Brian Kelly

[perseverare]

melstew:

as things have shown - the initial few exchanges pretty much have had the points proven by subsequent posts and posters! on both sides of the aisle!

 

[Classic Irish]

This was the second week in a row the team was not prepared to play. Questionable play calling from the start during the first half and the defense schemes seemed out of sync. There is considerable talent on this team. Very impressive offensive players. Clemson has been the only quality team played so far - 8-4 always a possibility, but think unlikely. (Would enjoy watching what Holtz could have done with this offensive group) Think "average" pretty much describes the HC (didn't have my Kelly Kool-Aide today).

No surprise that you chime in on this thread. Your masquerade as an ND fan on this board has been called out by many others here. So we can keep track, care to tell us which other screen names you regularly use on this board?

 

[floridairish]

The previous coach went 13-21 his last 3 years.8,8,12,9,8 and 5-1 right now seems pretty dame impressive to me after watching the Davie, O'Leary, Willingham and Weis puppet show

Lou had 55 wins 71 games into his career. Kelly has 50 wins. So i guess Lou was just a 9-3 coach? I'd compare Davie, O'Leary,Willingham and,Charlie after 71 games. But they were all fired.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Sans Stanford what have these teams done in the last 5 seasons?

Well GT, and Stanford have won majors Bowl in that time span Quest j

 

[Quest4Twelve]

Well GT, and Stanford have won majors Bowl in that time span Quest j

Dead, GT is a flash in a pan and I did say sans Stanford.

 

[kellyirish35]

So fire the coach because ND lost to Alabama, in the GD championship game. This board is full of arm chair no-it-alls, who really don't know s**t. Kelly is an elite coach, and we are damn glad to have him. You think we lost the Natty because of coaching? you think we lost to Clemson because of coaching ... you are delusional. Better still, send your resume to Jack and apply for the job.

Die Hard

Spot on

Arm chair know it alls is code for people who have never played a sport at a high level or played a sport at all ( cyo 5-6 grade basketball doesn't count) . i have noticed the tone of the kelly bashers gets infantile as soon as they are challenged for their delusional opinions .

Nerds who have never played a sport at a high level think coaching trumps talent

Notice too that the nerds never take into consideration finite circumstances when making their infantile judgement calls -- an example would be last years NW game nerds will condemn Kelly for going for a two point conversion ( see clemson ) Not being athletes they over look the mistakes made by our players that has nothing to do with the coaches see Cam McDaniels fumble

Blaming a coach for a fumble would be like blaming a coach for a missed foul shot .

One thing I always take into consideration is - is the team competitive and do they win the majority of their games w a full compliment of players ? I don't judge a coach negatively for going 9-3 and give a coach 5 stars for going 12-0 .

People bashing Kelly use the mistakes made by the players against him after a loss and construe some nonsense in their mind that the mistakes ( mostly turnovers or penalties ) could have been avoided had kelly had a crystal ball and foreseen the fumble coming .It's positively sickening and pathetic -- yes purse - turnover - cvgr - pazuzu you are sickening human beings truly, you along with a handful of others try to destroy the spirit of following the program . You have and will continue to fail at that as you we will continue to fail at life - for you all have to be really miserable in your own lives to be so inherently negative and pathetically boorish .

Go Irish !!

Beat USC !!

 

[perseverare]

and was 2012 similar to the GT 'flash in the pan' ? using your thought process

 

[floridairish]

GTech did win a Major Bowl but they were 7-7, 7-6 the two years before. And 2-4 this year.

One good year and going 16-17 over 2.5 years does not work at ND.

 

[deadirishpoet]

GTech did win a Major Bowl but they were 7-7, 7-6 the two years before. And 2-4 this year.

One good year and going 16-17 over 2.5 years does not work at ND.

That was not the question though

 

[kellyirish35]

Well GT, and Stanford have won majors Bowl in that time span Quest j[/QUOT

Well GT, and Stanford have won majors Bowl in that time span Quest j

Has Stanford or GT ever had an undefeated regular season and played for a national championship " in that time span " ?

