Kelly is a fine coach. Even a good coach. Not a "great" coach. I would agree he ranks about 15th best give or a take. Ranking of 15 puts him inside the top 12% of all Div 1 coaches. If he rises to 12th best he's in the top 10%. I think that's a fair and positive place to be. Nothing to be ashamed of.
In 6 years kelly has recruited 9 Rivals 5 star recruits.
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Everything you have ever said has been refuted. And you just ignore everyone's opinion so they all quit responding because everyone agrees you are crazy. That is why half the posters have you on ignore.
You know what you cannot refute?
1) Kelly has a contract extension.
2) Kelly is ND's coach.
3) Kelly has over $10,000,000.
4) Your complaining changes nothing. Even if every single person agreed with you, (which they don't), it doesn't matter!!!!!!!!
Refute those four points?
(As I put you back on ignore)
If you had to pick 14 other D1 coaches who could succeed at ND (with Admissions, academics, recruiting, pressure, schedule, coming off Bob,Ty & Charlie, etc...) who would you choose?
I can think of probably five? Probably not 14 though. So I like Coach Kelly.
the actuality of the matter is that you can't recognize when you are refuted. You're like a child, 3 yr old, and I learned a long time ago that you cannot get in an argument with a three year old - you cannot win because they don't know when they have lost.
Well, other than recruiting none of those items you listed have a thing to do with actual coaching. Things like player development, game planning, game time decisions, play calling, wins and loses, winning the games you are supposed to, consistency, etc. In that context he's pretty good but not great. Top 15. That's a compliment.
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Thanks for the laughs. Point out one accurate rebuttal.
Have fun trying to refute the following blistering facts surrounding the underachiever's ND tenure:
weis delivered 3 top 10 classes in his last 4 years including the # 2 class. kelly has cracked the Rivals Top 10 recruiting once in six years. He stinks.
kelly 12/09:
"I've got a plan in place. I clearly know where I want to go."
"Well, we go to work right away. We don't get a five-year plan. This is a five-minute plan. I mean, we're working on it immediately, and we expect our football players to play at a high level immediately."
Would you care to address kelly's quotes? Would you care to address his inability to finish in the top 10 recruiting 5 out of 6 years when weis did it in three of the prior 4 years to kelly's arrival?
Would you care to address kelly's only finishing in the AP top 10 once in 6 years?
kelly has finished 1 season at # 4, 1 season at 11, 1 season at 20 and 3 seasons not ranked. Those numbers are hard to come by when one consider the recruiting rankings below..... So, in 6 years he's had 1 top 10 finish, no major bowl wins and finished out of the top 25 50% of the time. He stinks.
ND recruiting rankings Rivals
2006 8
2007 8
2008 2
2009 21
2010 14
2011 10
2012 20
2013 3
2014 11
2015 11
2016 12
Those are high end numbers and finishing out of the top 25 repeatedly is a disgrace.
In that same time frame....
ND vs Stanford Rivals recruiting
2006 8, 54
2007 8, 51
2008 2, 50
2009 21, 20
2010 14, 26
2011 10, , 22
2012 20, 5
2013 3, 63
2014 11, 14
2015 11, 18
2016 12, 18
Here's Stanford's final AP rankings during kelly's tenure... 4 top 10s, 2 top 5s.... Plus, they have won multiple major bowls....Orange, 2 Rose Bowls and they lost a Fiesta and Rose... (They also won a Foster Farms Bowl)
2015 3
2014 NR
2013 11
2012 7
2011 7
2010 4
PS I re-watched the Temple game yesterday. Rhule would have beat kelly by 30+ if the rosters were switched....
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he's a hater/complainer. he offers no tangible solution to his perceived problem. i suggested counseling. didn't take.
I'd like to see an example of "liberties in how you frame things up."
I've touted Dungy since he retired after the '08 season.
"Dungy put his coaching beliefs on his memoir, Quiet Strength: The Principles, Practices, and Priorities of a Winning Life(ISBN 1-414-31801-4). Cam Cameron, former head coach of the Miami Dolphins, highly recommended the book by buying 1,000 books to give away to football coaches at his preseason coaching clinic in July 2007 in South Florida,[34] and said: It dispelled so many myths about the coaching business -- that you had to be a yeller and a screamer to win. You can be your own person, treat people with respect, be very demanding but demanding in a way that doesn't trample on people."
"Dungy stresses that coaches are essentially teachers[27] who put faith and family ahead of football and do not belittle their players or scream at them. Also, like Dungy, they remain calm when things go badly. They guide instead of goad, and Lovie Smith found that perhaps the most instructive thing of all.
Smith said, "We talked about how to do it, being a teacher instead of screaming and yelling, all that stuff."
I've also touted Jon Gruden.
In addition, I believe Tom Clements has the right stuff. There are others.....
The minute kelly said he wanted to interview with the eagles I would have told him to keep walking....
