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In 2024 (and beyond) when college football playoff expands to 12 teams will the status quo warriors use the "playoff appearance" crutch?

Right now there's a gap about the size of a football stadium between ND and the top handful of teams that are actually competing for national titles. Based on the lack of top 50/top 100 talent in the ND organization (at least relative to those real title contending teams) Will ND fans excuse the status quo away with "hey bro we made the playoffs!" when ND squeaks into the back end of the playoff and predictably gets ran over by one of those top contending teams?

Or looked at in another way: to what degree of ass kicking does ND need to continue to be on the receiving end of before fans/alumni/board members/decision makers at ND start to demand (and invest in) a better product?
While this site has a good number of diverse opinions, I think the consensus among the vast majority of participants is that you’re a moron, and no true fan of Notre Dame.

Notre Dame is not diluting their academic standards team in pursuit of a national championship.

Notre Dame is an institution of higher learning, first and foremost, and Notre Dame is not going to sacrifice their principles to satisfy a moron like you

And, in your case, I use the term moron as a term of endearment !
 
IF we are answering the OP, the entire purpose of a playoff is to generate interest among borderline .500 teams who can 'make the playoff.'

The NFL made a mockery of the concept with tiny divisions and losing teams in the playoff.
 
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IF we are answering the OP, the entire purpose of a playoff is to generate interest among borderline .500 teams who can 'make the playoff.'

The NFL made a mockery of the concept with tiny divisions and losing teams in the playoff.
I love the NFL Playoffs
 
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While this site has a good number of diverse opinions, I think the consensus among the vast majority of participants is that you’re a moron, and no true fan of Notre Dame.

Notre Dame is not diluting their academic standards team in pursuit of a national championship.

Notre Dame is an institution of higher learning, first and foremost, and Notre Dame is not going to sacrifice their principles to satisfy a moron like you

And, in your case, I use the term moron as a term of endearment !
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Right now there's a gap about the size of a football stadium between ND and the top handful of teams that are actually competing for national titles. Based on the lack of top 50/top 100 talent in the ND organization (at least relative to those real title contending teams) Will ND fans excuse the status quo away with "hey bro we made the playoffs!" when ND squeaks into the back end of the playoff and predictably gets ran over by one of those top contending teams?

Or looked at in another way: to what degree of ass kicking does ND need to continue to be on the receiving end of before fans/alumni/board members/decision makers at ND start to demand (and invest in) a better product?
You just don't get Notre Dame. You want ND to transform into a football first university. This will never happen, and until you come to terms with this reality, you will never be satisfied with the program.
This leaves you two options:
1. Accept that Notre Dame is a university of higher-learning first and foremost, and football/athletics is an ancillary product with a goal of being as competitive as it can be.

2. If you can't come to terms with 1 than it may be time for you to find another school to follow that fits your criteria.
 
You just don't get Notre Dame. You want ND to transform into a football first university. This will never happen, and until you come to terms with this reality, you will never be satisfied with the program.
This leaves you two options:
1. Accept that Notre Dame is a university of higher-learning first and foremost, and football/athletics is an ancillary product with a goal of being as competitive as it can be.

2. If you can't come to terms with 1 than it may be time for you to find another school to follow that fits your criteria.
Except, let me play devil's advocate here, for a minute...and I am in VIOLENT agreement with your points, being a graduate school graduate from ND, and having a lifetime connection to the school (great uncle from the Philadelphia side of the family taught here over and shortly after WW 2).

Reading Eric's very-well written pieces on how the program is changing, I can't help but think I am reading about a semi-professional football team that could just as easily be called the South Bend Larks (a well-known Studebaker model)...I think a lot of people like Chaser see the sport, even at Notre Dame, as moving to a place where student-athletes don't exist, or just need to major in eligibility.

I know Chaser is a poster with long-standing views that ND should do everything in its power to be tOSU or UGA, but I am starting to see the sport as moving in his direction...maybe Chaser is predicting the future?