Has harbaugh or shaw or johnson ever had an undefeated reg season ? Kelly has had two

Has Johnson - Shaw - Harbaugh ever won TWO coach of the year awards " in that time span " ?
2014 Gary Patterson TCU
2013 Gus Malzahn Auburn
2012 Brian Kelly Notre Dame
2011 Les Miles LSU
2010 Gene Chizik Auburn
2009 Brian Kelly Cincinnati

So DIP I see you still have a hard on for Kelly - so when brian kelly wins a bcs bowl game we will know he gets your good housekeeping seal of approval .

 

[deadirishpoet]

GTech did win a Major Bowl but they were 7-7, 7-6 the two years before. And 2-4 this year.

One good year and going 16-17 over 2.5 years does not work at ND.

You've also forgot to mention the 10 - 3 9 - 4 season

 

[Birks31]

No surprise that you chime in on this thread. Your masquerade as an ND fan on this board has been called out by many others here. So we can keep track, care to tell us which other screen names you regularly use on this board?

Never mind that. Argue his points or don't. This isn't your personal attack board. Make a coherent argument and stopp launching your ad hoc personal attacks. Nobody is impressed and nobody is going away because you call them names.

Got a point related to Notre Dame Football???? Then MAKE it.

 

[cgvr]

For those of you on this board that put BK down (ToM, Perse, etc.), I have one question: do you know why BK makes $3,000,000 a year?
Of course you do not know. Let me explain, he makes that kind of money because coaching football at this level is f#%@ing hard. Statues of great coaches adorn the gates of ND stadium - never will there be a statue erected for a critic such as yourself. Keep acting as if you are smarter/better/more wise than BK - you are nothing more than a farce whose ego has run amok.

I'm curious, where are you getting that number from?

Here's a list from USA today that ranks coaches salaries.....

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

 

[Birks31]

Die Hard

Spot on

Arm chair know it alls is code for people who have never played a sport at a high level or played a sport at all ( cyo 5-6 grade basketball doesn't count) . i have noticed the tone of the kelly bashers gets infantile as soon as they are challenged for their delusional opinions .

Nerds who have never played a sport at a high level think coaching trumps talent

Notice too that the nerds never take into consideration finite circumstances when making their infantile judgement calls -- an example would be last years NW game nerds will condemn Kelly for going for a two point conversion ( see clemson ) Not being athletes they over look the mistakes made by our players that has nothing to do with the coaches see Cam McDaniels fumble

Blaming a coach for a fumble would be like blaming a coach for a missed foul shot .

One thing I always take into consideration is - is the team competitive and do they win the majority of their games w a full compliment of players ? I don't judge a coach negatively for going 9-3 and give a coach 5 stars for going 12-0 .

People bashing Kelly use the mistakes made by the players against him after a loss and construe some nonsense in their mind that the mistakes ( mostly turnovers or penalties ) could have been avoided had kelly had a crystal ball and foreseen the fumble coming .It's positively sickening and pathetic -- yes purse - turnover - cvgr - pazuzu you are sickening human beings truly, you along with a handful of others try to destroy the spirit of following the program . You have and will continue to fail at that as you we will continue to fail at life - for you all have to be really miserable in your own lives to be so inherently negative and pathetically boorish .

Go Irish !!

Beat USC !!

This is complete nonsense. Anyone who isn't down for 4 loss seasons isn't a real athlete??? I'll match my athletic background against anyones anytime and I'm not happy with what I see on the field week after week. You say you don't judge a coach for going 9-3.

That's crazy. What if you've got 12 win talent??????? Kelly is ALWAYS worth at least one unnecessary loss each year due to his stupid playcalling, and bad strategy. His teams show up flat and step on their cranks. The only way a Kelly coached Notre Dame team is going to win 13 games in a row is if you lengthen the season to twenty games.

So if you're happy buying your niece a pink ND football girl shirt and sitting in stadium traffic after another bonehead decision leads to defeat, then I guess you're thrilled. But Let me tell you, not everyone is satisfied with that, not everyone accepts that we can't get better coaching....and that includes a lot of ex-players.

 

[kellyirish35]

The previous coach went 13-21 his last 3 years.8,8,12,9,8 and 5-1 right now seems pretty dame impressive to me after watching the Davie, O'Leary, Willingham and Weis puppet show

Lou had 55 wins 71 games into his career. Kelly has 50 wins. So i guess Lou was just a 9-3 coach? I'd compare Davie, O'Leary,Willingham and,Charlie after 71 games. But they were all fired.

