Fighting Kelly’s of LSU

[4-4-3]

Was easy to dunk on Kelly after that embarrassing loss to Tennessee. But that may have been a testament to how good the vols are. Offense looks unstoppable.
Kelly has done about as well as you could expect him to do so far this season

Plus, the Vols put up more points on Bama than on LSU.

They can apparently score on anyone almost at will.

 

[notredamerises23]

Kelly is a QB whisperer……any guy that can turn TR and IB into ND superstars can get it done!

The fact that we won as much as we did with Book and Rees should tell you something but unfortunately for you it doesn’t and you’ll argue some nonsense.

 

[tbonesays]

It’s unreal. Pretty easily can find situations where a player could’ve scored, didn’t and the team either runs out the clock or goes into v formation and kicks the FG.

guess dudes didn’t see how the Jets beat the browns this year

Most of the ones I have seen are in the NFL. I don't think that is a good use of college practice time.

Also we don't know the odds of a chip shot fg from a MAC level kicker vs Coen leading an ND scoring drive in under 1 minute.

 

[Golson5]

Most of the ones I have seen are in the NFL. I don't think that is a good use of college practice time.

Also we don't know the odds of a chip shot fg from a MAC level kicker vs Coen leading an ND scoring drive in under 1 minute.

Look up their odds with extra points. That's what it would have been. Probably 98%

 

[mva5580]

No doubt this is significant. But that is definitely not the only difference. LSU can get 4&5 stars in depth. ND cannot.

LSU is also a destination for a top coach aspiring for a NC. ND isn’t.

I use Stanford and Andrew Luck as a basis of comparison. Stanford was very good with him and some good skill players. But not elite.

Stanford now is also struggling similar to ND. The player Darwinian arms race has evolved even more the past few years. ND and Stanford are in a weaker position than ever given their standards.

Yet both remain strong brands. Both could turn it around and be elite if they made academic and NIL accommodation. I’ve long posted both could without moral or academic compromise. Offering a progressive remedial degree program…not least with a finance angle for players to wisely save and invest their NIL money.

I bet Stanford as a secular school does this before ND. I’m a Catholic, but this is one area where misapplied Catholic self righteousness rears itself. Listen to some ND alumni here...who’ve told me they’d rather ND be weaker than “compromise”.

Don’t get me wrong, as I respect such folks. They mean well. But as I said, I think moral righteousness is misapplied here…throwing away a chance to do a social good and maintain a magical football brand enhancing ND and Catholic identity,

Jesus Christ. You’d think such a prestigious school has the intellectual, moral, and creative capital to make lemonade out of the college football semipro farce. It can be done.

If they won’t, fine, I’ll follow and root forever. But the brand cannot last and will lose younger folks. Where Notre Dame Fighting Irish glory will be a distant memory…something abstract to a team outside of being a real football competitor.

Incredibly well said, and probably one of the best posts I've read on this board in quite a long time. Respect.

 

[savvyandsassier]

Oh and I just googled the Jets/Browns game ending on YouTube - Jets score twice in last two minutes! - and there is no pertinent similarity to the ND/Toledo game. How the F in any way does how the Jets won that game resemble Toledo losing to ND, and they could have won if they had just copied what the Jets did?

So you creepers out there find me a game where that actually happened. NFL is fine, doesn't have to be college. Where some team was about to pull off the big win but deliberately didn't score - when they could have just walked into the end zone - on account of how strategically they were intent on winding the clock down and giving their opponent no chance for any dying-seconds heroics of their own...

 

[Golson5]

Incredibly well said, and probably one of the best posts I've read on this board in quite a long time. Respect.

Except its inaccurate. Besides that... respect

 

[tbonesays]

Look up their odds with extra points. That's what it would have been. Probably 98%

No, extra points are kicked from the middle of the field. The Rocket QB IIRC was on the left. Kicking from the hash mark is worse when it is a short kick.

 

[Golson5]

No, extra points are kicked from the middle of the field. The Rocket QB IIRC was on the left. Kicking from the hash mark is worse when it is a short kick.

They could have designed a play to put the ball on the middle of field plenty of time.

Pprobably 98% as an extra point and 90% or more from the hashes. It was a gimme. He screwed up. Big mistake by him, huge break for us

 

[HDK]

They could have designed a play to put the ball on the middle of field plenty of time.

