Twerking themselves out of the playoffs tonight.
Fighting Kelly’s of LSU
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I always wish BK well. But this is a blowout and a season going south. He consistently seems to lose in the big moments.
It can’t be too comfortable for him in Louisiana right now.
It can’t be too comfortable for him in Louisiana right now.
Not too comfortable? Well, having a 65 million guaranteed buyout will help,
It'll help like having a used car salesman tell you "I guarantee this car..."
65 mil is pocket change to LSU alums...
I'm not an alum...but if he don't work out in the next year, the cheques will be in the courier
Wow, BK is so rich. That’s so good for him.
That doesn't even include performance bonuses, media appearances, sponsorship/endorsements, speaking engagement/camps, and in some cases stipends for housing and travel.
I think what you mean to say is, he doesn't win in every big moment. This is not a great LSU team. It is not talent-laden and 6-3 is about right for them so far for this season. There is no reason to think LSU should rightly be reeling off wins over one big boy SEC team after another. It'd be nice if they did, but it's not a shock that they're not. And that's a fair statement. It's unfair to say BK consistently loses big games he should win. That's a spin. That's portraying the wins and losses in a tendentious fashion. To make him look bad. I guess you said 'the big moments'. But same difference.
In any case they got their ass kicked tonight, at home, and if they had to lose I'm sure everyone wishes it didn't have to be that bad.
No way…. Woah, he’s super super rich.
Probably needed to have beaten USC although I think USC is solid.
They haven’t been particularly impressive this year. I don’t really blame Kelly for the FG kicking issues against A&M, some turnovers, but they still got carved up on D towards the end.
Kind of had to pull one out of the hat against So Carolina and Mississippi but hey they won.
The bigger issue for me, if I were an LSU fan, was last year. Unreal talent at QB and WR and still three losses. Defense has been Kelly’s achilles heel.
This was not just a loss. They were down 42 to 6. At home. And Alabama is down this year, although still good.
Year 3 at LSU and lacking talent? Thats fireable right there
when you're winning, yes.
When you're losing, not so much.
When you lose embarrassingly,
definitely not!
So the rhetoric would be more accurate to simply say he loses big games.
You have to actually win some big games to eventually be put in the expected to win a big game category.
Remember...
Still doesn't have one major bowl victory with every appearance being a lopsided result. Zero playoff victories again with no games being close.
That's his entire career.
He's fools gold. Nothing more, nothing less.
He's like one of the all-time winningest coaches in football history. Only reason he got the job was because of his incredible record of success everywhere's been. 'Fool's gold' is lunatic crazy mob talk, nothing more or less.
Has it? Last year it was. Anyway, 10-3, 10-3, 6-3 is generally not terrible, certainly not fireable over. Not at LSU, not anywhere. But that was a beatdown. I think what they need is an OC. But they need to hold on to their generational QB recruit, who's tight with the OC.
Maybe at tOSU, because they know they should be cruising through a typical Big Ten schedule. So that's one place where it wouldn't be good enough.
That was the kind of beatdown, at home, that gets the donors in the backrooms busy drafting scenarios. Whenever LSU fans think Kelly is going to prove them right....he continues to prove them wrong. He is what he is...its just a matter of whether the status quo is sustainable. I don't think it is. I recall LSU's first loss in the opener...Kelly pounded the table. He isn't pounding it anymore....that is noticable.
And you are definitely what you are. A disturbed man. Most of the time you keep it pent up, otherwise you couldn't function in society. But this is where you take out all your rage, derision and viciousness. That must be what it is with BK, he's considered a safe target. He's short, and doesn't carry himself like a meathead. A little wuss, essentially. And thus vulnerable, at least in your minds. And the total disconnect between his results and success as a coach, and the full-blown lynch mob energy and malevolence and loathing, and the palpable desire to watch him burn that he inspires, speaks to that. Nay it shrieks to it.
LSU has an athlete resource center and nutrition center for the football program. Right? And they are supporting the program with all of the resources that the head coach could possibly want or need....right? So Kelly has everything he needs to go after that elusive national championship, right? These are the reasons he says he is at LSU. So.......LSU has everything it wants in a head coach............right?
