Irish Fans: Join the ACC.

[Syd4ND]

ND needs to create their own conference. Get some defectors along with the Houston and Memphis of the world and force an 8 team playoff by the creation of a 6th Power conference.

I honestly believe they could get BC, WV, Pitt,Penn St, Cincinnati, and BYU for sure. Potentially Syracuse and maybe Nebraska. Add in Memphis and Houston and that's a good conference.

 

[NDSMC78]

ND needs to create their own conference. Get some defectors along with the Houston and Memphis of the world and force an 8 team playoff by the creation of a 6th Power conference.

Houston? Memphis? You're kidding.

 

[Syd4ND]

Houston? Memphis? You're kidding.

Is it supposed to be 12 juggernauts? Is it a homework conference? Not sure anyone wants to play in a conference where all 12 schools are on an equal footing.

 

[topdecktiger]

Is it supposed to be 12 juggernauts? Is it a homework conference? Not sure anyone wants to play in a conference where all 12 schools are on an equal footing.

A conference with Houston, Memphis, etc. wouldn't force an 8 team playoff. It also wouldn't generate enough revenue to be anywhere close to the major conferences.

Your idea that this mythical conference could get Boston College, West Virginia and Penn St. is absolute lunacy. It has zero chance of happening.

 

[twalsh]

BC had little options, when ND decids to go into a conference they will have many sutterd

That has nothing to do with the question at hand. Has being in the ACC affected BC's catholic identity or their Catholic mission?

 

[NDSMC78]

Is it supposed to be 12 juggernauts? Is it a homework conference? Not sure anyone wants to play in a conference where all 12 schools are on an equal footing.

Sorry. I see nothing at all attractive about being in a conference with Houston and Memphis.

 

[deadirishpoet]

That has nothing to do with the question at hand. Has being in the ACC affected BC's catholic identity or their Catholic mission?

If you are only looking for an answer to that specific question.
I do not follow BCs current events so quit honestly can not answer that question, but let me ask you what were their opinions?

 

[deadirishpoet]

Sorry. I see nothing at all attractive about being in a conference with Houston and Memphis.

That's because there IS nothing attractive about it.

 

[topdecktiger]

If you are only looking for an answer to that specific question.
I do not follow BCs current events so quit honestly can not answer that question, but let me ask you what were their opinions?

Boston College joined the ACC in 2005. This was well before conference networks, the CFP, billion dollar TV contracts, etc. At that point, the Big East still had a BCS bid and a similar TV contract to the ACC (even the SEC & others), so at the time it wasn't do or die if they joined the ACC.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Notre Dame would be a terrible "cultural" fit with the Big 12 which is a dumber version of the SEC. You'd fit a lot better with the ACC's wine and cheese teams.

Using USNWR rankings the schools attached to the teams (or vice versa depending on your perspective) with ND to show in each are:

ACC > Big 10 > Big 12
#8 Duke > #12 Northwestern > #15 ND
#15 ND = #15 ND > #56 Texas
#24 UVA > #27 Michigan > #71 Baylor
#27 WF > #44 Illinois > #82 TCU
#30 UNC > #44 Wisconsin > #111 Oklahoma
#31 BC > #50 Penn State > #111 Iowa State
#34 GT > #54 Ohio State > #118 Kansas
#44 Miami > #60 Purdue > #138 Kansas State
#60 Syracuse = #60 Maryland > #158 Oklahoma State
#66 Clemson > #70 Rutgers > #176 Texas Tech
#68 Pitt > #71 Minnesota > #183 West Virginia
#74 VT > #82 MSU
#92 FSU < #82 Iowa
#92 NC State < #86 Indiana
#171 UL < #111 Nebraska

Or here's another way to compare, a joint list with the ACC in Caps and Bold, Big 10 in first Cap letter and Big 12 in all lower case and italics