I hope not...but I am not liking the changes in college sports, and god help me, I'd rather see the school in the Ivy League than become a tOSU or UGA clone.
 
I know Chaser is a poster with long-standing views that ND should do everything in its power to be tOSU or UGA, but I am starting to see the sport as moving in his direction...maybe Chaser is predicting the future?

I hope not...but I am not liking the changes in college sports, and god help me, I'd rather see the school in the Ivy League than become a tOSU or UGA clone.

Agree. The student-athlete portion is more important than simply satisfying the lust of fans for a championship, particularly when such fans have no real connection to the institution.
 
Except, let me play devil's advocate here, for a minute...and I am in VIOLENT agreement with your points, being a graduate school graduate from ND, and having a lifetime connection to the school (great uncle from the Philadelphia side of the family taught here over and shortly after WW 2).

Reading Eric's very-well written pieces on how the program is changing, I can't help but think I am reading about a semi-professional football team that could just as easily be called the South Bend Larks (a well-known Studebaker model)...I think a lot of people like Chaser see the sport, even at Notre Dame, as moving to a place where student-athletes don't exist, or just need to major in eligibility.

I know Chaser is a poster with long-standing views that ND should do everything in its power to be tOSU or UGA, but I am starting to see the sport as moving in his direction...maybe Chaser is predicting the future?

I hope not...but I am not liking the changes in college sports, and god help me, I'd rather see the school in the Ivy League than become a tOSU or UGA clone.
As the rules change, it's going to be up to the administration as to which direction they ultimately go. For example, if college football ultimately chooses to pay players, this doesn't imply that the student athletes don't have to go to class and ND is going to just buy up the best talent. ND can still control the narrative, keep its academic standards intact, have their student athletes still go to class and earn meaningful degrees as part of the agreement they sign with each student athlete.

Personally i'd prefer this over what we have currently with NIL and the transfer rule.
 
More like Mr. Reality.

Why is it ok on gamedays for people to complain ad nauseum about gameday decision minutia and the coaching but somehow when ND is getting its teeth kicked in from a program-managerial perspective (like on the transfer portal, recruiting trail, 85 man roster, culture, team personnel, etc.) it isn't ok to criticize?

There's no excuse for ND to be completely out of the national title picture in April/May (months before the season even starts!). It's really frustrating and the talent level is getting even worse based on the outlook of the 2024 class. Something has GOT. TO. GIVE.

I'm counting down the days to Jenkins and/or Swarbrick's resignation.
How is ND "completely out of the title picture" as of now?

Most have the Irish in the second tier, just behind the four preseason favorites of Georgia, OSU, Oregon and Texas. I don't think people would be shocked to see ND or Bama win it all this year.
 
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How is ND "completely out of the title picture" as of now?

Most have the Irish in the second tier, just behind the four preseason favorites of Georgia, OSU, Oregon and Texas. I don't think people would be shocked to see ND or Bama win it all this year.
Regarding your last sentence, I would be shocked to see Notre Dame win a CFB title in 2024.

I am simply hopeful to win at TAM.
 
As the rules change, it's going to be up to the administration as to which direction they ultimately go. For example, if college football ultimately chooses to pay players, this doesn't imply that the student athletes don't have to go to class and ND is going to just buy up the best talent. ND can still control the narrative, keep its academic standards intact, have their student athletes still go to class and earn meaningful degrees as part of the agreement they sign with each student athlete.

Personally i'd prefer this over what we have currently with NIL and the transfer rule.
Good post. Could not disagree more with ticat's post. There is nothing that is "semi-professional..." within Notre Dame Football.
 
They will win at A&M, take it to the bank.
NDNJ, TAM isn't Purdue. This road game will be difficult to win, IMO, and I would not be shocked with either outcome.

I hope you are correct.
 
This 2024 team winning 4 consecutive games in a CFB Playoff?

I would be shocked.
Not very shocking that a preseason top 10 team (probably 5 thru 8) wins the CFB playoff

It wouldn't be a shock.
 