Pprobably 98% as an extra point and 90% or more from the hashes. It was a gimme. He screwed up. Big mistake by him, huge break for us

You guys really like to argue about everything just for the sake of arguing, don't you? I'm with the others who say any QB on a midlevel team who found himself racing with a clear path to the end zone against a ND, Alabama, Michigan, Clemson, Penn State, etc. would not be thinking -- and more importantly, would not have been coached to -- pull up short, run to the middle of the field and take a knee. The idea that teams would practice that to the point where a kid could stifle his basic instinct to score seems pretty farfetched to me.

 

[Golson5]

You guys really like to argue about everything just for the sake of arguing, don't you? I'm with the others who say any QB on a midlevel team who found himself racing with a clear path to the end zone against a ND, Alabama, Michigan, Clemson, Penn State, etc. would not be thinking -- and more importantly, would not have been coached to -- pull up short, run to the middle of the field and take a knee. The idea that teams would practice that to the point where a kid could stifle his basic instinct to score seems pretty farfetched to me.

Teams do practice not scoring. Its very common now. Its the smart play and you see it more often now than ever. If you arent teaching kids about time score and situation you arent doing your job

 

[tbonesays]

Teams do practice not scoring. Its very common now. Its the smart play and you see it more often now than ever. If you arent teaching kids about time score and situation you arent doing your job

I don't think I would want players running towards the endzone and hesitating is this one of the times I should score?

 

[Golson5]

I don't think I would want players running towards the endzone and hesitating is this one of the times I should score?

Well at the end of games when it benefits your team, you'd be making a mistake.

Selfish players or poorly coached players score in that situation. Smart unselfish players stop at the 1

It happened to psu as well and they lost in 2020 against Indiana. Coach said he was told to go down at the 1, he didn't. Indiana came back in last minute and won the game

 

[banmate6]

Except its inaccurate. Besides that... respect

It is accurate.

😉

 

[savvyandsassier]

Well at the end of games when it benefits your team, you'd be making a mistake.

Selfish players or poorly coached players score in that situation. Smart unselfish players stop at the 1

It happened to psu as well and they lost in 2020 against Indiana. Coach said he was told to go down at the 1, he didn't. Indiana came back in last minute and won the game

Close but no cigar, as that is NOT the same situation. I googled it, and Penn St. was already ahead, and they wanted to run the clock out which is understandable and very straightforward, and IU was able to trick or induce them into scoring against their will or their better judgement or what have you. And then IU got the ball back and had their chance.

But alas it's very telling how intent you are on arguing this obscure point, and grabbing at straws to somehow carry the day. You don't give a F about BK by now you just want to win the argument for your own personal reasons. But you didn't though, because this is not the same situation. Many/most/all coaches would be aware of the considerable utility of simply running out the clock, in possession of the ball, ahead on the scoreboard, and sufficiently little time left that, presumably they could successfully end the game on that possession. It's called victory formation!

Toledo was not in victory formation, because they were still trying to take the lead. So you are effin' wrong. And don't say you're just trolling for shits and giggles. You just don't want to back down....

 

[Golson5]

Close but no cigar, as that is NOT the same situation. I googled it, and Penn St. was already ahead, and they wanted to run the clock out which is understandable and very straightforward, and IU was able to trick or induce them into scoring against their will or their better judgement or what have you. And then IU got the ball back and had their chance.

But alas it's very telling how intent you are on arguing this obscure point, and grabbing at straws to somehow carry the day. You don't give a F about BK by now you just want to win the argument for your own personal reasons. But you didn't though, because this is not the same situation. Many/most/all coaches would be aware of the considerable utility of simply running out the clock, in possession of the ball, ahead on the scoreboard, and sufficiently little time left that, presumably they could successfully end the game on that possession. It's called victory formation!

Toledo was not in victory formation, because they were still trying to take the lead. So you are effin' wrong. And don't say you're just trolling for shits and giggles. You just don't want to back down....

The kid goes down at the 1 and penn st wins. He scored. Indiana came down and won the game

Buffalo bills did this recently. Took knees at the goalline then kicked the field goal to win

It's the smart play. Toledo kid screwed up. We benefitted from it

 

[BGI User 1596]

The kid goes down at the 1 and penn st wins. He scored. Indiana came down and won the game

Buffalo bills did this recently. Took knees at the goalline then kicked the field goal to win

It's the smart play. Toledo kid screwed up. We benefitted from it

It’s good to beat hard hitting Toledo on a self inflicted error!