In 6 years kelly has recruited 9 Rivals 5 star recruits.

[cgvr]

His best haul was 4 in 2013. He was skunked twice. 2 of the nine never played a down for ND and another transferred after playing 2 seasons (14 game appearances 57 carries).

2010 None
2011 Williams, Tuitt
2012 Kiel
2013 Vanderdoes, Redfield, Smith, Bryant
2014 Nelson
2015 None
2016 Hayes

On our roster we currently have 2 five star players that have played. When Daelin Hayes hits the field that will make 3...

PS ‘bama will have close to 20 on their team….

 

[IrishBlooded]

His best haul was 4 in 2013. He was skunked twice. 2 of the nine never played a down for ND and another transferred after playing 2 seasons (14 game appearances 57 carries).

2010 None
2011 Williams, Tuitt
2012 Kiel
2013 Vanderdoes, Redfield, Smith, Bryant
2014 Nelson
2015 None
2016 Hayes

On our roster we currently have 2 five star players that have played. When Daelin Hayes hits the field that will make 3...

PS ‘bama will have close to 20 on their team….

I think you should do something about it.

I dub thee 'guy that will fix the 5* recruiting problem for ND'

Please report back to the board only when you have accomplished this goal.

 

[Epictitus]

cgvr is a Five Star piece of garbage!

 

[NDAFArly]

Go

cgvr is a Five Star piece of garbage!

I think you should do something about it.

I dub thee 'guy that will fix the 5* recruiting problem for ND'

Please report back to the board only when you have accomplished this goal.

I was going to comment on his post, but decided it was not worth my time. The dude is in his 60's but is obsessed with Brian Kelly for some reason?
I did feel sorry for him at first (thought he might be an old widower or something) but then realized he just is obsessed with hating Brian Kelly. Literally obsessed. He googles & researches stats after stats as why Kelly is horrible.
The part that caused me to finally ignore him was the fact that he hates him for real, not just as a coach. He purposely disrespects his name because he says he "has no respect" for Kelly as a person. Putting his monument in Tora Bora. (Been there)

He is just straight bitter. In every way.

 

[cgvr]

Go




I was going to comment on his post, but decided it was not worth my time. The dude is in his 60's but is obsessed with Brian Kelly for some reason?
I did feel sorry for him at first (thought he might be an old widower or something) but then realized he just is obsessed with hating Brian Kelly. Literally obsessed. He googles & researches stats after stats as why Kelly is horrible.
The part that caused me to finally ignore him was the fact that he hates him for real, not just as a coach. He purposely disrespects his name because he says he "has no respect" for Kelly as a person. Putting his monument in Tora Bora. (Been there)

He is just straight bitter. In every way.

Wrong again.... I am not in my 60s, nor do I "hate" kelly, nor am I bitter. I despise the vulgar pork chop and have no respect for him.... That's on him. Now go create another handle to agree with yourself.... What I have written is irrefutable...

 

[bizzybecknd]

Why's that on him you despise him? Damn Internet NARPs bashing somebody whose jock they couldn't hold. Keep typing about 18 year old 5 stars.

 

[chaseball]

It isn't even 5 stars ... there's a big gap between ND and other programs when it comes to high 4 stars (or any nationally ranked players for that matter).

We go into every game against top programs with pawns vs their board full of queens and people here expect ND to win anyway.

 

[Irishjohn68]

Wrong again.... I am not in my 60s, nor do I "hate" kelly, nor am I bitter. I despise the vulgar pork chop and have no respect for him.... That's on him. Now go create another handle to agree with yourself.... What I have written is irrefutable...

Go root for Michigan!

 

[Pennick44]

cvgr is a zero star poster with senility. He hasn't had a cogent thought/post since his mother accidentally dropped him on his head.

 

[Howard Hall 74]

It isn't even 5 stars ... there's a big gap between ND and other programs when it comes to high 4 stars (or any nationally ranked players for that matter).

We go into every game against top programs with pawns vs their board full of queens and people here expect ND to win anyway.

Absolutely right! Spot on. Those that choose not to recognize this simple fact as to the state of the ND program will always be satisfied with 8 & 4. Look, forget Kelly for a moment, the program as it stands today, and the way it has been operated just is not attracting the elite, top talent. Not anywhere near the levels of the top 5-6 programs. That's the way it is and we may have to accept the fact that we can't - for whatever reasons (the school's built in limitations, the area of the country, the academics etc.) bring this talent here. Coach 8 & 4 will always be that or until there is a break through - highly unlikely - and/or a great, impact-full, Heisman type QB can take the team and carry it to a NC. Otherwise, Kelly is coach 8 & 4. It is what it is.

