether Notre Dame needs a conference in the first place. This is a very narrow discussion. It's simply about which conference offers the most benefit, the ACC or Big 12. That's it. It's not about whether Notre Dame "needs" a conference to recruit. That's not part of the discussion. It's not about whether the Big Ten is better than the ACC. The Big Ten wasn't in consideration for this deal. It was only the ACC or Big 12. It doesn't matter if you think the Big Ten has better academics than the ACC, because the Big Ten wasn't offering partial membership. Notre Dame was choosing between the ACC and Big 12, so that's the only comparison you have to make.

I always check the source before I read or choose not to read.....I chose not to read this drivel....sorry you spent so much time on it.

 

[topdecktiger]

I always check the source before I read or choose not to read.....I chose not to read this drivel....sorry you spent so much time on it.

You obviously chose not read the last post either, since you so badly misunderstood it.

The truth is, you can't support your position on a factual or logical basis, so now you just try to deflect into personal criticism. Typical of someone who can't intellectually defend a position.

Oh, and regarding how much time I spent on my last post, you really need to learn to read. I only addresses you in one paragraph. The rest of my post was addressed to another poster.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

You obviously chose not read the last post either, since you so badly misunderstood it.

The truth is, you can't support your position on a factual or logical basis, so now you just try to deflect into personal criticism. Typical of someone who can't intellectually defend a position.

Oh, and regarding how much time I spent on my last post, you really need to learn to read. I only addresses you in one paragraph. The rest of my post was addressed to another poster.

I am not emotionally invested on a message board...so its an exercise in futility to try and provoke or offend me. I say what I think, and you are free to disagree. Notice the word "free"? Thats what this message board is...free. Members of the Barney Fife platoon, like yourself....take yourselves far too seriously. Your self-importance cannot be managed to a point necessary with which to dialogue minus the conflict. Barney would be proud.

Your arguments share one thing in common with my own...speculation. Whether its conference membership, next year's coach or team performance, Jack Swarbick's thinking...doesn't matter....speculation. I accept that. The Barney Fife Platoon struggles with another point of view. I don't care who agrees or disagrees with me. I, like everyone else on this board, am getting what I pay for.

 

[BM16]

I live in the heart of ACC country and as a Notre Dame football fan I say it is time for them to join the conference. The ACC is getting stronger as a football conference, it is not the SEC lite. The SEC was vastly overrated this season. Notre Dame would still have every conference game broadcast to a predominately national audience. It's time to get out of independents. It is not serving them any purpose. If they joined the ACC and were placed into the coastal division they would serve a good shot of competing every year to get to the ACCCG. FSU and Clemson are on the same side, so if ND were to join they would not load the Atlantic up heavy like that. It's time to do it.

 

[deadirishpoet]

If you would pay attention, I quoted two posters. I responded to you in the first paragraph, and responded to the other poster in the second paragraph. Pay attention before you accuse someone of something.



Yes, you're right, it is perception. Having a team in your conference that won National Championships helps with the perception of your conference. Whether you want to officially credit the championships to one conference or the other is irrelevant. The perception is based on the team that won them. As I was pointing out in my Nebraska example, it does the Big 12 no good that Nebraska won all those titles, because Nebraska is gone. Therefore, that has hurt the perception of the Big 12.

Going back to recruiting. You can't get this through your head. This has nothing to do with Notre Dame's ability to recruit. Get this through your head. I'm not saying has to join one conference or the other to recruit. What I'm saying is, if you have already decided to join a conference (I mean partial membership), you might as well get the best deal you can. I was using recruiting as one example. You can join the Big 12 where the only real talent bed is Texas. In the ACC you have Florida, plus Georgia, North Carolina, Virginia, and Pennsylvania all have good pools of talent. Ok, since you have already decided you are going to join one conference or the other, why not at least make the best of it and pick the one that offers the most benefits? That's the point. You are too hellbent on proving Notre Dame doesn't need any help to understand what I'm actually saying to you.