Regarding your last sentence, I would be shocked to see Notre Dame win a CFB title in 2024.

I am simply hopeful to win at TAM.

Would you be shocked to see Bama win an NC this upcoming season? Probably not.

The odds are similar.
 
Good post. Could not disagree more with ticat's post. There is nothing that is "semi-professional..." within Notre Dame Football.
Semi-professional in that there is an insistence, by the NCAA and other agencies, that players are amateurs...As to quality and competency of team administration, they are as professional as the Indianapolis Colts or Kansas City Chiefs...

Are you also that annoying Patrick guy that writes everything in bold font?
 
Semi-professional in that there is an insistence, by the NCAA and other agencies, that players are amateurs...As to quality and competency of team administration, they are as professional as the Indianapolis Colts or Kansas City Chiefs...

Are you also that annoying Patrick guy that writes everything in bold font?
That’s insulting ! 😜
 
Would you be shocked to see Bama win an NC this upcoming season? Probably not.

The odds are similar.
I don’t follow Alabama. I follow Notre Dame.

And from what I see of this 2024 team, I would be shocked if Notre Dame wins a title in 2024.
 
I don’t follow Alabama. I follow Notre Dame.

And from what I see of this 2024 team, I would be shocked if Notre Dame wins a title in 2024.

Well, if you don't have any idea of how strong are the other contenders for this upcoming NC, then you shouldn't be expressing opinions on the difficulty of ND winning.
 
I don’t follow Alabama. I follow Notre Dame.

And from what I see of this 2024 team, I would be shocked if Notre Dame wins a title in 2024.
This team has the potential to go 12-0!
 
I have, since their last title in 1988.
What happened in the past is irrelevant to this year, this team.

This team is one of the best 10 in the country so winning a NC is not likely, but not shocking either
 
What happened in the past is irrelevant to this year, this team.

This team is one of the best 10 in the country so winning a NC is not likely, but not shocking either
The difference between the top 2-3 teams, and the next 15 teams, is vast.

The SEC has won 13 of the last 18 titles. IMO, the SEC or Ohio St. will very very likely win the next title
 
The difference between the top 2-3 teams, and the next 15 teams, is vast.

The SEC has won 13 of the last 18 titles. IMO, the SEC or Ohio St. will very very likely win the next title
Not last year. There were 6 teams that could of won it. I think people forget Bama was a bad fumble & a 3rd down conversion from the title game. Texas was a close to beating Washington. Georgia was probably the best team & FSU (before Travis got hurt) was a legit contender.
 
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The difference between the top 2-3 teams, and the next 15 teams, is vast.

The SEC has won 13 of the last 18 titles. IMO, the SEC or Ohio St. will very very likely win the next title
Michigan won it last year and we recruit better than them. And Washington was in the Final

No reason they can get there but we can't
 
Good post. Could not disagree more with ticat's post. There is nothing that is "semi-professional..." within Notre Dame Football.
I'm not sure what you would call collecting a million dollars in NIL if not professional.
 
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Not last year. There were 6 teams that could of won it. I think people forget Bama was a bad fumble & a 3rd down conversion from the title game. Texas was a close to beating Washington. Georgia was probably the best team & FSU (before Travis got hurt) was a legit contender.
But I think this year was really the most open it was to several possible champions in quite some time. Most years it seems to be one favorite and a couple of contenders.
 
Michigan won it last year and we recruit better than them. And Washington was in the Final

No reason they can get there but we can't
I think that injuries and coaching will determine the outcome
 
Good post. Could not disagree more with ticat's post. There is nothing that is "semi-professional..." within Notre Dame Football.
Based on the reporting that Power Five schools will now pay players directly, sjb, I owe you a BIG apology...Notre Dame will indeed be a professional franchise in ALL ways related to, at least, college football and basketball...though I suspect hockey, soccer and lacrosse may not be far behind...

Sad day for fans of true college sports...not the apology, the deal to pay "student-athletes" (aka, employees)
 
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