 

[mbd11]

It isn't even 5 stars ... there's a big gap between ND and other programs when it comes to high 4 stars (or any nationally ranked players for that matter).

We go into every game against top programs with pawns vs their board full of queens and people here expect ND to win anyway.

Ridiculous statement. We just had 7 players drafted this year, which tied us for 4th-best, with Alabama and Florida. And that was two 1sts, two 2nds, two 3rds and a 4th rounder, so they were all in the top half of the draft. So I'd say ND is producing pretty good talent nowadays.

 

[Pennick44]

Ridiculous statement. We just had 7 players drafted this year, which tied us for 4th-best, with Alabama and Florida. And that was two 1sts, two 2nds, two 3rds and a 4th rounder, so they were all in the top half of the draft. So I'd say ND is producing pretty good talent nowadays.

You are going to put the star gazers and KELLY haters in a depression.

 

[TheDecker]

Absolutely right! Spot on. Those that choose not to recognize this simple fact as to the state of the ND program will always be satisfied with 8 & 4. Look, forget Kelly for a moment, the program as it stands today, and the way it has been operated just is not attracting the elite, top talent. Not anywhere near the levels of the top 5-6 programs. That's the way it is and we may have to accept the fact that we can't - for whatever reasons (the school's built in limitations, the area of the country, the academics etc.) bring this talent here. Coach 8 & 4 will always be that or until there is a break through - highly unlikely - and/or a great, impact-full, Heisman type QB can take the team and carry it to a NC. Otherwise, Kelly is coach 8 & 4. It is what it is.

This is comically stupid.

We went up against 3 Top5 teams in 2015 and we played 2 of them down to the Dina play, despite being on our 3rd string QB and 4th string RB.

ND has the talent to consistently be a 10+ win, Top10 (if not Top5) team right now.

That's actual reality.

The only programs with significant talent advantages over ND right now, top to bottom of the roster, are Alabama and Ohio State

Programs like LSU, Clemson, USC, Stanford, Michigan, etc. have similar overall roster talent (though some have it distributed very differently, by positions)

This thread is full of absolute stupidity

 

[Epictitus]

OMG there are some really dumb people on this board. Kelly recruits very well while maintains entrance criteria most schools would never think of employing. ND puts players in the NFL with the best teams in America and wins while doing so with kids that can read and actually attend classes.

Emulating a pig like cgvr does not look good on anyone.

 

[scotchirishblood]

This is comically stupid.

We went up against 3 Top5 teams in 2015 and we played 2 of them down to the Dina play, despite being on our 3rd string QB and 4th string RB.

ND has the talent to consistently be a 10+ win, Top10 (if not Top5) team right now.

That's actual reality.

The only programs with significant talent advantages over ND right now, top to bottom of the roster, are Alabama and Ohio State

Programs like LSU, Clemson, USC, Stanford, Michigan, etc. have similar overall roster talent (though some have it distributed very differently, by positions)

This thread is full of absolute stupidity

Alabama and Ohio State are only part of a longer list. Do you follow recruiting rankings each year?

I do agree there is an abundance of stupidity in this thread. There is in most threads.

 

[Epictitus]

Alabama and Ohio State are only part of a longer list. Do you follow recruiting rankings each year?

I do agree there is an abundance of stupidity in this thread. There is in most threads.

Unfortunately, your presence here adds to the level of stupidity.

 

[TheDecker]

Alabama and Ohio State are only part of a longer list. Do you follow recruiting rankings each year?

I do agree there is an abundance of stupidity in this thread. There is in most threads.

No, no there not.

There are no other teams that have a significant talent advantage over ND, from top to bottom of the roster

Recruiting rankings only tell part of the story, which anyone who's follows recruiting and isn't a total moron would know
Or do you really think that Auburn, Texas, and A&M are better than Michigan State because they "out-recruit" them, according to rankings?
I assume all of them (and Florida State) are MUCH better than Houston, because of recruiting rankings too....right?

Very, very stupid

 

[TheDecker]

Notre Dame has assembled a roster with an equal or higher talent level than every program other than Ohio State and Alabama

At the moment, those rosters are at an other level

 

[NDAFArly]

It amazes me how ND fans are so negative towards our program?

