It's clear that that needs to happen. A lot of you guys have said that playing these five ACC games a year is hurting your strength of schedule. It's not. You've lost three of those ACC games this year to Duke, NC State and Virginia Tech. You guys could be part of something special were you to join. Both monetarily for everybody as well as you have a goal that isn't just win the National Championship or else. You're competing for a Conference Championship, you have the 13th game as an extra data point. And I think being in the ACC would help Notre Dame's recruiting too because it would get you into areas that are tough for you to recruit right now instead of being more limited to recruiting in the Midwest. That's just my opinion.
Irish Fans: Join the ACC.
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If we had won those games it would not have helped our strength of schedule. the fact that we lost only means we lost to mediocre teams
the ACC is the LAST conference ND should be in, now ir in the future. In the short span of competition what we know is that that conference is corrupt, probably beyond repair.
Your second to last sentence shows that you have no clue about ND football. They recruit nationwide. The school is based in the Midwest. They have players from all over the map. Top two WR's are from California and Florida!
As an Alum, never thought I'd say or even think it, but I completely agree
Recruiting nationally is not as big of a deal as you make it out to be. All that matters is you have the best players. It doesn't matter where they come from. All the other major powers (Alabama, Ohio St, LSU, Florida, etc) basically recruit regionally, and they have won multiple national championships in the last 15 years. You go with what works in reality, not on paper.
I would rather ND drop football than join the ACC.
It is for ND! Don't you get it? ND needs to recruit nationwide because they select from a smaller pool of players. There aren't a whole lot of guys that actually want to work hard in the class and field. There isn't a ton of talent in the Midwest where ND is based as well. It's a small private school. 5,000-10,000 total enrollment. It's not for every one. It's not a Big10 school with 50k students. It takes a certain student-athlete to want to be at ND.
Thus, ND goes from coast-to-coast because they have to in order to compete. It's a major reason they'll never join the Big 10. If ND became a regional team in the Midwest they'd get very little talent and go 4-8 every year.
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And all those programs you mentioned are down south loading up on the Florida talent or coached by a guy that lived in Florida one time.
ND is competing to try and go 10-2 and in order to do so they have to recruit nationwide. They'll never be in the league of the southern power schools.
If ND could ever land a solid coach constant 9-10-11 win seasons are possible as an independent. Joining a conference, especially the big ten, would leave ND hopeless.
Stanford has the same issue, and they don't recruit nationally. Ohio is a big talent bed. That's how Ohio St and Michigan recruit. Even so, you don't have to limit yourself to the Midwest. You just don't have to take a scattershot approach and go around the entire country. You can find a particular region that has what you need.
Notre Dame can also build a pipeline to Florida, or anywhere else. That's the point. It would actually be a lot easier to do so in a conference. Recruiting simply isn't the same as it was in the 1970s.
As an FSU grad and a ND fan, I do not believe that ND should join any conference unless it is a way to be a change agent for the sport of college football. For those who believe in the concept of a true student athlete and the twisted way that money has impacted this sport, a 4-8 ND team is not helpful. We need leadership to right the ship. But ND can no longer lead the charge if its goal of independence forever is more important to its fan base than the future of the sport itself.
Then it Seems that ND is Worst than a Mediocre Team. Maybe a MAC Team.
That might be true. But the fact that one statement is true does not negate the truth of the other.
ND doesn't cheat enough to be a full time member of the ACC. If ND ever got that hankering, they would need to hire some hookers, let the football team turn into hoodlums, pay off the police to turn a blind eye and institute some fraudulent courses -- only then would ND fit in.
The good news is from a distance it looks like you've already quit playing football.
the relationship w/ACC is another 'Jackism'
he really read that one wrong! again.
firstly it was hardly the lucrative incentive that one thought ND could extract
second, the ACC took it as an insult that ND was not a full fledge member and thusly has clearly mis- officiated games involving ND.
Jack got ND into this unholy alliance and Jack ought get ND out! or he should get out!
he really read that one wrong! again.
firstly it was hardly the lucrative incentive that one thought ND could extract
second, the ACC took it as an insult that ND was not a full fledge member and thusly has clearly mis- officiated games involving ND.
Jack got ND into this unholy alliance and Jack ought get ND out! or he should get out!
The Noles want ND in ACC so the Noles can be relevant again in CFB. Without ND, the ACC is just SEClite.
What other conference is ND going to be allowed to compete in all sports and still stay independent in football? Big 10? No! Big 12? No! SEC? No!
Should have/could have ND stayed with the new Big East?
I ask because I don't know.
Same way many of us think of you, except I'm talking one of those body scrubs you need after being exposed to radiation.
The new Big East was not going to work for ND, with most of the overall strong athletic departments having left. Some good basketball schools for sure, but we want to compete at the highest level in many different sports, and the Big East wasn't going to allow for that.
"Relevant again"? We won the title three years ago not twenty nine like Notre Dame and have three titles since the last time you won one. And we were ranked #2 this year and will be ranked in the top 5 next year preseason with all that's coming back considering our current #15 ranking is the product of a rebuilding year.
I want Notre Dame fully in only for two reasons, 1) it's embarrassing having a halfastericks team in the conference rather than full members as it makes us look like the Big East and 2) if Notre Dame and Texas join then the ACC will be the #1 conference in everything (money, eyeballs and SOS) and who doesn't want to be #1? Texas will not be down forever as they are a dominant program in the biggest real football state and I have hopes that Notre Dame and Miami will eventually climb back into respectability and at least be solid middle pack additions and maybe once every five to ten years challenge at the top.
Besides, the ACC is 2-1 against the Big Ten (beat probable Big Ten winner Penn State & Indiana, while Duke lost at Northwestern) and 3-2 against SEC (Auburn, Ole Miss Vanderbilt and lost to Tennessee and Georgia) and are favored in all 4 remaining ACC/SEC matchups so we should be 7-2 or at worst 6-3 by years end.
You think Penn St. is going to win the Big 10? Where did you come up with that gem?
Ummmmm....if Penn State beats MSU at home this week, and OSU beats Michigan. Penn State wins their division, and plays in the BIG Championship game......Not that hard to imagine.
If Penn State and Ohio State both win this weekend, Penn State is going to the Big 10 Champ Game with a decent chance to win the conference.
Notre Dame...if it were to join a conference, should join the Big 12. It is in desperate need of a big name to reinvigerate that conference...and it would be formidable with the right name. Forget the B1G....joining would dilute Notre Dame...but not in the B12. Texas and Oklahoma would welcome Notre Dame as the third leg on the Big Boy Stool. I like that idea.
Vegas says Penn State going to the CCG is the most likely outcome.
Yep that's exactly why I said Penn State is the probable winner. Once Penn State beats Michigan State they are in the driver's seat once Ohio State beats Michigan (which is 60-40 in my mind in favor of Ohio State) and then Penn State would probably be favored by Vegas and definitely by me over Wisconsin. Right now there's four possible Big Ten winners and the least likely is Ohio State (but it can still happen IF MSU pulls the big upset AND can win itself) and the most likely is Penn State. Truthfully I don't think Penn State and Wisconsin are very good but they statistically and realistically have the best chance of winning while the better two teams are likely not going to make it. Kind of bizarre how that worked out.
ND should join the ACC as full member. Period. I am a 59 year old ND alum, who hates the thought of us not being independent, but the times have changed and so must ND. The ACC is the logical choice.
Understood. But the FSU poster said that PSU was the probable winner of the Big 10. That is not true.
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