#8 DUKE
#12 Northwestern
#15 NOTRE DAME
#24 VIRGINIA
#27 WAKE FOREST
#27 Michigan
#30 NORTH CAROLINA
#31 BOSTON COLLEGE
#34 GEORGIA TECH
#44 MIAMI
#44 Illinois
#44 Wisconsin
#50 Penn State
#54 Ohio State
#56 texas
#60 SYRACUSE
#60 Purdue
#60 Maryland
#66 CLEMSON
#68 PITTSBURGH
#70 Rutgers
#71 Minnesota
#71 baylor
#74 VIRGINIA TECH
#82 Michigan State
#82 Iowa
#82 texas christian
#86 Indiana
#92 FLORIDA STATE
#92 NORTH CAROLINA STATE
#111 Nebraska
#111 oklahoma
#111 iowa state
#118 kansas
#138 kansas state
#158 oklahoma state
#171 LOUISVILLE
#176 texas tech
#183 west virginia

The ACC does not elevate ND in anyway

 

[perseverare]

the ACC relationship has been a freakin disaster! crooked officials and corruption!

 

[deadirishpoet]

the ACC relationship has been a freakin disaster! crooked officials and corruption!]

Weather it has been the Big East, or the ACC ND other than football teams have done well for any conference to go after ND

 

[deadirishpoet]

Boston College joined the ACC in 2005. This was well before conference networks, the CFP, billion dollar TV contracts, etc. At that point, the Big East still had a BCS bid and a similar TV contract to the ACC (even the SEC & others), so at the time it wasn't do or die if they joined the ACC.

It was clear the Big East was in trouble. BC took the only option available. I don't blame them but when the pickings are slim you take what you get.

ND will have options, and probably all the major conferences will inquire. The ACC will be on the outside looking in

 

[topdecktiger]

It was clear the Big East was in trouble. BC took the only option available. I don't blame them but when the pickings are slim you take what you get.

ND will have options, and probably all the major conferences will inquire. The ACC will be on the outside looking in

It wasn't Boston College's only option. I just listed actual facts. You listed........

Nobody said Notre Dame won't have options, but saying the ACC will be on the outside looking in is just wishful thinking on your part. That fact that Notre Dame signed a contract binding them to the ACC if they join a conference is a pretty clear indication of Notre Dame's intentions.

 

[twalsh]

It wasn't Boston College's only option. I just listed actual facts. You listed........

Nobody said Notre Dame won't have options, but saying the ACC will be on the outside looking in is just wishful thinking on your part. That fact that Notre Dame signed a contract binding them to the ACC if they join a conference is a pretty clear indication of Notre Dame's intentions.

Not to mention that our overall athletic department has never been in better shape, and part of that is the positives that have come from being in the ACC for so many sports. I know there are some who are not happy about it, but if we do join a conference in football it will be the ACC.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

Since the only other Catholic D1 football school is already in the ACC, why don't we ask them about it?

Boston College spent many years in the Big East...along with numerous Catholic-influenced programs, like Villanova, Seton Hall and St. John's...basketball of course. But the culture was not "anti-Catholic". Quite the opposite. Boston College has not been in the ACC long enough to say, one way or another, whether its Catholic identity will be respected and allowed its self-determination. I say, why take the chance?

 

[Harpo Marxist]

No it wouldn't. There isn't anything about the Big 12 that would make it a better fit for Catholic value. I mean, nothing at all.

BS....Notre Dame can have its own television network in the Big 12, unlike the ACC. That alone gives it flexibility with which to express its own brand and influence.

 

[Syd4ND]

A conference with Houston, Memphis, etc. wouldn't force an 8 team playoff. It also wouldn't generate enough revenue to be anywhere close to the major conferences.

Your idea that this mythical conference could get Boston College, West Virginia and Penn St. is absolute lunacy. It has zero chance of happening.

Interesting. Zero chance. Look at you getting all worked up over something that has zero chance.

 

[deadirishpoet]

It wasn't Boston College's only option. I just listed actual facts. You listed........

Nobody said Notre Dame won't have options, but saying the ACC will be on the outside looking in is just wishful thinking on your part. That fact that Notre Dame signed a contract binding them to the ACC if they join a conference is a pretty clear indication of Notre Dame's intentions.