We have standards other teams laugh at, yet still get top 10 recruiting classes. We graduate almost every single player, do not even wait for the NCAA to punish us for possible violations without handling it ourselves. We won 10 games while losing a quarter of our team to injury, & look to only only be getting better.
And we still complain?

I didn't know of the national Love/Hate for ND growing up since I'm from there & they were just my local team. But when I left & spent 8 years in the AF I learned of all the haters for ND fans by others. It offended me. Now I see what they were talking about. Many ND fans are spoils, unrealistic & living in the past.

I remember telling people all over the world I didn't care if ND football dominated again as long as they were still the Notre Dame I knew to be honorable & something to be proud of.

I honestly didn't think ND would be top 10 again. So looking at the fact they still are Notre Dame academically, integrity wise, & such, I am thrilled we are also a top 10 football program.

But then again I'm a balanced human being.

 

[scotchirishblood]

Unfortunately, your presence here adds to the level of stupidity.

Thanks for your usual intelligent input. Of course no poster here thinks you're stupid.

 

[scotchirishblood]

No, no there not.

There are no other teams that have a significant talent advantage over ND, from top to bottom of the roster

Recruiting rankings only tell part of the story, which anyone who's follows recruiting and isn't a total moron would know
Or do you really think that Auburn, Texas, and A&M are better than Michigan State because they "out-recruit" them, according to rankings?
I assume all of them (and Florida State) are MUCH better than Houston, because of recruiting rankings too....right?

Very, very stupid

So you're saying the problem is all coaching .... not talent? Just curious.

 

[IrishBlooded]

Still waiting to see what actions the OP is taking to resolve the situation. Instead of just complaining

 

[TheDecker]

So you're saying the problem is all coaching .... not talent? Just curious.

I guess it depends what you mean by "problem"

I wouldn't consider 2015 a "problem", so there is nothing to "solve" there
We were a Top10 team. The difference between how 2015 went and making the playoffs is just a few bounces/breaks.....that's all you can ask to do, year in and year out

In 2014, the main issue was massive, massive injuries though mental breakdowns from players, coaching errors, etc. also played a role

So I guess it depends on what "problem" you're talking about?

 

[NDAFArly]

Still waiting to see what actions the OP is taking to resolve the situation. Instead of just complaining

Last I heard he was going to do three things:
1) change ND's admissions rules
2) make other teams follow rules
3) dig up Rockne

 

[mbd11]

Notre Dame has assembled a roster with an equal or higher talent level than every program other than Ohio State and Alabama

At the moment, those rosters are at an other level

I'd somewhat agree with this. But FSU would probably be a close 3rd. They've been turning out a lot of draft picks the last few years. Clemson seems to have reached a higher level the last few years, too.

 

[TheDecker]

I'd somewhat agree with this. But FSU would probably be a close 3rd. They've been turning out a lot of draft picks the last few years. Clemson seems to have reached a higher level the last few years, too.

But if you watch the recent games between ND/FSU and ND/Clemson, you'd see that the teams were very closely matched

ND needs to start finding ways to pull these games out in the last play or two (FSU, Clemson, Stanford, etc.) but the rosters are very similar/competitive, from top to bottom

The results have shown that

 

[mbd11]

I guess it depends what you mean by "problem"

I wouldn't consider 2015 a "problem", so there is nothing to "solve" there
We were a Top10 team. The difference between how 2015 went and making the playoffs is just a few bounces/breaks.....that's all you can ask to do, year in and year out

In 2014, the main issue was massive, massive injuries though mental breakdowns from players, coaching errors, etc. also played a role

So I guess it depends on what "problem" you're talking about?

I thought there was a problem with our defense. In all 3 losses, our defense didn't play very well. That was inexcusable to give up that FG drive at the end to Stanford. I tend to think it was more coaching than talent, that was the problem. We didn't have a great pass rusher off the edge, but other than that, I thought we had good talent overall. But the defense looked out of sorts sometimes, esp. in passing situations.

 

[NDAFArly]

I'd somewhat agree with this. But FSU would probably be a close 3rd. They've been turning out a lot of draft picks the last few years. Clemson seems to have reached a higher level the last few years, too.

I think we have quit a few on our roster now.
Not next draft, but the 2-3 after that will be a lot of ND guys (unless a lot leave this year after their Jr/rSoph year). I think we are loaded in the redshirt freshmen, sophomore & junior classes.

