It never ceases to amaze how you know "facts" about these situations when nobody else knows them as facts.
Cgvr, should Coach Kelly be fired?
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It never ceases to amaze how you know "facts" about these situations when nobody else knows them as facts.
As I said, it's been a while, but I seem to remember that the police knew who it was, because they made a point of saying at one of the press conferences that, after investigating it, they chose not to charge that student with any crime.
It was fairly widely reported what Shembo was all edged to have done. He tried to get to first base, he was rebuffed and it ended except that the young girl was very troubled and later took her own life. Only haters think the two incidents were related. It's much like assholes calling Kelly a murderer relative to the Declan Sullivan case. Haters like cgvr and Mo1e are just going to hate.
First off, there were 2 people that know what happened and you are not one of them. If you saw recent court rulings you'd know that this was far from over.
You kind of screwed that up, but, nevertheless, how does any of that make it a FACT that Shembo touched this girl inappropriately? Of course, since you know "facts" about the Jameis Winston case that nobody else knows, it only stands to reason you would know the same about Shembo.
There's a lot to the Shembo/Seeberg story but one aspect of the story that gets overlooked and might help explain why there may have been a delay in the investigation is the apparent fact that Seeberg never indicated whether or not she wanted to press charges. This SBT article make's this assertion:
http://articles.southbendtribune.co...y-seeberg-tom-seeberg-elizabeth-lizzy-seeberg
This is the paragraph that makes this clear:
http://articles.southbendtribune.co...y-seeberg-tom-seeberg-elizabeth-lizzy-seeberg
This is the paragraph that makes this clear:
Notre Dame traditionally forwards the results of campus sexual assault investigations to the prosecutor's office only if the victim states he or she wants to pursue criminal charges and is willing to testify. In this case, Seeberg apparently hadn't made a decision about that before her death.
Despite this policy ND forwarded the case to the prosecutor's office anyway (I'm sure the unique circumstances surrounding Seeberg's suicide was a strong factor in the decision) and, as we all know, after examining the evidence the prosecutor stated he would not file charges
Well, if a text was sent as a warning, I would have encouraged the university to punish that student football player or not.
What has gone on in the court system recently that has any relation to the Shembo/Seeburg situation? And what would make it not "over"? I think it's been over for about six years.
I have no idea what the university did behind the scenes. As you probably know they tend to be pretty quiet about that stuff. But at the time there was at least a discussion that the text may have constituted a crime. After investigating the police determined it did not.
The state isn't going to file charges in cases they don't feel they can win. Considering the claimant and the only witness were deceased winning beyond a reasonable doubt appeared highly unlikely. That's why no charges were filed.
This case is more about how ND handled the investigation (or didn't).
The facts about the texts have been documented and were explored by both the prosecutor and the university. The specific text in question is the one where Shembo's friend says, "messing with notre dame football is a bad idea." Maybe Seeberg saw that as a threat, but the actual words used don't directly imply an inherent threat. They don't convey the same message as "you better not mess with Notre Dame football or else." The prosecutor, Dvorak, questioned Shembo's friend and concluded, "The student subjectively believed Ms. Seeberg’s complaint was false and therefore he had a legitimate purpose for his text messages,” and therefore didn't pursue charges.
Your statements have nothing to do with what I posted. I clearly stated that the fact Seeberg didn't indicate whether or not she wanted to press charges may have impacted the investigation. I didn't offer an opinion on why charges weren't filed.
On March 16th it was reported that,
"Court rules for ESPN and against Notre Dame in police records lawsuit".
Investigating the shembo incident is a priority for them.
http://www.southbendtribune.com/new...cle_91394044-eac5-11e5-81a4-4f7a675f0d4f.html
All edged?
HahahahahahahahahahahahahahahHahHahahaha
@cgvr Have you ever seen a person so crazy and so stupid at the same time? This guy is a riot.
Oh, my bad. I thought, "after examining the evidence the prosecution stated he would not file charges" was an opinion.
I just stated why I thought charges weren't filed. At least the main reason.
My apologies.
The full text read, "Don’t do anything you would regret. Messing with Notre Dame football is a bad idea."
You left out, "Don't do anything you would regret."