The media thing. No, the media thing makes perfect sense. What you don't understand is that the home team owns the rights to ballgames. Notre Dame only owns its home games. The road games are owned by your opponents, which means those games are subject to the conditions of the home team's TV contract. That affects which channels televise the games, in what regions the games are broadcasted, etc. The ACC offers better distribution in that regard than the Big 12. You are also leaving out that this is about more than just football. Basketball, baseball, and other sports are better covered in the ACC, due to its contract with ESPN, and the upcoming network. Now again, you have to understand. You already decided to join a conference. Therefore, why not take the one that offers the most benefit? It would be stupid to decide to join a conference, and then join the conference that didn't offer as much benefit.

I'm going to say it again so you will understand it. This isn't an argument about what Notre Dame can accomplish on its own. It isn't an argument about whether Notre Dame needs a conference in the first place. This is a very narrow discussion. It's simply about which conference offers the most benefit, the ACC or Big 12. That's it. It's not about whether Notre Dame "needs" a conference to recruit. That's not part of the discussion. It's not about whether the Big Ten is better than the ACC. The Big Ten wasn't in consideration for this deal. It was only the ACC or Big 12. It doesn't matter if you think the Big Ten has better academics than the ACC, because the Big Ten wasn't offering partial membership. Notre Dame was choosing between the ACC and Big 12, so that's the only comparison you have to make.

It not i whose decided to join a conference that would be JS... I have been very clear I want ND to remain independent, but I do understand JS reading the writing on the wall.
The reason I bright up the Big 12 is due to ND brings Midwest team we have already proven ND recruits everywhere so not need for the ACC there , but after reading what you've posted the Big 12 shot themselves in the foot with a 6 team mandatory.

The problem is to think the ACC really allows ND to be considered an independent laughable.
Maybe there is a new definition of independent?????? Having to play 5 teams is not independent.
I personally think the Big 10 is the best fit for all sports and accedmics, but some whom I respect on this board believe ND will not get a fair shake. I do not believe this to be true.

 

[deadirishpoet]

I live in the heart of ACC country and as a Notre Dame football fan I say it is time for them to join the conference. The ACC is getting stronger as a football conference, it is not the SEC lite. The SEC was vastly overrated this season. Notre Dame would still have every conference game broadcast to a predominately national audience. It's time to get out of independents. It is not serving them any purpose. If they joined the ACC and were placed into the coastal division they would serve a good shot of competing every year to get to the ACCCG. FSU and Clemson are on the same side, so if ND were to join they would not load the Atlantic up heavy like that. It's time to do it.

Joining the ACC does not elevate ND in any way.
JS screwed the pooch with this deal

 

[DieHard_Irish]

The ACC is a stronger, deeper, top to bottom conference over the Big 12, and Big 10.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

The ACC is a stronger, deeper, top to bottom conference over the Big 12, and Big 10.

how does that help Notre Dame in athletics? Nebraska and Penn State joined the Witness Protection Program when they joined the B1G.

 

[canefan61]

The Noles want ND in ACC so the Noles can be relevant again in CFB. Without ND, the ACC is just SEClite.

Can't believe what I just read and had to read it twice. You actually think by having ND in the ACC it will make the Noles relevant? A record of 4-8 is relevant? ND and my team, the 'Canes, can no longer live off their name. Get real.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

Can't believe what I just read and had to read it twice. You actually think by having ND in the ACC it will make the Noles relevant? A record of 4-8 is relevant? ND and my team, the 'Canes, can no longer live off their name. Get real.

no Notre Dame fan with a brain believes that.

 

[Catslash]

ND doesn't cheat enough to be a full time member of the ACC. If ND ever got that hankering, they would need to hire some hookers, let the football team turn into hoodlums, pay off the police to turn a blind eye and institute some fraudulent courses -- only then would ND fit in.

 

[SeanPol355]

Can't believe what I just read and had to read it twice. You actually think by having ND in the ACC it will make the Noles relevant? A record of 4-8 is relevant? ND and my team, the 'Canes, can no longer live off their name. Get real.