Lol I'm sure conference USA would of taken them
I know nobody said ND didn't have options I'm stating ND will have more option than BC.. The fact that ND signed a contract does not necessarily mean their intention are to be part of he ACC if they are forced to be affiliated with a conference in football, or they would of just joined as a full member, though in order for ND to hold this idea that they are a football independent they are forced to play 5 ACC teams shows how weak JS is as a AD.

So it's a lose lose at this point ND is a particle independent, and the ACC doesn't have ND as full member

 

[deadirishpoet]

Not to mention that our overall athletic department has never been in better shape, and part of that is the positives that have come from being in the ACC for so many sports. I know there are some who are not happy about it, but if we do join a conference in football it will be the ACC.

ND was doing just as good if not better(in baseball) when they were in he Big East.

The last part of your post is wishful thinking

 

[NDSMC78]

ND was doing just as good if not better(in baseball) when they were in he Big East.

The last part of your post is wishful thinking

I think that has a lot to do with the fact that the ACC is a better baseball conference from top to bottom.

 

[deadirishpoet]

I think that has a lot to do with the fact that the ACC is a better baseball conference from top to bottom.

First I meant just as good in all sports
Second I was using baseball because baseball has taken a hit. I should of been more clear

You have to remember Miami was part of he BE the so top to bottom is not quit accurate

 

[hayaka]

Stanford fan here and sorry to butt in. However, I have to set this straight. There are 32 states represented on the Stanford roster. We HAVE to recruit the entire nation to find guys who qualify as students AND players. Over and out.

While I think that historically you are correct, it is interesting that about a third of Stanford's current roster comes from only one state (a big state, to be sure), and close to half of the starters this year are Californians.

 

[shabak]

It's clear that that needs to happen. A lot of you guys have said that playing these five ACC games a year is hurting your strength of schedule. It's not. You've lost three of those ACC games this year to Duke, NC State and Virginia Tech. You guys could be part of something special were you to join. Both monetarily for everybody as well as you have a goal that isn't just win the National Championship or else. You're competing for a Conference Championship, you have the 13th game as an extra data point. And I think being in the ACC would help Notre Dame's recruiting too because it would get you into areas that are tough for you to recruit right now instead of being more limited to recruiting in the Midwest. That's just my opinion.

Graduate you ur players and have them go to class and take meaningful courses first.

 

[NDSMC78]

First I meant just as good in all sports
Second I was using baseball because baseball has taken a hit. I should of been more clear

You have to remember Miami was part of he BE the so top to bottom is not quit accurate

Miami joined the ACC in 2004.

 

[DieHard_Irish]

not trying to bring politics into the equation...but from a cultural standpoint, conference alignment must be evaluated in its entirety. Notre Dame's cultural, Catholic values are indeniable. Those would assimilate better in the Big 12 class of schools than the ACC, which is entirely liberal. Notre Dame's Catholic value system must be respected by any conference alignment. I see that as a problem in any conference, but it comes down to the lesser of all evils...and the Big 12 looks to be the least of all.

This just may be the dumbest thing I've read on this board.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

This just may be the dumbest thing I've read on this board.

then you got what you paid for.....If you think for one moment that cultural standards and liberal collegiate intolerance never mix....then you might want to consider why the NCAA has pulled all NCAA basketball tournament games out of North Carolina... because they didn't like the transgender bathroom law in that state. They took direct action because they did not agree with legal standards in that state. You don't think that a conference, with its bylaws and binding standards, won't require assimilation of its liking by member schools? If you think Notre Dame's pro-life standard will be met with open arms in the ACC.....then so be it. This is 2016, and "safe spaces" are all the rage....

 

[topdecktiger]

BS....Notre Dame can have its own television network in the Big 12, unlike the ACC. That alone gives it flexibility with which to express its own brand and influence.

The only BS is what you are posting. Notre Dame can't have its own network for two reasons:
A) NBC owns all the football games.
B) The rest of the sports are tied in with the ACC network.

Notre Dame doesn't have any available content to form its own network.