He ditched his CMU team before their bowl. He ditched his undefeated cinci team before a major bowl. He attempted to bail on ND....
He's a vulgar, portly, "soft", underachieving merc... He stinks.... He and van gorder being punted would help....
PS Jenkins is a plagiarizing secularist.... His BS "dare to dream big" video promo on Crossroads would have gotten students suspended/expelled/other for plagiarism..... Take a look at Doak Stadium/other stadiums and tell me how "original" Jenkins dream is....
easy to throw out names that are completely unrealistic. you love the low hanging fruit that's for sure.
All three of those guys have spent the vast majority of their careers coaching in the NFL. They've never had to recruit, which is a huge part of the job in CFB. I'd rather hire a coach with previous college head coaching experience; that usually works out best. Carroll was an exception, but there aren't many former NFL head coaches among successful CFB head coaches.
Our last two coaches that had NFL head coaching experience both have statues. (Devine's football background was extraordinary).
PS The opposition currently looks across the field and sees a guy with zero intimidation factor, doesn't understand basic football math, easily loses his mind, is beatable......
kelly's the guy that shows up with $3,000 worth of golf equipment and can't break 90.
Assuming you mean Devine and Holtz, they were both college coaches. As for their brief NFL careers, Devine coached 4 years for the Packers (sub-.500 record) and Holtz coached one lousy season with the Jets. But they were both great college coaches. They're two different jobs.
look, for 2016 the ND players are in the hands of a capable skilled staff. A single opinion should not be enough to make anyone elses opinion 'waver' or represent a 'threat' .
If Kelly has accomplished all that his 'fans' have stated and the team is now entirely his and the staff is his, the system is fully installed then one should conclude the Irish are ready to make a national 'noise'!
The 2016 benchmark for ND is a major bowl W. JMO, I think it gets done! Sorry for the optimism.
carry on!
If Kelly has accomplished all that his 'fans' have stated and the team is now entirely his and the staff is his, the system is fully installed then one should conclude the Irish are ready to make a national 'noise'!
The 2016 benchmark for ND is a major bowl W. JMO, I think it gets done! Sorry for the optimism.
carry on!
He realized he liked CFB a lot better and quickly returned. And it didn't help that he took over a bad Jets team with an aging Joe Namath at QB.
You are a gym teacher. Accept it and move on. Stop exaggerating and be comfortable with you station in life.
shocking, wrong again. nice to see you've returned though. what is the over/under on you being banned yet again ?
look, the landscape of college football has changed from 1980 so much, player generations have come and gone, the sub-alums are for the most part kicking up daisies, and ND's glorious history, place and influence with recruits has diminished. It is with that understanding that ND fans have to recognize and accept ND's role and place within this new lanscape.
In large part ND, as an institution has chosen it's new place in college football. Expectations are what will create the divide.It ain't all sunshine and it ain't all gloom.
In large part ND, as an institution has chosen it's new place in college football. Expectations are what will create the divide.It ain't all sunshine and it ain't all gloom.
For the benefit of so many on the board with this troll on ignore. I have included it's quote for you who would not otherwise see this idiocy. Cannot spell landscape....hahahaha
It's response in defense of it's trojans? They were in CFB prison...hahahahhahahah
Spoken like a true trojan troll.
Fact: ND was in NC game 3 years ago.
When were the trojans or stanford last in a NC game?
Go Irish!
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USC was in middle of Sanctions, ND beat SU on the last play and, btw, I dont think SU is Top Tier but they are in that next group. ND included. ND proved the difference between the top tier and the next tier in that NC game. 2012.... how long will that mantra last ? how about 2013?
I am more loyal a fan and far more knowledgable than you x's 7.
(anyone out there: the geneology of 'ogaunt', one of the argies?)
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If only number of posts were the yardstick, the trojan troll would be 7 zillion times more knowledgable.
I have yet to see this troll win one argument on the board. 26k posts.
ND's glorious history, place blah blah blah recruits has diminished. It is with that blah blah blah ND's role and place within this new lanscape.
For the benefit of so many on the board with this troll on ignore. I have included it's quote for you who would not otherwise see this idiocy. Cannot spell landscape....hahahaha
It's response in defense of it's trojans? They were in CFB prison...hahahahhahahah
Spoken like a true trojan troll.
Fact: ND was in NC game 3 years ago.
When were the trojans or stanford last in a NC game?
Go Irish!
For the benefit of so many on the board with this troll on ignore. I have included it's quote for you who would not otherwise see this idiocy. Cannot spell landscape....hahahaha
It's response in defense of it's trojans? They were in CFB prison...hahahahhahahah
Spoken like a true trojan troll.
Fact: ND was in NC game 3 years ago.
When were the trojans or stanford last in a NC game?
Go Irish!
In the last 4 seasons he took ND to the National Championship and a New Years 6 Bowl game. Winning 9+ games three times and going 4-2 against USC in 6 years. Kinda hard to make the argument to get rid of someone who does that.
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