Do you need an elite QB to win a championship
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How many true Freshman started at QB this season for a top 15 team?
Or
How many true Freshman started for ND at any position this season?
Because a player doesn’t start as a freshman does not mean he does not have the goods.
Jack was a veteran QB and TB was not ready to start as a true Freshman. Not many are.
Thanks. Enjoyed doing it as I'd wanted to for years. Luckily, the right post came along.
You’re contradicting yourself.
First you tell us that he’s “elite” and then you tell us that he’s not good enough to start.
You can’t have it both ways.
A reasonable extension of your logic is that Coan was elite and more experienced, ergo he started.
The next Super Bowl QB is likely a 3-4 star, not 5. Who is he!? That’s the million dollar question. Same goes for RB and likely most other positions.
Matthew Stafford and Cam Newton are the only 5 star QBs to ever make a a super Bowl if u need proof. Not exactly top of the list for my favorite QBs.
Dante Moore needs to wear a gold helmet.
Matthew Stafford and Cam Newton are the only 5 star QBs to ever make a a super Bowl if u need proof. Not exactly top of the list for my favorite QBs.
Dante Moore needs to wear a gold helmet.
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We’ll have to see about Buchner as whether or not a QB is elite at the college level can’t be determined in advance.
But here’s a list of guys who STARTED as freshmen, TURNING IN ELITE YEARS and in most cases ELITE COLLEGE CAREERS as well. And in some instances, ELITE PRO CAREERS.
25 of the best freshmen QB's
So, Buckner in NOT BEATING OUT JACK COAN, has already fallen behind THIS GROUP.
But then, one swallow does not a summer make, so he could MATURE into someone elite.
And I mean “COULD.”
Jimmy Clausen did after a scary freshman year as a starter, while Blair Kiel, who also started as a freshman, MERELY IMPROVED and was never elite. Nor was Ron Powlus whose freshman year was delayed a year due to injury. While Powlus was very good, he didn’t make AA and was never viewed as the player some expected him to be.
Will Buchner prove to be the player some expect? No one knows. But if you were to ask me if I saw signs this past season of his becoming the next Peyton Manning, RG III or Colt McCoy, I’d have to say NOT REALLY.
The next Rick Leach maybe? A fairer comparison – at least at the moment.
I should add that other ND freshman QB's who started -- and they did so at various points in the season -- turned out in a variety of ways.
Brady Quinn proved elite at the college level, while Tommy Rees did not despite winding up among the leaders in career stats. Steve Beuerlein, who was always talented, got steadily better and developed into a competent pro QB -- the last from ND as it's turned out.
Matt LoVecchio had one of those one-year wonder seasons but then got beaten out by Carlyle Holiday, while Kent Graham and Paul Failla started only one game apiece.
In the case of Clausen, Quinn, Kiel, Beuerlein, LoVecchio, Rees and Powlus, the thinking was that they each gave the team the BEST CHANCE TO WIN. Which is exactly why Kelly DIDN'T start Buchner as it was BK's belief that Coan, not Buchner, gave the 2021 team the best chance to win.
What will be fascinating is watching Buchner go HEAD TO HEAD in next season's opener against OSU whose QB, Stroud, WAS ELITE AS A FRESHMAN and promises to continue to be going forward.
How well will Buchner perform in comparison? One way or the other, the contrast will be TELLING.
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Did I use the word elite while describing TB? I don’t believe I did.
So, because Jack won the starting job, that means TB is not a top 10 QB in 2022???
He wasn’t in 2021, so what about his performance in 2021 leads you to believe that he’ll be a top 10 QB in 2022 ?
Well, he has not played a complete game? How can you automatically put him in the top 10? Heck, he did not even finish in the Top 10 at the Elite 11. You earn your Top 10 status on the field, not the message boards.
Does he have the talent and a chance to be Top 10? Sure, so do about 20 talented new national starters. Earn this.
Are you really saying elite QBs (your word not mine) are only elite if they play from day 1???
His HS film tells me all I need to know.
As I stated, what do college coaches use to evaluate a player??? His HS film.
Again, we can address this after ND beats OSU week 1
# 1. He’s no longer in high school.
# 2. He played college football in 2021.
In order to be elite at some point in the future you have to demonstrate foundational qualities that allow you to become elite.
What elite foundational qualities did he demonstrate this past year ?
I certainly hope that we beat OSU in our opener, but irrational enthusiasm won’t get it done !
Athleticism
He can be elite without beating osu. I don't know what that had to do with the topic
| CMP | ATT | CMP% | YDS | AVG | TD | INT | LNG | RTG |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 366 | 547 | 66.9 | 4,872 | 8.9 | 47 | 7 | 94 | 167.5 |
| 13 | 22 | 59.1 | 156 | 7.1 | 1 | 0 | 35 | 133.7 |
These stats are from a QB we all would agree is “elite”.
Look at his freshman season 2020 the bottom stat line. They are very similar to TB this season. Now look at his 2021 season.
By the way, these are Bryce Young’s stats.
Such limited playing exposure in 1st year is no basis for comparison. And BY and TB are very different QB types.
Wk 1? and then the season is over? Let’s see him once DC’s build game plans around him.
Without trying I can think of 7 QB’s I think will be better!
TB goes head 2 head with 2 of them. A third QB for consideration DJU@CU is kind of a mystery - could be great to meh.
Without trying I can think of 7 QB’s I think will be better!
TB goes head 2 head with 2 of them. A third QB for consideration DJU@CU is kind of a mystery - could be great to meh.
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I said TB will be a top 10 QB 2022. I stand by that.
Yes, DC’s will game plan for him as the season goes on. However, OSU will also have the whole off-season to game plan for TB.
We all agree, playing in the horse shoe will tell us a lot about TB. So yes, after week 1 TB will show you what he is all about.
well, simply any ten starters….if you can, you spend way too much time on CF!
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Well, if freshman stats don’t matter, then certainly junior year in high school stats don’t matter.
you can’t have it both ways !
Bama, Ohio State, Miami and UGA dont need an elite QB to win.
But Notre Dame does....