The value of the ACC brand, and of its members like FSU, goes up if ND joins football. Records don't matter. Relevancy does. And you don't have it like ND has it.

 

[deadirishpoet]

The ACC is a stronger, deeper, top to bottom conference over the Big 12, and Big 10.

I will take that bet in regards to the Big 10

 

[topdecktiger]

I am not emotionally invested on a message board...so its an exercise in futility to try and provoke or offend me. I say what I think, and you are free to disagree. Notice the word "free"? Thats what this message board is...free. Members of the Barney Fife platoon, like yourself....take yourselves far too seriously. Your self-importance cannot be managed to a point necessary with which to dialogue minus the conflict. Barney would be proud.

Your arguments share one thing in common with my own...speculation. Whether its conference membership, next year's coach or team performance, Jack Swarbick's thinking...doesn't matter....speculation. I accept that. The Barney Fife Platoon struggles with another point of view. I don't care who agrees or disagrees with me. I, like everyone else on this board, am getting what I pay for.

You are emotionally invested. That's why you are taking shots at me with the "Barney Fife" comments. The truth is, you made this claim that the Big 12 is somehow a better fit for Catholic values, and there simply isn't anything to back that up. You were also wrong about having more options in the Big 12, because of how Notre Dame's contracts are structured. The difference between you and me is I actually have something concrete to back up my opinion. You don't.

It not i whose decided to join a conference that would be JS... I have been very clear I want ND to remain independent, but I do understand JS reading the writing on the wall.
The reason I bright up the Big 12 is due to ND brings Midwest team we have already proven ND recruits everywhere so not need for the ACC there , but after reading what you've posted the Big 12 shot themselves in the foot with a 6 team mandatory.

The problem is to think the ACC really allows ND to be considered an independent laughable.
Maybe there is a new definition of independent?????? Having to play 5 teams is not independent.
I personally think the Big 10 is the best fit for all sports and accedmics, but some whom I respect on this board believe ND will not get a fair shake. I do not believe this to be true.

I understand you don't want to be in a conference and Swarbrick was the one who made the decision. That's my entire point. Once he made that decision, it's only about which conference offers you more benefits. The argument about whether you should even join a conference is already out the window.

You keep using this word "need" when talking about the ACC. I don't know why you can't get this through your head. You don't "need" the Big 12 either. The point is, if you are choosing between the two conferences, which one offers you more benefit? It's pretty clear the ACC does. Again, it's not about "need." It's about getting the most bang for your buck.

I'm not arguing with you about the Big Ten being the best fit. The problem is, you have go by reality, not what you personally want. The reality is, the ACC and Big 12 were the only conferences that offered partial membership. Those were the only choices, so those are the only two conferences that are relevant to the discussion.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

You are emotionally invested. That's why you are taking shots at me with the "Barney Fife" comments. The truth is, you made this claim that the Big 12 is somehow a better fit for Catholic values, and there simply isn't anything to back that up. You were also wrong about having more options in the Big 12, because of how Notre Dame's contracts are structured. The difference between you and me is I actually have something concrete to back up my opinion. You don't.



I understand you don't want to be in a conference and Swarbrick was the one who made the decision. That's my entire point. Once he made that decision, it's only about which conference offers you more benefits. The argument about whether you should even join a conference is already out the window.

You keep using this word "need" when talking about the ACC. I don't know why you can't get this through your head. You don't "need" the Big 12 either. The point is, if you are choosing between the two conferences, which one offers you more benefit? It's pretty clear the ACC does. Again, it's not about "need." It's about getting the most bang for your buck.

I'm not arguing with you about the Big Ten being the best fit. The problem is, you have go by reality, not what you personally want. The reality is, the ACC and Big 12 were the only conferences that offered partial membership. Those were the only choices, so those are the only two conferences that are relevant to the discussion.