However, that has nothing to do with the point about the Big12 being more receptive to Catholic values. Not a single shred of evidence to support that point. Especially when you consider the Mormon church's stance on gay marriage was an issue for the Big 12 when evaluating BYU.

Interesting. Zero chance. Look at you getting all worked up over something that has zero chance.

And there is still zero chance of it happening. Let's place a bet. Any amount you want.

Lol I'm sure conference USA would of taken them
I know nobody said ND didn't have options I'm stating ND will have more option than BC.. The fact that ND signed a contract does not necessarily mean their intention are to be part of he ACC if they are forced to be affiliated with a conference in football, or they would of just joined as a full member, though in order for ND to hold this idea that they are a football independent they are forced to play 5 ACC teams shows how weak JS is as a AD.

So it's a lose lose at this point ND is a particle independent, and the ACC doesn't have ND as full member

And the fact that Notre Dame had more options than BC is irrelevant to the issue of how Catholic values would be accepted. If you want to play the "not necessarily" game, then BC didn't have to necessarily join the ACC. At the time, staying in the Big East was not a terrible option, given the knowledge at the time, and the Catholic values issue.

The fact that Notre Dame signed the contract with the ACC (and extended it with the new network), is a pretty good indicator of their intentions. Notre Dame turned down the same offer from the Big 12 to sign with the ACC in the first place, so yet another good indicator of their intentions.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

The only BS is what you are posting. Notre Dame can't have its own network for two reasons:
A) NBC owns all the football games.
B) The rest of the sports are tied in with the ACC network.

Notre Dame doesn't have any available content to form its own network.

However, that has nothing to do with the point about the Big12 being more receptive to Catholic values. Not a single shred of evidence to support that point. Especially when you consider the Mormon church's stance on gay marriage was an issue for the Big 12 when evaluating BYU.



And there is still zero chance of it happening. Let's place a bet. Any amount you want.



And the fact that Notre Dame had more options than BC is irrelevant to the issue of how Catholic values would be accepted. If you want to play the "not necessarily" game, then BC didn't have to necessarily join the ACC. At the time, staying in the Big East was not a terrible option, given the knowledge at the time, and the Catholic values issue.

The fact that Notre Dame signed the contract with the ACC (and extended it with the new network), is a pretty good indicator of their intentions. Notre Dame turned down the same offer from the Big 12 to sign with the ACC in the first place, so yet another good indicator of their intentions.

I said that Notre Dame could have its own TV network in the Big 12 (as Texas does)...that option exists for Notre Dame as well. The fact that you cited the Big 12's exception to BYU's gay marriage position supports my point that politics and conference social values can and do conflict. I also said that the Big 12 would be the least of all evils. I believe that based upon the differences between southwestern/midwestern and northeastern/eastern values. We just witnessed that contrast in a presidential election.

 

[twalsh]

ND was doing just as good if not better(in baseball) when they were in he Big East.

The last part of your post is wishful thinking

Yeah, because the Big East was comparable to the ACC in baseball. You made my point for me.

 

[twalsh]

ND was doing just as good if not better(in baseball) when they were in he Big East.

The last part of your post is wishful thinking

It's also in keeping with our agreement with the ACC.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Yeah, because the Big East was comparable to the ACC in baseball. You made my point for me.

Wrong
The fact the ND did well in other sports is attractive to other conference. The ACC was the ONLY taker of allowing ND to keep the independent in football misnomer, but back doored mandatory ACC teams.

Nothing says independent like being forced to having to play schedule huh?

Away to go Jack!!!

 

[topdecktiger]

I said that Notre Dame could have its own TV network in the Big 12 (as Texas does)...that option exists for Notre Dame as well. The fact that you cited the Big 12's exception to BYU's gay marriage position supports my point that politics and conference social values can and do conflict. I also said that the Big 12 would be the least of all evils. I believe that based upon the differences between southwestern/midwestern and northeastern/eastern values. We just witnessed that contrast in a presidential election.