But......if I wasn't here for you to color all of your drama on.....you wouldn't have much of a life....right? Maybe you should thank me for filling up that empty place inside.
Wipe your lips blowhard. People are allowed to point out his glaring shortcomings as a coach. You’re the one getting all bent out of shape about it
It does hurt. I did like BK a lot, and still do. He was my guy. And he was an awesome coach. To see him become a hate-figure, almost like something from a George Orwell novel does get to me, as you can see. So I don't deny that. Watching you guys wait and pace and snicker, and then revel and wallow in anything bad that happens to him, ultimately with the prize of him being disgraced and fired and dragged through streets, as it were of course, which he's never been in his career, is legitimately appalling. It does kind of break your heart a little bit. Just about human nature, and people.
So you got me there!
BK is a polarizing figure on this board. Some love him, many don't. But as ND fans, I suppose we all have our inherent biases about BK. For a more objective view, here is college football pundit Stewart Mandel's take on LSU's loss last night to Bama:
"The story of Brian Kelly’s first three seasons has been tantalizing teases (beating Alabama and reaching the SEC title game in 2022, Jayden Daniels’ Heisman run last year) and frustrating setbacks (season-opening collapses against Florida State and USC, imploding in the fourth quarter at Texas A&M two weeks ago). This debacle fits on its own shelf. Getting blown out at home to your biggest rival is never ideal for any coach, but this one comes in LSU’s first Alabama game since longtime nemesis Saban’s retirement. And now this will be Kelly’s third straight 9-3 regular season (at best).
Kelly left Notre Dame three years ago largely because he felt being at LSU gave him a better chance at winning a national championship. But first, he’s got to make a Playoff. Something his former school has a better shot at this season."
I would say the final sentence speaks to the irony of BK's current situation. Maybe the grass wasn't greener at LSU. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. Can BK reach the promised land at LSU? The LSU boosters are paying him a lot of money to do so. If current LSU commit and the consensus No. 1 HS player Bryce Underwood flips to Michigan, as some suggest might happen, this won't help BK.
"The story of Brian Kelly’s first three seasons has been tantalizing teases (beating Alabama and reaching the SEC title game in 2022, Jayden Daniels’ Heisman run last year) and frustrating setbacks (season-opening collapses against Florida State and USC, imploding in the fourth quarter at Texas A&M two weeks ago). This debacle fits on its own shelf. Getting blown out at home to your biggest rival is never ideal for any coach, but this one comes in LSU’s first Alabama game since longtime nemesis Saban’s retirement. And now this will be Kelly’s third straight 9-3 regular season (at best).
Kelly left Notre Dame three years ago largely because he felt being at LSU gave him a better chance at winning a national championship. But first, he’s got to make a Playoff. Something his former school has a better shot at this season."
I would say the final sentence speaks to the irony of BK's current situation. Maybe the grass wasn't greener at LSU. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. Can BK reach the promised land at LSU? The LSU boosters are paying him a lot of money to do so. If current LSU commit and the consensus No. 1 HS player Bryce Underwood flips to Michigan, as some suggest might happen, this won't help BK.
He got more money and he doesn't have to recruit nearly as hard. More time to golf down there
He took the money and the easy route and it's not working out for him
I'm happy we have our coach and not him
Thank you for what you did but we have the better coach now who gives this University a better chance of winning
I wasn’t making a claim for him to get fired. Yes, the defense was an issue at Notre Dame and now at LSU. He’s way too hands off with defense. I can see that easily regardless of the scoreboard.
BK is now sort of 'hated' as like a national joke, or meme or something, on the CFB landscape, which went totally viral and nationwide when he took the LSU job. And there's these made up myths and canards and hate campaigns that now float in the ether, and only exist because of psycho, bizarrely bloodthirsty, spiteful ND fans. We should have fired him when he went 4-8. It would have been reasonable enough, he'd been there 7 years. And he probably would have taken a job at like, Oregon St., or something like that, and presumably would have continued to do quite well for himself. And none of this free floating BK hate and casual contempt would even exist. But then he totally recovered, and went on the tear that I was always anticipating from the beginning, and which he was close to achieving in year three, when things got derailed a little bit when old boy got suspended and Tommy Rees had to take over. And yet belatedly he was able to achieve the mission, get ND to perennial power status. And that's when all the vitriol and inexplicable loathing and hostility began to kick in. Right when we started finally winning on a regular basis. I watched it happen. Nobody even wanted him fired all that bad after '16 other than a shrill minority.