You have an opinion....based upon your amateur belief and knowledge Notre Dame could not and should not ever be in the B12, but rather the ACC. That is well and good....yet nothing more than an opinion. You can disagree with me....I really don't care. You are a poster on a free message board whose opinion is worth as much or as little as other posters deem it to be. Keep your "can so...can not" juvenile arguments for your camcorder...or whatever you use to practice your message board expert litigation. Make yourself a paper ribbon and pin it on your chest if you really believe you've earned it.

 

[canefan61]

The value of the ACC brand, and of its members like FSU, goes up if ND joins football. Records don't matter. Relevancy does. And you don't have it like ND has it.

Sean, that is debatable. Regardless of the fact that both ND and Miami have not been elite of late, they are still a huge TV draw probably because the rest of the nation would like to see us both lose.

Interesting comments about the ACC being corrupt, etc. Most fans outside of ND would consider a lot of these comments being extremely arrogant particularly in view of the academic cheating. BTW, I do not agree with the NCAA's position against ND on this issue and hope that your administration fights it. Tillery has also put a black mark on ND. He should receive an extremely harsh punishment. No team is immune to these issues so a lot of your posters need to get over the fact that ND is better than everyone else as we are all vunerable. Choose the conference that best suits ND.

 

[topdecktiger]

You have an opinion....based upon your amateur belief and knowledge Notre Dame could not and should not ever be in the B12, but rather the ACC. That is well and good....yet nothing more than an opinion. You can disagree with me....I really don't care. You are a poster on a free message board whose opinion is worth as much or as little as other posters deem it to be. Keep your "can so...can not" juvenile arguments for your camcorder...or whatever you use to practice your message board expert litigation. Make yourself a paper ribbon and pin it on your chest if you really believe you've earned it.

I notice you have abandoned any attempt to defend your position, and have turned exclusively to criticizing me. If you really didn't care what I have to say, then you would stop responding.

 

[smurfdaddy]

The Big 10 only wants us for our money and the TV sets we turn on. They would screw us every chance they get.

Umm that's why everybody wants you not damn sure because you're any good anymore

 

[smurfdaddy]

the ACC relationship has been a freakin disaster! crooked officials and corruption!

pot meet kettle

 

[NDSMC78]

Umm that's why everybody wants you not damn sure because you're any good anymore

Well, wasn't that a clever response to my post.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

I notice you have abandoned any attempt to defend your position, and have turned exclusively to criticizing me. If you really didn't care what I have to say, then you would stop responding.

I don't have a "position to defend", Barn.....I have an o-p-I-n-I-o-n.....I could give two shit$ whether you like it, dislike it....agree with it...or disagree with it. Get your Tarnish remover out and shine your bullet.....then you can direct traffic outside the barber shop, for all I care. Either way.....your Fifedom is what it is.

You don't write the rules here....So you can't play litigator.....you're just a freeloading poster like I am. Now run along....before I decide to pay Thelma Lou a visit.....

 

[topdecktiger]

I don't have a "position to defend", Barn.....I have an o-p-I-n-I-o-n.....I could give two shit$ whether you like it, dislike it....agree with it...or disagree with it. Get your Tarnish remover out and shine your bullet.....then you can direct traffic outside the barber shop, for all I care. Either way.....your Fifedom is what it is.

You don't write the rules here....So you can't play litigator.....you're just a freeloading poster like I am. Now run along....before I decide to pay Thelma Lou a visit.....

An opinion is a position, and you can't defend it. And again, if my opinion didn't matter, you wouldn't keep responding.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

An opinion is a position, and you can't defend it. And again, if my opinion didn't matter, you wouldn't keep responding.

You are the issue, Deputy Fife...not your opinions, positions or your police whistle. You like to feel important on an anonymous, free message board. Congrats....

 

[topdecktiger]

You are the issue, Deputy Fife...not your opinions, positions or your police whistle. You like to feel important on an anonymous, free message board. Congrats....