No, Notre Dame cannot have its own network like Texas. Texas has Tier 3 content available for the LHN, which consists of a football game, a handful of basketball games, and Olympic/non-revenue sports. Notre Dame doesn't have that content available. All the football games are signed to NBC. Those can't be signed to a school network. The basketball/baseball/other sports are signed to the ACC Network. Those can't be put on a school network either. Basketball/baseball/etc. are on the hook to the ACC Network for 20 years.

The BYU issue doesn't support your point at all. That just goes to show that the Big 12 is not more supportive of Catholic values, as you are claiming. You have this idea that the ACC is somehow this bastion of liberalism. Maybe you should look at a map, because most of the ACC schools are from the south, which politically and culturally is much more in line with the southwest/Midwest than the northeast.

 

[deadirishpoet]

The only BS is what you are posting. Notre Dame can't have its own network for two reasons:
A) NBC owns all the football games.
B) The rest of the sports are tied in with the ACC network.

Notre Dame doesn't have any available content to form its own network.

However, that has nothing to do with the point about the Big12 being more receptive to Catholic values. Not a single shred of evidence to support that point. Especially when you consider the Mormon church's stance on gay marriage was an issue for the Big 12 when evaluating BYU.



And there is still zero chance of it happening. Let's place a bet. Any amount you want.



And the fact that Notre Dame had more options than BC is irrelevant to the issue of how Catholic values would be accepted. If you want to play the "not necessarily" game, then BC didn't have to necessarily join the ACC. At the time, staying in the Big East was not a terrible option, given the knowledge at the time, and the Catholic values issue.

The fact that Notre Dame signed the contract with the ACC (and extended it with the new network), is a pretty good indicator of their intentions. Notre Dame turned down the same offer from the Big 12 to sign with the ACC in the first place, so yet another good indicator of their intentions.

ND didn't turn down the same deal. The Big 12 wanted full membership. The ACC wanted full membership but under the disguise of being able to say you're independent, but having to play 5 ACC teams a season..... how's that for independence?
Yo add in SC, and Navy theirs very little room to be independent

 

[topdecktiger]

ND didn't turn down the same deal. The Big 22 wanted full membership. The ACC wanted full membership but under the disguise of being able to say you're independent, but having to play 5 ACC teams a season..... how's that for independence?
Yo add in SC, and Navy theirs very little room to be independent

No, that's simply incorrect. The Big 12 offered Notre Dame the same deal, join for other sports, and a scheduling agreement in football.

Confirmation from Notre Dame to ESPN that the Irish will move all of their sports - except football - out of the Big East and into the Atlantic Coast Conference as soon as possible came as a big surprise to many in the Big 12 Wednesday.
The Big 12 had been actively courting Notre Dame to make the same move into its 10-team league for more than a year.
But sources in the Big 12 told me this morning the governing board at Notre Dame wanted to maintain its affiliation with the East Coast and felt the ACC (with several former members of the Big East, such as Boston College, Virginia Tech, Miami - and starting next year - Syracuse and Pittsburgh) was a better fit than the Big 12.

"Neinas goes on in the memo to say he discussed expansion with ESPN president John Skipper, Fox Sports president Randy Freer and ESPN's head of college athletics operations Burke Magnus.

Neinas said all three agreed a 10-member conference was preferred, but they would live with expansion to 11 or 12 teams. He also said both TV partners were in support of Notre Dame becoming a partial member of the Big 12 if the Irish would play a specific number of football games at Big 12 venues."

 

[Harpo Marxist]

No, Notre Dame cannot have its own network like Texas. Texas has Tier 3 content available for the LHN, which consists of a football game, a handful of basketball games, and Olympic/non-revenue sports. Notre Dame doesn't have that content available. All the football games are signed to NBC. Those can't be signed to a school network. The basketball/baseball/other sports are signed to the ACC Network. Those can't be put on a school network either. Basketball/baseball/etc. are on the hook to the ACC Network for 20 years.

