I actually think Wisconsin would beat Penn State head to head, so I agree with you. But the odds may be with Penn State.
Irish Fans: Join the ACC.
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Notre Dame would be a terrible "cultural" fit with the Big 12 which is a dumber version of the SEC. You'd fit a lot better with the ACC's wine and cheese teams.
Using USNWR rankings the schools attached to the teams (or vice versa depending on your perspective) with ND to show in each are:
ACC > Big 10 > Big 12
#8 Duke > #12 Northwestern > #15 ND
#15 ND = #15 ND > #56 Texas
#24 UVA > #27 Michigan > #71 Baylor
#27 WF > #44 Illinois > #82 TCU
#30 UNC > #44 Wisconsin > #111 Oklahoma
#31 BC > #50 Penn State > #111 Iowa State
#34 GT > #54 Ohio State > #118 Kansas
#44 Miami > #60 Purdue > #138 Kansas State
#60 Syracuse = #60 Maryland > #158 Oklahoma State
#66 Clemson > #70 Rutgers > #176 Texas Tech
#68 Pitt > #71 Minnesota > #183 West Virginia
#74 VT > #82 MSU
#92 FSU < #82 Iowa
#92 NC State < #86 Indiana
#171 UL < #111 Nebraska
Or here's another way to compare, a joint list with the ACC in Caps and Bold, Big 10 in first Cap letter and Big 12 in all lower case and italics
#8 DUKE
#12 Northwestern
#15 NOTRE DAME
#24 VIRGINIA
#27 WAKE FOREST
#27 Michigan
#30 NORTH CAROLINA
#31 BOSTON COLLEGE
#34 GEORGIA TECH
#44 MIAMI
#44 Illinois
#44 Wisconsin
#50 Penn State
#54 Ohio State
#56 texas
#60 SYRACUSE
#60 Purdue
#60 Maryland
#66 CLEMSON
#68 PITTSBURGH
#70 Rutgers
#71 Minnesota
#71 baylor
#74 VIRGINIA TECH
#82 Michigan State
#82 Iowa
#82 texas christian
#86 Indiana
#92 FLORIDA STATE
#92 NORTH CAROLINA STATE
#111 Nebraska
#111 oklahoma
#111 iowa state
#118 kansas
#138 kansas state
#158 oklahoma state
#171 LOUISVILLE
#176 texas tech
#183 west virginia
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Ummm do you know what probable means? Apparently not.
Taken right this minute and in complete isolation you might say that Wisconsin is the most probable winner as they are the only one that controls their own fate other than Michigan and they only have the championship game really to worry about. But when you add in the likelihood that Ohio State (as 7 pt favorites) beats Michigan which eliminates BOTH Michigan and Ohio State assuming Penn State gets past its cakewalk against Michigan State. Then you're down to Penn State versus Wisconsin and Penn State is the probable favorite in that one. So since Ohio State probably beats Michigan eliminating them both and Penn State would then probably beat Wisconsin, they are the probable favorite to win the Big Ten as I said.
I didn't say Penn State was the best team, that's Ohio State. And Ohio State is also the least probable team to win the Big Ten as they have to beat Michigan AND hope Penn State loses and THEN beat Wisconsin.
Yeah, they're a huge outlier and would have really fit in better with the Big 12, but their incompetent leadership let them go to the ACC where they are a poor academic fit but a great sports addition.
I agree, and though I won't like it but at some point ND will be forced to join a conference. When that time comes and ND starts looking for which conference is the best fit
I believe that the best place is the Big 10.
I know NDSMC I know but times have changed and I believe he Big 10 welcomes ND with open arms without malice.
The history shared between Notre Dame in the Big 10 is one of the strongest of all times
ND and a few others need to form another Ivy league type conference, w/o athletic scholarships.
That might be the dignified direction for ND. ND is play-pretend as a football 'power'; that ship has sailed and will not be returning to port!
That might be the dignified direction for ND. ND is play-pretend as a football 'power'; that ship has sailed and will not be returning to port!
Stanford fan here and sorry to butt in. However, I have to set this straight. There are 32 states represented on the Stanford roster. We HAVE to recruit the entire nation to find guys who qualify as students AND players. Over and out.