No, I just pointed out the weaknesses in your position, and you can't take it.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

No, I just pointed out the weaknesses in your position, and you can't take it.

lol....you don't even know what "my position" really is...because you take yourself on a football message board so seriously... apparently...there ain't much else? You don't know anything beyond your own agenda....yet you get on here a lecture total strangers like you have some inside knowledge about them or "their position". Legend in your own mind, there, Barn? Wow...what a clown.

 

[topdecktiger]

lol....you don't even know what "my position" really is...because you take yourself on a football message board so seriously... apparently...there ain't much else? You don't know anything beyond your own agenda....yet you get on here a lecture total strangers like you have some inside knowledge about them or "their position". Legend in your own mind, there, Barn? Wow...what a clown.

Yes, I do know what your position is. You stated it clearly. The only thing I did was point out the flaws in your position. Now, you accuse me of having an agenda, lecturing strangers, and being a legend in my own mind. None of that is true. It's very simple. All I told you was a) the Big 12 isn't more conservative or amenable to Catholic values than the ACC, and was able to provide examples to back it up, b) Notre Dame can't start its own network because it's already signed away its broadcast rights. That's not an agenda. That's not a lecture. That's not being a legend in my own mind. That's me just being able to make a cogent argument, rather that just making up crap like you do.

 

[deadirishpoet]

You are emotionally invested. That's why you are taking shots at me with the "Barney Fife" comments. The truth is, you made this claim that the Big 12 is somehow a better fit for Catholic values, and there simply isn't anything to back that up. You were also wrong about having more options in the Big 12, because of how Notre Dame's contracts are structured. The difference between you and me is I actually have something concrete to back up my opinion. You don't.



I understand you don't want to be in a conference and Swarbrick was the one who made the decision. That's my entire point. Once he made that decision, it's only about which conference offers you more benefits. The argument about whether you should even join a conference is already out the window.

You keep using this word "need" when talking about the ACC. I don't know why you can't get this through your head. You don't "need" the Big 12 either. The point is, if you are choosing between the two conferences, which one offers you more benefit? It's pretty clear the ACC does. Again, it's not about "need." It's about getting the most bang for your buck.

I'm not arguing with you about the Big Ten being the best fit. The problem is, you have go by reality, not what you personally want. The reality is, the ACC and Big 12 were the only conferences that offered partial membership. Those were the only choices, so those are the only two conferences that are relevant to the discussion.

I understand Notre Dame is no longer a true independent. I understand JS felt he had little chose(since he is in the know) to start hedging his bets, and he felt the ACC was the best fit.
I don't buy the marketing idea because ND is a brand unto its self is already established on the east coast nothing could change that, or make them bigger. They get plenty TV exposure though you think the ACC channel is some kind of blessing instead of ND getting g their own channel. They are big enough.
So why is JS so gun ho about joining a conference, and trying to put up this facade that ND is still an independent in football?
Do you you think he sees ND will be force into a conference due to the landscape of the playoff system and its expanding future?

If it is expanding the likelihood of an independent of making the playoff is greater than it is now so there must be some other reason.

JS is thinking small ball and does not have the faith in Notre Dame as an independent, or the prospects of a ND channel working from what I understand IMO

I know you've stated something about broadcasting rights, but if Texas can do it ND can unless that's something else JS screwed up on?

I'm not really sure of the reasoning for the extended contact with the ACC at this time thou he has said the "phone lines are open" this new contract strangles any other options but to be stuck in a crap conference in regards to football...and let's be honest here football drives the train outside of very small handful of basketball programs football pays for everything

Now in regards to the Big 12 our conversation did start off between the Big 12 and the ACC until you've posted that subsection from Orange Blood, and I conceded that so turn the page.
I have always wanted Notre Dame to be in the Big 10 (though as I've stated some people on this board whom I have a great deal of respect for) believe that would be a mistake. I do not, but again JS got this BS ACC deal with the facade of Notre Dame being an independent. I do know anyone who believes ND is a true independent now
BTW I live in the Midwest and there is a very strong Catholic presents here, and there is a difference between East Coast values and Midwest values. I have lived in New Jersey and I am now living in Nebraska it's like night and day