Investigate away I guess. It's not like this thing hasn't been investigated already. St. Joseph County police got pretty heavily involved if I remember correctly. ESPN may take issue with the timing of the ND Police actions, but it's hard to imagine anything coming out relative to the meat of the issue.
To be a witness, don't you have to be someone other than the claimant? If not, Shembo is just as much a "witness" as she is.
Can you imagine how disgusting it must be to cheer for a team like FSU where you most famous head coach was a cheater, a liar and a pig. Your current head coach is a joke of a human being and the best player you ever produced is a rapist. You all must be proud!
How is winston now at the top of your list of fsu players? You haven't missed an opportunity to say how horrible he is. Despite your tantrums somehow fsu managed to land the # 2 recruiting class and winston was named to the NFL All Rookie team. PS Last I looked we're looking at the very real possibility of 20+ wins being vacated. Also, Buster Posey is off the charts.
That doesn't change anything and the last part, the part I quoted, is what everyone was focused on. Like I said, Seeberg could have interpreted the texts as a threat, and I'm not suggesting she would have been unreasonable to do so, but there was no direct threat based on the words that were used and an unbiased person would have to conclude that the texts could have also been interpreted in a different, less ominous way. If I tell you, "Don't eat all that sugar, it will be bad for you," did I threaten you? Or did I give you cautious advice for your own good?
Has anyone said anything further about that since the summer of 2014? That seems to have died off. I don't think the NCAA is even investigating the frozen five situation.
I still wonder if it was a violation of student rules even if not reaching level of a crime. Possibly unrevealed penalty for privacy reasons.
Not sure why any sane person would inject their opinion about another team when the thread had nothing to do with it and the team in question wasn't brought up by anyone else. Operative word being sane.
That said, there are hundreds of thousands of fans who would disagree with you (on every point). And that includes ND fans as well.
I hope this is your April fools joke. Jenkins has already volunteered to vacate wins if needed. The question is, how many? The NCAA moves slow as molasses and we are in their cross hairs....co-operating,
but in their cross-hairs.
Really? Because he was number 1 at some point in November is an accomplishment? Kelly managed the same thing in 2012. Looking at the schedule for that year we see:
They went 10-3 yes. But they had exactly 1 top 25 win and that was at home to Auburn. And lost to G Tech in the post season. Pretty embarassingly if I might add. Here is the list if you want to look at it. If you are considering this 'successful' then Kelly is your guy
Break with numbers for Miss St. 2014
http://www.uhnd.com/football/brown-jon-gruden-notre-dame-5745/
excerpts:
"Brown Wants Jon Gruden at Notre Dame"
“Absolutely,” Brown’s answered when ESPN radio hosts Waddle and Silvy asked if he felt Gruden was the best candidate to replace Charlie Weis. “I spent a lot of time with him not just with x’s and o’s but in personal time talking to him about how he feels about certain things. I think his willingness to motivate young players – motivate players period – is something that I believe is the key ingredient missing from the Notre Dame coaching for the last 15 years or so.”
Brown thinks at least one of those, however, would not be an issue for his old coach. “I think if a guy like that would come, recruiting would be a joke because if Little Chucky walks into your living room , it’s going to be very difficult for you to tell him no.”
Brown also thinks that “Little Chucky” would realistically be interested in returning to the place where his father coached under Dan Devine. “He has some ties to Notre Dame. His dad coached there. He had a couple years growing up in South Bend. From what he tells me, his room was the Notre Dame campus. The Golden Dome and the stadium and everything was painted on his walls so it’s in him that’s for sure,” Brown said. “It’s just a matter of whether or not he’d be willing to go back and do that grunt work that he would have to do to make that happen.”
Brown even went so far as to say that should Notre Dame look at Gruden, he would want to be a part of a potential Jon Gruden staff in some capacity. “If he takes the job, you can bet that in some kind of way I’m going to be on that staff.,” he said. “It may not be as the receivers coach, but you can bet there’s no way Jon Gruden is going to go back to Notre Dame without having Tim Brown and Rocket and everyone else be a part of what he’s trying to accomplish.”
I very seriously doubt that ND's administration would hire somebody who was featured in commercials for Hooters.