The Senior class would be loaded if we didn't lose Smith, Stanley, Elmer, Procise, Robinson, Bryant, etc

 

[TheDecker]

I thought there was a problem with our defense. In all 3 losses, our defense didn't play very well. That was inexcusable to give up that FG drive at the end to Stanford. I tend to think it was more coaching than talent, that was the problem. We didn't have a great pass rusher off the edge, but other than that, I thought we had good talent overall. But the defense looked out of sorts sometimes, esp. in passing situations.

I think you'd have a good argument overall (seasons as a whole) and in the Stanford game

But I really don't think you would in the Clemson for Florida State games, where the defense actually played fairly well

Overall though, I'm not a big fan of our current defensive scheme. I feel it's too complicated and doesn't take full advantage (or even close) of our defensive talent

 

[NDAFArly]

But if you watch the recent games between ND/FSU and ND/Clemson, you'd see that the teams were very closely matched

ND needs to start finding ways to pull these games out in the last play or two (FSU, Clemson, Stanford, etc.) but the rosters are very similar/competitive, from top to bottom

The results have shown that

To me this biggest difference is the inability to win those close games.
Growing up ND seemed to always find a way to pull those out.
Miami, Michigan, USC, Texas, FSU...even the crazy game at MSU in '90 with the ball that bounced off the DB's chest at the 1 straight to our WR at the end.

 

[mbd11]

I think you'd have a good argument overall (seasons as a whole) and in the Stanford game

But I really don't think you would in the Clemson for Florida State games, where the defense actually played fairly well

Overall though, I'm not a big fan of our current defensive scheme. I feel it's too complicated and doesn't take full advantage (or even close) of our defensive talent

They did play fairly well vs. Clemson and FSU (although the monsoon conditions made the Clemson game hard to judge). But yeah, it seems too complicated sometimes. Oh, and I forgot to mention Schmidt. He was a liability last year. He never seemed to regain his 2014 form.

 

[NDAFArly]

I think you'd have a good argument overall (seasons as a whole) and in the Stanford game

But I really don't think you would in the Clemson for Florida State games, where the defense actually played fairly well

Overall though, I'm not a big fan of our current defensive scheme. I feel it's too complicated and doesn't take full advantage (or even close) of our defensive talent

I've stated before that we could win 10 games a year on D if we just did the old fashion Holtz man on man D.
In 7 of the games we have so much more talent that we could win by mid 3rd quarter if we just lined up & played.
In 3 others we win by mid 4th quarter this way.
The other two the talent is equal or slightly behind, but even then I haven't seen many teams just beat us down.

We get beat too many times with trick plays, guys wide open, & our guys running into each other.
If we lined up & went man on man every game we would be 10-2 minimum each year, with a two game season basically deciding our CFP chances.

 

[TheDecker]

To me this biggest difference is the inability to win those close games.
Growing up ND seemed to always find a way to pull those out.
Miami, Michigan, USC, Texas, FSU...even the crazy game at MSU in '90 with the ball that bounced off the DB's chest at the 1 straight to our WR at the end.

I don't think that's fair either, if you look at the close games ND has played in overall

Since 2012, ND is 17-7 in games decided by 1-Score (or less)
That includes wins over teams like Stanford, USC, Michigan, Michigan State, LSU, etc.

I think one issue is that we haven't has a team built appropriately to dominate teams (based on strong LOS play, mentally tough players, aggressive, etc.) which leads to too many close games

When you play good teams (FSU, Clemson, Stanford) you're going to win some and lose some, that's always been the case at ND.
But we shouldn't be in as many close games as we are

 

[TheDecker]

They did play fairly well vs. Clemson and FSU (although the monsoon conditions made the Clemson game hard to judge). But yeah, it seems too complicated sometimes. Oh, and I forgot to mention Schmidt. He was a liability last year. He never seemed to regain his 2014 form.

Completely agree

Van Gorder's defense is built around the MLB in the same way that Kelly's defense is built around the QB

Having a guy like Schmidt at MLB last year absolutely KILLED a very talented defense..........and worse, Van Gorder never adjusted to what he had
(that's my biggest complaint with him as DC)

 

[NDAFArly]

I don't think that's fair either, if you look at the close games ND has played in overall

Since 2012, ND is 17-7 in games decided by 1-Score (or less)
That includes wins over teams like Stanford, USC, Michigan, Michigan State, LSU, etc.