The Big 10 only wants us for our money and the TV sets we turn on. They would screw us every chance they get.
I do not believe that to be true.
ND brings slot to the table, and the times are different. ND being a full member will have an equal voice and the clout to be heard.
The Big 10 is a smart conference, and their commissioner has built the big 10 into a strong conference.
Not only is it good business it's smart business.
But I believe this happens ONLY if NDs hands are tied, and having to join a conference
I 100% believe it. The ACC will treat us with respect, the Big 10 will treat us with scorn.
This sounds like the many questions TPD should ask occasionally relative to the serial sexual abuse by Winston and others!
no way should Notre Dame ever join the B1G. ACC maybe...I still prefer the Big 12 so a legitimate 12 teams could make up that conference....Its worth saving. ACC? Yeah, maybe.
Forget chosing a conference; ND needs to choose an honest mission statement that has goals that match it's actions!
If ND wants to be a major player in college football then get 'all in'
else then
go full academic ala Ivy's and end football scholarships, schedule like teams and be honest with it's values and goals!
ND is currently Schizoid.
If ND wants to be a major player in college football then get 'all in'
else then
go full academic ala Ivy's and end football scholarships, schedule like teams and be honest with it's values and goals!
ND is currently Schizoid.
Lol
You're joking right?
The ACC is a one trick pony....a hack football conference
They bring NOTHING to elevate ND. There's simple only one choice and that's the big 10
That's a little harsh brother the reality is a conference affiliation will be forced on the Irish and I don't like it, but the Big 10 makes the most sense all around
The past is the past it is not in the Big 10s interest to offer the Irish a membership and not them to succeed.
PSU and Nebraska suffered greatly for joining. The Big 10 is run for the benefit of O$U and UM period.
Independence in football is who you are; your identity. Joining the ACC as a partial member was a mistake, and unnecessary. I understand why your administration did so, but I believe there were better alternatives.
And no, the B10 is not a good match for ND, other then geography and a bit of history (which I understand goes both directions). The B10 if filled with large, research oriented institutions. The outside perception of ND is a school more focused on undergraduate education. In that regard, the ACC is probably the best fit, but really any conference affiliation for football is a bad idea.
And no, the B10 is not a good match for ND, other then geography and a bit of history (which I understand goes both directions). The B10 if filled with large, research oriented institutions. The outside perception of ND is a school more focused on undergraduate education. In that regard, the ACC is probably the best fit, but really any conference affiliation for football is a bad idea.
Poet, the Big 10 schools hate ND. Their fans hate ND. All they want is our money.
PSU Didn't suffer but I do agree the huskers did take a step back but have rebound. I not sure why they left the Big 12.
It up to the other big 20 teM to topple UM, and OSU , ND could do this
I agree with most of you post but the Big 12 is a better fit than the ACC.
The ACC does nothing to elevate ND
I can't argue with that, but no matter where the Irish end that conference will want NDs money.
ND was the clout to be in control of their spot in the Big 10
I think the majority would welcome ND
not trying to bring politics into the equation...but from a cultural standpoint, conference alignment must be evaluated in its entirety. Notre Dame's cultural, Catholic values are indeniable. Those would assimilate better in the Big 12 class of schools than the ACC, which is entirely liberal. Notre Dame's Catholic value system must be respected by any conference alignment. I see that as a problem in any conference, but it comes down to the lesser of all evils...and the Big 12 looks to be the least of all.
So we should hook up with a bunch of mediocre huge state schools to help maintain our Catholic identity instead of schools like Duke, Wake Forest, Miami, Georgia Tech, BC, UVA, etc? Seriously?
The ACC's liberal intolerance would smother the Catholic identity under full membership....and Notre Dame would be forced to make compromises not consistent with its mission.
No it wouldn't. There isn't anything about the Big 12 that would make it a better fit for Catholic value. I mean, nothing at all.
Since the only other Catholic D1 football school is already in the ACC, why don't we ask them about it?
BC had little options, when ND decids to go into a conference they will have many sutterd
Penn State controls their own outcome. Penn State is now ranked in the top 10, USC with 3 bad losses is 12th, and a number of other disappointing ranked teams are also ranked. Odd year in college football.
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