Holtz inherited an NFL QB when he took the job @ ND Buerlien - Also Holtz never lost his starting QB in his first six years for a season due to academics ( Golson )

IMO if Golson plays in 2013 we win 10 + games and if we don't lose half the defense last yr to injury we win 10+ games . IMO we win ten + this season as well ( if the team stays relatively healthy )

BTW arguing that Brian Kelly is not a a big time college football coach is laughable and is froth with delusional thinking - for the detractors
2014 Gary Patterson TCU
2013 Gus Malzahn Auburn
2012 Brian Kelly Notre Dame
2011 Les Miles LSU
2010 Gene Chizik Auburn
2009 Brian Kelly Cincinnati

Fl Irish -- what you have to understand is
DIP - Purse 24 K - Turnover arguing the merits of Brian Kelly is as close to competing in sports as they will ever get .

These nitwits are to Notre Dame Football what Fox News is to news journalism -- pure shit

 

[deadirishpoet]

Holtz inherited an NFL QB when he took the job @ ND Buerlien - Also Holtz never lost his starting QB in his first six years for a season due to academics ( Golson )

IMO if Golson plays in 2013 we win 10 + games and if we don't lose half the defense last yr to injury we win 10+ games . IMO we win ten + this season as well ( if the team stays relatively healthy )

BTW arguing that Brian Kelly is not a a big time college football coach is laughable and is froth with delusional thinking - for the detractors
2014 Gary Patterson TCU
2013 Gus Malzahn Auburn
2012 Brian Kelly Notre Dame
2011 Les Miles LSU
2010 Gene Chizik Auburn
2009 Brian Kelly Cincinnati

Coach Holtz never lost his QB running the option hummmm?


Big time is a broad term btw

 

[perseverare]

birks
your argument looses meaning when youtake the same approach as those you are contending with.
Less passion and more objective reasoning gets the job done; keep your head when all those about you are losing theirs!

 

[floridairish]

And I forgot to mention a 6-7. He's 60-39 at Tech. 7.5 years he wins 8 games on average. Brian Kelly is 50-21 and wins 9 games per year on average. Lou Holtz was 100-30 in 11 years and won an average of 9. It is what is is.

 

[Irish Grandeur]

I'm curious, where are you getting that number from?

Here's a list from USA today that ranks coaches salaries.....

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

Thank you for pointing that out, cgvr! I thought he made more from ND than that and threw in an arbitrary million for marketing deals. I feel it's sad that he is that far down the list in pay - his resume is in the top 10 in almost every statistical category of active coaches. Maybe when Weis comes off the books then ND can give him a hefty raise

 

[napy2121]

This is complete nonsense. Anyone who isn't down for 4 loss seasons isn't a real athlete??? I'll match my athletic background against anyones anytime and I'm not happy with what I see on the field week after week. You say you don't judge a coach for going 9-3.

That's crazy. What if you've got 12 win talent??????? Kelly is ALWAYS worth at least one unnecessary loss each year due to his stupid playcalling, and bad strategy. His teams show up flat and step on their cranks. The only way a Kelly coached Notre Dame team is going to win 13 games in a row is if you lengthen the season to twenty games.

So if you're happy buying your niece a pink ND football girl shirt and sitting in stadium traffic after another bonehead decision leads to defeat, then I guess you're thrilled. But Let me tell you, not everyone is satisfied with that, not everyone accepts that we can't get better coaching....and that includes a lot of ex-players.

Like former weiss players that bk had to get rid off to clean out the real losers? I mean you really can't cite a source so we can't get to how credible you are but you'll just say "trust me I know guys." Ok whatever. The fact of the matter is he's the best coach at nd since holtz. He's lost a few games he shouldn't have and he can be stubborn with play calling. The bottom line on what he's done at nd after two decades of poor play remains. And, there isn't a harbaugh type nd alum out there you can suggest that would be better than bk immediately. That's the best part of this, guys that want a coach gone at 5-1 and after the best 5 years of nd football in two decades, have no realistic replacement options. Nothing but fairy tale guys. So why don't you pipe down.

 

[Dbldomr]

If it's truly elite, the status of the program, why can't Kelly get that signature win? Or is the 2012 Oklahoma game, it? Harbore already has scUM at a higher level in year one than ND. Kelly is still searching for answers in year six. It's frustrating that some don't see the light. No one is willing to save this program. Most are in denial and think 8-4 is great.

