To you and your ilk perhaps, but to others who only wish to discuss the realities of ND differently. You have never contributed one ounce of anything worthy to discuss here. All of your comments have been to belittle others. (Go back, and check them) You denigrate, belittle and attempt to humiliate. You are a rather despicable character, both as a fan and a person. I understanding your lack of comprehending this. If you and your clique are what has transformed into what discussion about ND has become, well, it explains a lot about why the out side hates ND so much. The challenges ND faces is not just our religious background, our morals and principals, but the smug, elitist attitude of so many like you portray outside of the University. If there ever was an example of why people dislike ND, it is you. Feel comfortable with yourself. You have a lot to learn from life, but it appears you are incapable.