Splitting hairs, but he was #3 in the Coaches and 4 in the AP.... Great year.... sad ending with the Manti backdrop.....
Brian Kelly
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Be careful with the math, Holtz coached from 1986-1996 and all of his "regular/pre bowl" seasons were 11 games except for 1989 and 1991 where we scheduled 12 games those years.....
The va game was what?
The end of the ga tech game was what?
The umass game at 21-20 until the final plays of the half was what?
The Navy game at 21-21 in the closing seconds of the first half was what?
We are lucky Reynolds went down...
The clemson coaching math blunder was what?
Lastly, a third string ND quarterback destroyed Texas for the National Championship.....which is ND football's benchmark.....
You are as vulgar and dumb as the purple gnome.....
Since your are using GT
GT is an 8-5 avg. going to two major bowls (1-1)
ND is an 9 -4 avg. going to one major bowl (0 - 1)
The 2012 team was not a flash in the pan, nor is this season team the difference is this seasons team has an offense.
Interesting you keep comparing coach Kelly to coach Holtz.
Aside from the NC team and the way the media/coaches screwed ND out of at least 1 more coach Holtz went to 6 major Bowls (3 - 3). If you want to count the Cotton as a major bowl then 9 (6 - 3)
You might want to find a different coach to try to make your point
Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
avy. What are you expecting glowing reviews for beating navy? Even Bob Davie and Ty Willingham could beat navy. I was his big supporter when he was hired and still am to lesser degree but he certainly has performed below expectations so far.
He is averaging 9 wins a season which is an upgrade from what we had but still short of where we should be.
One 12-1 Season (Just 1 BCS type bowl) - got blown out by Bama
We had three 8-5 seasons
We had One 9-4 Season
He was 2-3 against really bad Michigan teams
2-3 against Stanford (average Stanford)
3-2 against average USC (not Pete Carroll Led USC) Both times we beat them they had backup QB playing.
So these numbers don't scream out that he has done great coaching job. But compare to previous two coaches he has done much better. I would say he is a good coach not a great coach so far. Bo Peilini @ Nebraska was also winning 9 games per season and he was let go (which was a mistake obviously).
ND should keep kelly until someone better is willing to take the job.[/QUOTE]
Why are you so upset after ND gets a decisive victory over a very good Navy team (on a 8 game winning streak before we beat them) and calling for a head coach change? Even Holtz teams struggled with Navy teams at
Purse, you are constantly attacking Irish fans and cry when they attack you back, You are a hypocrite. And you, Purse, are a RAT !! You used to cry to wax all the time to get fans banned for having a different opinion than yourself. IrishGranduer is a good and respectful poster. He also likes the Irish. You are just a pompous Rat !!
He is averaging 9 wins a season which is an upgrade from what we had but still short of where we should be.
One 12-1 Season (Just 1 BCS type bowl) - got blown out by Bama
We had three 8-5 seasons
We had One 9-4 Season
He was 2-3 against really bad Michigan teams
2-3 against Stanford (average Stanford)
3-2 against average USC (not Pete Carroll Led USC) Both times we beat them they had backup QB playing.
So these numbers don't scream out that he has done great coaching job. But compare to previous two coaches he has done much better. I would say he is a good coach not a great coach so far. Bo Peilini @ Nebraska was also winning 9 games per season and he was let go (which was a mistake obviously).
ND should keep kelly until someone better is willing to take the job.[/QUOTE]
Why are you so upset after ND gets a decisive victory over a very good Navy team (on a 8 game winning streak before we beat them) and calling for a head coach change? Even Holtz teams struggled with Navy teams at
Purse, you are constantly attacking Irish fans and cry when they attack you back, You are a hypocrite. And you, Purse, are a RAT !! You used to cry to wax all the time to get fans banned for having a different opinion than yourself. IrishGranduer is a good and respectful poster. He also likes the Irish. You are just a pompous Rat !!
Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
DIP, Coach Kelly is a good coach. But I agree, he is no Lou Holtz. Hopefully ND can win out this year and have a great recruiting class and average ten wins or more for the rest of his time here.
I really think Coach Kelly can be a great coach here but until he wins a National Championship he is not great.
I am first and foremost a fan of the IRISH. I wish Coach Kelly to succeed so Nd will succeed.
He is nowhere near Coach Holtz right now. I agree with you.
winning 9 games a year qualifies now as a great job? Like I stated before he is an upgrade over two previous coaches but he has yet to prove that he is a great coach. He is a good 9 win coach like Bo Pilini at Nebraska so far. He has a good enough track record to become a great coach but as of today you can't label him as such. If he is great with 0 titles and just 1 10 win season in his 5 years then what is Saban w/ 7 straight 10+ win seasons and 3 titles? a Supremo?
This guy Pazuzu is a complete freaking tool, probably a Michigan fan, and some of the others bashing Kelly have no freaking clue what they are talking about. It seems like many live in this 1960's bubble when we were a true powerhouse and could get the best athletes and top coaches. They don't want to admit we aren't the same program and ignore the fact we have won 1 NC in the last 35 years.
The truth is that many coaches turned down the job because they knew it would be too "difficult" and those coaches are chumps! Saban, one of those coaches, to me is the best coach in college and I do think he would be better at ND than Kelly. He is someone like Hotlz that can adjust his teams play to the players he has around him, Kelly doesn't do that. That being said I am not sure Saban would win a NC at this school either. The restrictions we have are so different than places like Bama, Ohio St, LSU, etc... where you can recruit kids who can barely read and nobody cares as long as you are winning.
Hey I like Kelly and think he has done a good job rebuilding this program from those terrible years under guys like Davie, Weis, etc. and that wasn't very long ago. I remember when Holtz was "only" winning 9 games a season and people wanted him gone as well, it is a stupid circle that isn't positive. There is nothing wrong with winning 9-10 games a year at ND these days and having some hope of getting to a big bowl game or possible playoff.
If Kelly can ever get a solid QB, I mean a kid that is talented and fits his system, this team will be able to win 10+ games. Kizer is doing good for his first season but he is still very raw and was a third string player forced into the starting position. In addition injuries, suspensions, and transfers have hurt our program a lot the past 3 seasons. I don't know many coaches who would be able to lose their top 2 QB's, top 2 RB's, top DE, and top DB recruit, before the season started (Malik of course was second game but just as close) and still have a shot at winning 10 games, especially with our schedule.
Weis enlightened us that at ND '9 wins will get you fired'. It goes w/o saying 6 wins will be far more effective in that regards.
Lou's first 5.5 years were better. But Kelly's is only half way through writing his story and his teams are getting better and more talented. I believe the best is yet to come.
I'm comparing him to Lou Holtz because tLou was the last successful ND Football Coach. I can't compare him to a bunch of other guys who never saw year 6. Coaching at ND is unique and compares to nothing else.
I'm comparing him to Lou Holtz because tLou was the last successful ND Football Coach. I can't compare him to a bunch of other guys who never saw year 6. Coaching at ND is unique and compares to nothing else.
Charlie Weis wasn't fired because he won 9. He was given a contact extension for winning 9 and "almost not losing to USC". He was fired because he won 3, 7 and 6 in successive years.
