F+ update, ND drops to 9th after week 10 bye

[chaseball]

Notre Dame was at #7 last week, but dropped to #9 this week after the bye. Defense is ranked 5th, offense ranked 14th through week 10.

Notre Dame has been floating around 7th-15th (but have been a lock in the top 10 for the last several weeks). There's also a group in the top 5 starting to pull away from the rest of the pack a bit with F+ ratings at 2.0 or higher. There are TWO 2-loss teams rated higher than ND (Alabama, and Ole Miss).

1. OSU, 2.26
2. Oregon, 2.19
3. Georgia, 2.02
4. Ole Miss, 2.00
5. Texas, 2.00
6. Alabama, 1.89
7. Miami, 1.69
8. Penn State, 1.68
9. Notre Dame 1.67
10. Tennessee, 1.62
11. Indiana, 1.57
12. LSU, 1.45

BCF Toys - 2024 F+ Ratings

www.bcftoys.com

 

[chaseball]

F+ rankings of NDs 4 remaining opponents on schedule:

FSU #80
Virginia #70
USC #20
Army #29

 

[Golson5]

Ole Miss at 4 Lol

 

[chaseball]

Ole Miss at 4 Lol

After South Carolina (a team Ole Miss beat badly) beat TAMU, Ole Miss got a nice bump into top 5. Their two losses are by a total of 6 points to LSU#12 and Kentucky#40

They've also dominated in all of their wins (less a 12 point victory to OU).

 

[Golson5]

After South Carolina (a team Ole Miss beat badly) beat TAMU, Ole Miss got a nice bump into top 5. Their two losses are by a total of 6 points to LSU#12 and Kentucky#40

They've also dominated in all of their wins (less a 12 point victory to OU).

I know

I laughed out loud about their ranking at 4

 

[88ND]

Notre Dame was at #7 last week, but dropped to #9 this week after the bye. Defense is ranked 5th, offense ranked 14th through week 10.

Notre Dame has been floating around 7th-15th (but have been a lock in the top 10 for the last several weeks). There's also a group in the top 5 starting to pull away from the rest of the pack a bit with F+ ratings at 2.0 or higher. There are TWO 2-loss teams rated higher than ND (Alabama, and Ole Miss).

1. OSU, 2.26
2. Oregon, 2.19
3. Georgia, 2.02
4. Ole Miss, 2.00
5. Texas, 2.00
6. Alabama, 1.89
7. Miami, 1.69
8. Penn State, 1.68
9. Notre Dame 1.67
10. Tennessee, 1.62
11. Indiana, 1.57
12. LSU, 1.45

BCF Toys - 2024 F+ Ratings

www.bcftoys.com

EXACTLY WHY I CALL ABSOLUTE BS ON THESE S+FP-ZEQ RANKINGS. ​

In 2018(season) the final f+p+abc silly ranking had Clemson ranked 3rd behind Bama and Georgia. Even though there was only one team @ 15-0 at the end of the year and a statement win against Bama this ranking somewhere had the "data" to put Clemson lower than Bama and Georgia!!! WTF​

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This nonsense hasn't stopped and now has OSU ranked higher than the team they lost to in Oregon. ​

Boise State isn't in the Top 12...with an absolute identical record and near resume as OSU. ​

Yet they aren't beside them which is where they should be. Hell they're not even in the top 12. ​

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This all goes back to the sham AP poll. You have 5 teams in lieu of any record in the top 10 from the SEC. WHY?
If the teams you play are over ranked then it all looks blue sky.
The very same conference that WILL NOT play north the mason dixon line post halloween.
A conference terrified to leave the friendly confines of the south east corner climate.

Bama and the Rebels @ #4 and #6

Come on brotha...

 

[Get Nasty]

After South Carolina (a team Ole Miss beat badly) beat TAMU, Ole Miss got a nice bump into top 5. Their two losses are by a total of 6 points to LSU#12 and Kentucky#40

They've also dominated in all of their wins (less a 12 point victory to OU).

You just explained why them at 4 is an absolute joke. It looks like it's rewarding close losses and crushing average/bad teams vs actually beating anyone. Ole miss doesn't have a good win. Either does Penn state, miami, or indiana.

I'm very curious to see CFP rankings tomorrow and how they view teams like penn state, miami, indiana that haven't beaten a good team.

 

[chaseball]

You just explained why them at 4 is an absolute joke. It looks like it's rewarding close losses and crushing average/bad teams vs actually beating anyone. Ole miss doesn't have a good win. Either does Penn state, miami, or indiana.

I'm very curious to see CFP rankings tomorrow and how they view teams like penn state, miami, indiana that haven't beaten a good team.

The system considers everything down to the play by play level. The best way to describe the system at the highest level is as "a ranking system that adjusts for opponent quality and for luck".

 

[88ND]

"a ranking system that adjusts for opponent quality and for luck".

Opponent quality based on what?

 

[Golson5]

The system considers everything down to the play by play level. The best way to describe the system at the highest level is as "a ranking system that adjusts for opponent quality and for luck".

If the system is so bad, you have to change the system

 

[chaseball]

Opponent quality based on what?

For the first 5 or 6 weeks of the new season, "opponent quality" is based on the SP+ preseason projections because the sample size is too small (non existent) to effectively rank teams with F+ data.

And the SP+ preseason projections are based on 3 core football program components:
1. a program's recent production overall (recent seasons weighted heaviest)
2. what players are returning (including transfer portal players) and what did they produce last year?, and
3. the incoming talent from recruiting (recent classes weighted heaviest).

At the 6 or 7 week point, the F+ system takes into consideration 100% of the performance data from the current season, and disregards most of the SP+ preseason projection data to determine each team's F+ rating (and opponent quality is then determined by each team's current in season F+ rating).

So teams are being ranked at this point in the 2024 season based purely on how well their offense, defense, and special teams has produced in the 2024 season down to the play by play level.