I think one issue is that we haven't has a team built appropriately to dominate teams (based on strong LOS play, mentally tough players, aggressive, etc.) which leads to too many close games

When you play good teams (FSU, Clemson, Stanford) you're going to win some and lose some, that's always been the case at ND.
But we shouldn't be in as many close games as we are

I'm talking games in which ND was the underdog. Miami 88, 90, FSU 93, Michigan 88, 93 & more, Texas 96, UF 92, USC multiple times (even '88).

Those were all games ND was the underdog against great teams but just found a way to pull them off. That '88-'96 stretch seemed to have 2-3 great all-time games every year ND found a way to pull off.

 

[Pennick44]

Last I heard he was going to do three things:
1) change ND's admissions rules
2) make other teams follow rules
3) dig up Rockne

You forgot 4) refill his Prozac prescription.

 

[tkirish]

Absolutely right! Spot on. Those that choose not to recognize this simple fact as to the state of the ND program will always be satisfied with 8 & 4. Look, forget Kelly for a moment, the program as it stands today, and the way it has been operated just is not attracting the elite, top talent. Not anywhere near the levels of the top 5-6 programs. That's the way it is and we may have to accept the fact that we can't - for whatever reasons (the school's built in limitations, the area of the country, the academics etc.) bring this talent here. Coach 8 & 4 will always be that or until there is a break through - highly unlikely - and/or a great, impact-full, Heisman type QB can take the team and carry it to a NC. Otherwise, Kelly is coach 8 & 4. It is what it is.

^^^^^^^^^^^^
This I completely disagree with. First of all let's look at some simple facts. Kelly came here and did not have a whole lot of overall talent. His QB situation the first 3 years was awful. Then when he seemed to turn the corner, bam! The QB gets suspended and he is back to square one. Let's not forget 5 players, 3 of which were startes get suspended. Somehow he gets to the NC. Sure, his team gets crushed, but he got there. Now, has there been coaching mistakes? No question. But I think fans didn't realize how depleted they were on talent. He now has plenty of offensive talent. Enough to compete with anyone, even Bama or Ohio st. The real issue is on defense. I will concede that they do not get enough elite talent on defense to be a top tier team. Why don't they get top talent on defense? I'm not sure. My best guess would be that most of the elite kids are looking to get to the NFL. ND wants you to get a degree and looking at the ciriculum I think a large majority of players don't want to go through the rigors of tough acedemics. It's easier to go to a school where you do the bare minimum requirement while pursuing your dream to play in the NFL. ND has enough talent to beat anyone on their schedule. But you need some good things to happen to win all or almost all your games. Just as an observation and nothing more,Kelly has brought in more talent than anyone since Lou Holtz. Last year was proof that the talent level is clearly better. They lost how many key starters yet kept winning and were right there in the hunt until the very end. So as far as other teams being so much better talent wise, I think it's only a few. Remember the team that went to the NC and lost, should have or at least could have lost to ND. Anyway I'm rambling so I'll just end with this. ND is not going to change their standards. I'm not a Kelly apologist. He has done a pretty good job. I don't know if he will win a NC. But I do know there is a coach who can come to ND and get them over the hump. We just don't know who that coach is. It took Bama how many coaches after Bear Bryant left to find Saban.. ND is as close as ever in my opinion to an elite program. I think this will finalLy be the year for that elusive major bowl win

 

[cgvr]

Still waiting to see what actions the OP is taking to resolve the situation. Instead of just complaining

It's way above your pay grade.....

 

[IrishBlooded]

It's way above your pay grade.....

Prove it.

 

[chaseball]

Ridiculous statement. We just had 7 players drafted this year, which tied us for 4th-best, with Alabama and Florida. And that was two 1sts, two 2nds, two 3rds and a 4th rounder, so they were all in the top half of the draft. So I'd say ND is producing pretty good talent nowadays.

There's ~85 scholarship athletes in a program. NDs top ~10 players can compete with nearly anybody. It's the next 75 players where ND has to close a very large gap.

Also, there's a big difference between being a top 5 program and being a top 5 team any given year. Yes, ND can occasionally compete with the top 10/25 schools in a given game, but our REAL competition is the top 4/elite programs in the country (making the CFB playoffs and competing with those teams for a national championship) ... ND is nowhere near that level and we see it over and over again when we face those teams and get our teeth kicked in.