So something really pathological happened to the ND fanbase somewhere along the line. Aided of course by the Opus Dei-esque culture/tradition cult or however you might call them at ND Nation website, who totally hated BK from day one and never relented all the way through. And who carry themselves like genuine fanatics and snide true believers, and BK is their enemy, their bete noire. To be publicly spat on and denigrated, with sincerity and conviction and vigor, and real emotion, whenever the spirit moves, as if to periodically cleanse one's soul, absolutely reminding you at times of '2 minutes hate' from 1984. And he ended up ND's all-time winningest coach, while also far and away ND's most hated coach, like nobody else in ND's illustrious history. And the powers that be, however sensitive they were or not to the restless natives, loved what BK did for the program. And held on tight to the guy. And he left the program in awesome shape for his successor to keep the good times coming. And god bless MF, he's doing it. And very presumably, if he was still here, BK would also still be doing it.
Anyway, I figure he recovers from this. 8-4/9-3 is what I expecting from the start for this year's LSU team, so this almost prefabricated narrative of what a bum BK is, now freely indulged in by the more surly LSU fans is particularly overwrought IMO, though they did get stomped last night. And we have ND fans to thank for that. They created this monster. BK should be revered and loved, or at least admired, by any reasonable or civil standard, and yet he is despised and loathed, and at best is coolly appreciated by a cautious subset of fans, and would not be welcome back on campus. That's his legacy.
So something really pathological happened to the ND fanbase somewhere along the line. Aided of course by the Opus Dei-esque culture/tradition cult or however you might call them at ND Nation website, who totally hated BK from day one and never relented all the way through. And who carry themselves like genuine fanatics and snide true believers, and BK is their enemy, their bete noire. To be publicly spat on and denigrated, with sincerity and conviction and vigor, and real emotion, whenever the spirit moves, as if to periodically cleanse one's soul, absolutely reminding you at times of '2 minutes hate' from 1984. And he ended up ND's all-time winningest coach, while also far and away ND's most hated coach, like nobody else in ND's illustrious history. And the powers that be, however sensitive they were or not to the restless natives, loved what BK did for the program. And held on tight to the guy. And he left the program in awesome shape for his successor to keep the good times coming. And god bless MF, he's doing it. And very presumably, if he was still here, BK would also still be doing it.
Anyway, I figure he recovers from this. 8-4/9-3 is what I expecting from the start for this year's LSU team, so this almost prefabricated narrative of what a bum BK is, now freely indulged in by the more surly LSU fans is particularly overwrought IMO, though they did get stomped last night. And we have ND fans to thank for that. They created this monster. BK should be revered and loved, or at least admired, by any reasonable or civil standard, and yet he is despised and loathed, and at best is coolly appreciated by a cautious subset of fans, and would not be welcome back on campus. That's his legacy.
I don't think defense was an issue at ND with BK, I don't know what you're talking about, they were fine, they were good. That's why we went 44-6 or whatever it was. Only with Van Gorder did the defense kind of suck. And we still almost made the playoff one of those years. Though it was the defense that couldn't get a final stand against Stanford to hold on to the win and finish 11-1.
But that's true, you weren't specifically alluding to him being fired.
The devil is in the details. That’s why I said “regardless of scoreboard”.
What does that mean? Even though we were awesome, made the playoff two out of four years, this close to making it three times, and the defense was totally carrying its weight, you just have to scrutinize it very carefully and cleverly. Study the fine print, and pore over the defensive stats, then eventually you'll see how we were shitty on defense. And the narrative will emerge.
So I don't agree with that. Seemed like we were plenty good on defense. Anyway, enough of that. LSU lost, they got curb stomped. Nothin else to see here...
It means x’s and o’s. That doesn’t show up on the scoreboard, stat sheet, or fine print.
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