The BYU issue doesn't support your point at all. That just goes to show that the Big 12 is not more supportive of Catholic values, as you are claiming. You have this idea that the ACC is somehow this bastion of liberism. Maybe you should look at a map, because most of the ACC schools are from the south, which politically and culturally is much more in line with the southwest/Midwest than the northeast.

So....we disagree? Who knew? The only thing conservative in the ACC is parts of North Carolina and Georgia...maybe throw in Virginia Tech. The rest....not so much. As far as TV networks are concerned....the Big 12 is the only Power 5 conference without its own television network. A fact which would give Notre Dame options not available in the ACC. There is a reason Notre Dame is not all in to the ACC....and may never be.

 

[deadirishpoet]

No, that's simply incorrect. The Big 12 offered Notre Dame the same deal, join for other sports, and a scheduling agreement in football.

That was a very good and interesting read.
I also find it surprising that ND BOT want to keep ties with the east coast over the midwest ,and that they believe the ACC is a better accedmic fit over any conference (I believe the Big 10) would argue that.

The Big 12 could of shot themselves in the foot wanting the Irish to play 6 instead of 5 teams.
One thing I think everyone can agree on ND is by no means independent though JS did say this of ND recent agreement with the ACC .....Swofford said Notre Dame was no closer to joining the conference for football, but "the phone lines are always open."

It is clear he is not being truthful, and is talking out of both sides of his mouth, and is almost assured ND will be a member of the ACC when it's all said and done from what I have read.

To me it seems ND was looking at the weakest conference (much like FSU did) because they would be the easiest to deal with, and the Big 12 had Texas with the biggest voice and not equal with other members which is why Nebraska left the Big 12 but had to give up one of the best all time rivalries with Oklahoma. The ACC allowed ND to keep ties with SC/Navy.

The ACC is a one trick pony. Take the VT NC out of the mix and all you have is FSU.....and no Miami was a multi BE NC champion.

Well I do appreciate the read it was good.

 

[topdecktiger]

So....we disagree? Who knew? The only thing conservative in the ACC is parts of North Carolina and Georgia...maybe throw in Virginia Tech. The rest....not so much. As far as TV networks are concerned....the Big 12 is the only Power 5 conference without its own television network. A fact which would give Notre Dame options not available in the ACC. There is a reason Notre Dame is not all in to the ACC....and may never be.

Your arguments make no logical sense. South Carolina is one of the most conservative states in the country. Kentucky is very conservative as well, as is northern Florida. That fact is, most of the ACC schools are from the south, and conservative populations.

As I pointed out to you, Notre Dame does not have options in the Big 12. I've pointed this out several times, and you have yet to refute it. Notre Dame simply doesn't have the content to form a network. All the football games are tied up with NBC. Basketball and other sports are tied up with the ACC network for 20 years. There simply isn't a way for Notre Dame to have enough content to start its own network. As I mentioned to the other poster, Notre Dame had a chance to go to the Big 12 and turned it down in favor of the ACC. The idea of going to the Big12 is a pipe dream.

That was a very good and interesting read.
I also find it surprising that ND BOT want to keep ties with the east coast over the midwest ,and that they believe the ACC is a better accedmic fit over any conference (I believe the Big 10) would argue that.

The Big 12 could of shot themselves in the foot wanting the Irish to play 6 instead of 5 teams.
One thing I think everyone can agree on ND is by no means independent though JS did say this of ND recent agreement with the ACC .....Swofford said Notre Dame was no closer to joining the conference for football, but "the phone lines are always open."

It is clear he is not being truthful, and is talking out of both sides of his mouth, and is almost assured ND will be a member of the ACC when it's all said and done from what I have read.

To me it seems ND was looking at the weakest conference (much like FSU did) because they would be the easiest to deal with, and the Big 12 had Texas with the biggest voice and not equal with other members which is why Nebraska left the Big 12 but had to give up one of the best all time rivalries with Oklahoma. The ACC allowed ND to keep ties with SC/Navy.

The ACC is a one trick pony. Take the VT NC out of the mix and all you have is FSU.....and no Miami was a multi BE NC champion.

Well I do appreciate the read it was good.