When will you go away. You remind me of this old cranky fart at the office that no one wants to be around. You may even agree with some of the venom he spews but he is such an ass that you find yourself just feeling dirty being around him. Wish your handle was turnover and go away.

 

[kellyirish35]

If Paul Johnson - Jim Harbaugh - Lou Holtz and Brian Kelly were to sit in a room together and read this thread they would all be laughing their collective asses off .

A basketball coach at a high level div 1 program once told me " we all know how to coach " it's who has the better talent that makes the difference .

It's frustrating for me that we lost Golson in 2013 and had all the injuries last yr and this yr . As an ND fan I can't remember being snake bit like this in a three yr time span .
I think it safe to say the ND resume looks a lot different the last three years if Golson situation had been a bit different . With all that and Zaire's injury we are still one play away from being 6-0 ....pretty good really kudos to the coaching staff and players .

 

[Irishjohn68]

Tell ya what, smart guy. What are you willing to bet? Contact the board ops and ask them to confirm or deny whether my first and last name are or are not on a South Quad building. You can use this post to prove you have my permission. You see, you are nothing but a bully trying to shout down dissenting opinions rather than formulating a convincing argument for your own.

You say I'm obviously a liar and a coward. I'm giving you a golden opportunity to prove it. So put up or shut up. Then if you want to actually discuss why Kelly is a mediocre coach (at best), stop at my tailgater and let me know.

And my name is one the John Hancock building.

 

[kellyirish35]

birks
your argument looses meaning when youtake the same approach as those you are contending with.
Less passion and more objective reasoning gets the job done; keep your head when all those about you are losing theirs!

you are a repugnant repulsive condescending patronizing schmuck -- and by the way you indite yourself as uneducated when you misspell a simple word like loses -- you miserable loser

 

[floridairish]

Since this ND Football team is deeper and more talented than the 2012 team and is sitting 5-1 and Nationally ranked. Not a flash in the pan. ND Is a for real power.

Since Gtech was barely .500 the two years before the Orange,Bowl and they stink to high heaven this year. That qualifies as a flash in the pan..

 

[kellyirish35]

Since this ND Football team is deeper and more talented than the 2012 team and is sitting 5-1 and Nationally ranked. Not a flash in the pan. ND Is a for real power.

Since Gtech was barely .500 the two years before the Orange,Bowl and they stink to high heaven this year. That qualifies as a flash in the pan..

In the eyes of big timers like purse - DIP - and the band of rabble your only nationally ranked if your in the top 5

Top 15 doesnt count -- those other ten teams are losers - frauds pure rabble

 

[cgvr]

Thank you for pointing that out, cgvr! I thought he made more from ND than that and threw in an arbitrary million for marketing deals. I feel it's sad that he is that far down the list in pay - his resume is in the top 10 in almost every statistical category of active coaches. Maybe when Weis comes off the books then ND can give him a hefty raise

Yeah, I'm not sure what other deals he has going. He probably gets decent money for guest speaking. I'm guessing he also gets something from Under Armour.... Interestingly, if you go on the USPTO while at ND he trademarked "Next Man In" for merchandising, but let the mark lapse.

PS Most people don't realize that the reason weis contract was so large was because of his daily meal allowance.

 

[cgvr]

The previous coach went 13-21 his last 3 years.8,8,12,9,8 and 5-1 right now seems pretty dame impressive to me after watching the Davie, O'Leary, Willingham and Weis puppet show

Lou had 55 wins 71 games into his career. Kelly has 50 wins. So i guess Lou was just a 9-3 coach? I'd compare Davie, O'Leary,Willingham and,Charlie after 71 games. But they were all fired.

Would you care to share the record of what weis inherited? I believe willingham was 5-7 and 6-6.

weis also was in BCS games twice in 5 years. He may be among the worst CFB coaches in the sport's history.... and still had a shot at NC game consideration if not for the "bush push".

If anything weis proved we could get the horses to compete at the national level.

If you look at the wealth of Jr/Sr talent in '12 you'll see that weis left ND with a ton of talent (6 AA's in 2012).

(I'm not sure which 2010 FR recruits to attribute to Weis' efforts)

Below is a link to the roster which kelly coached up....