Your idea that Notre Dame was looking at the weakest conference is inaccurate. The articles clearly indicate that Notre Dame joined the ACC for market and academics. The ACC's media footprint is double that of the Big 12. (This is why the ACC has a network, and the Big 12 doesn't.) The ACC has better overall recruiting areas that the Big 12. And then, the ACC as a group is generally considered more prestigious academically than the Big 12.

Yet another factual error on your part. Virginia Tech has never won a national championship. Regarding Miami, this issue is not where the championships were won. The program itself resides in the ACC. It's like with Nebraska. All the championships Nebraska won doesn't add to the Big 12's strength, because Nebraska is no longer in that conference. The Nebraska program that actually won those championships is in the Big Ten. When Nebraska left the Big 12, the championships Nebraska won no longer add to the strength of the Big 12.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Your arguments make no logical sense. South Carolina is one of the most conservative states in the country. Kentucky is very conservative as well, as is northern Florida. That fact is, most of the ACC schools are from the south, and conservative populations.

As I pointed out to you, Notre Dame does not have options in the Big 12. I've pointed this out several times, and you have yet to refute it. Notre Dame simply doesn't have the content to form a network. All the football games are tied up with NBC. Basketball and other sports are tied up with the ACC network for 20 years. There simply isn't a way for Notre Dame to have enough content to start its own network. As I mentioned to the other poster, Notre Dame had a chance to go to the Big 12 and turned it down in favor of the ACC. The idea of going to the Big12 is a pipe dream.



Your idea that Notre Dame was looking at the weakest conference is inaccurate. The articles clearly indicate that Notre Dame joined the ACC for market and academics. The ACC's media footprint is double that of the Big 12. (This is why the ACC has a network, and the Big 12 doesn't.) The ACC has better overall recruiting areas that the Big 12. And then, the ACC as a group is generally considered more prestigious academically than the Big 12.

Yet another factual error on your part. Virginia Tech has never won a national championship. Regarding Miami, this issue is not where the championships were won. The program itself resides in the ACC. It's like with Nebraska. All the championships Nebraska won doesn't add to the Big 12's strength, because Nebraska is no longer in that conference. The Nebraska program that actually won those championships is in the Big Ten. When Nebraska left the Big 12, the championships Nebraska won no longer add to the strength of the Big 12.

Lol ok VT has never won a Football NC then all you have is FSU. PERIOD!!!!!it's known as the All Cupcake Conference for a reason

Sure the East coast has more TVs than the Midwest but to think ND need the ACC to help in recruiting is laughable.....it amazing that ND was a national recruiter before the ACC contract huh?

Now I live in Nebraska, and NO ONE believe those were Big 10 NC si that that crap some where else

BTW

So that means between ND and the U the ACC has accumulated some 19+ NC more? Well if you can't win them on the field attrition is the next step huh?
Thanks

 

[twalsh]

That was a very good and interesting read.
I also find it surprising that ND BOT want to keep ties with the east coast over the midwest ,and that they believe the ACC is a better accedmic fit over any conference (I believe the Big 10) would argue that.

The Big 12 could of shot themselves in the foot wanting the Irish to play 6 instead of 5 teams.
One thing I think everyone can agree on ND is by no means independent though JS did say this of ND recent agreement with the ACC .....Swofford said Notre Dame was no closer to joining the conference for football, but "the phone lines are always open."

It is clear he is not being truthful, and is talking out of both sides of his mouth, and is almost assured ND will be a member of the ACC when it's all said and done from what I have read.

To me it seems ND was looking at the weakest conference (much like FSU did) because they would be the easiest to deal with, and the Big 12 had Texas with the biggest voice and not equal with other members which is why Nebraska left the Big 12 but had to give up one of the best all time rivalries with Oklahoma. The ACC allowed ND to keep ties with SC/Navy.

The ACC is a one trick pony. Take the VT NC out of the mix and all you have is FSU.....and no Miami was a multi BE NC champion.

Well I do appreciate the read it was good.

Are you suggesting that the Big 12 is a "Midwest" conference?