PS Interestingly, Harbaugh inherited a 1-11 Stanford team and in year 4 of his build went 12-1 with an Orange Bowl win.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Notre_Dame_Fighting_Irish_football_team

 

[cgvr]

If Paul Johnson - Jim Harbaugh - Lou Holtz and Brian Kelly were to sit in a room together and read this thread they would all be laughing their collective asses off .

A basketball coach at a high level div 1 program once told me " we all know how to coach " it's who has the better talent that makes the difference .

It's frustrating for me that we lost Golson in 2013 and had all the injuries last yr and this yr . As an ND fan I can't remember being snake bit like this in a three yr time span .
I think it safe to say the ND resume looks a lot different the last three years if Golson situation had been a bit different . With all that and Zaire's injury we are still one play away from being 6-0 ....pretty good really kudos to the coaching staff and players .

"A basketball coach at a high level div 1 program once told me " we all know how to coach " it's who has the better talent that makes the difference ." Huh??

That guy doesn't sound so bright.

I doubt Hoke is taking the 49ers to three consecutive NFC championship games....

I'd scratch that numskull off your list of sources....

PS Teams with less talent win all the time esp when they play fundamentally sound team ball.

 

[cgvr]

Die Hard

Spot on

Arm chair know it alls is code for people who have never played a sport at a high level or played a sport at all ( cyo 5-6 grade basketball doesn't count) . i have noticed the tone of the kelly bashers gets infantile as soon as they are challenged for their delusional opinions .

Nerds who have never played a sport at a high level think coaching trumps talent

Notice too that the nerds never take into consideration finite circumstances when making their infantile judgement calls -- an example would be last years NW game nerds will condemn Kelly for going for a two point conversion ( see clemson ) Not being athletes they over look the mistakes made by our players that has nothing to do with the coaches see Cam McDaniels fumble

Blaming a coach for a fumble would be like blaming a coach for a missed foul shot .

One thing I always take into consideration is - is the team competitive and do they win the majority of their games w a full compliment of players ? I don't judge a coach negatively for going 9-3 and give a coach 5 stars for going 12-0 .

People bashing Kelly use the mistakes made by the players against him after a loss and construe some nonsense in their mind that the mistakes ( mostly turnovers or penalties ) could have been avoided had kelly had a crystal ball and foreseen the fumble coming .It's positively sickening and pathetic -- yes purse - turnover - cvgr - pazuzu you are sickening human beings truly, you along with a handful of others try to destroy the spirit of following the program . You have and will continue to fail at that as you we will continue to fail at life - for you all have to be really miserable in your own lives to be so inherently negative and pathetically boorish .

Go Irish !!

Beat USC !!

Would you care to comment on the members of the selection committee that never played or coached football?

Start with Condeleeza Rice and work down. I believe there are 2 others....

Have fun with that.... The purple one needs a calculator and a muzzle.

Kelly Zero BCS/major bowl wins. That's his record.

It's twits like you that think you are defending ND when the reality is you're accepting mediocrity.

Yesterday's win over Navy was tenuous until Reynolds got hurt..... That was some opening drive!

Would you care to share the last 2 times Navy ended up ranked?

PS I'm hoping we move up a notch or 2 in the polls. I'm guessing um will leapfrog us though....

 

[HDK]

you are a repugnant repulsive condescending patronizing schmuck -- and by the way you indite yourself as uneducated when you misspell a simple word like loses -- you miserable loser

Speaking of spelling, I think the word you are looking for is spelled: i-n-d-i-c-t.

 

[cgvr]

Speaking of spelling, I think the word you are looking for is spelled: i-n-d-i-c-t.

Factoid: Indite is a word.... and you are correct....

 

[perseverare]

whoa!

this thread is following a W!

 

[Pazuzu]

For those of you on this board that put BK down (ToM, Perse, etc.), I have one question: do you know why BK makes $3,000,000 a year?
Of course you do not know. Let me explain, he makes that kind of money because coaching football at this level is f#%@ing hard. Statues of great coaches adorn the gates of ND stadium - never will there be a statue erected for a critic such as yourself. Keep acting as if you are smarter/better/more wise than BK - you are nothing more than a farce whose ego has run amok.

Does that mean Weis should still be here because he made more than that. Again, stupid logic.

 

[Pazuzu]

Thank you for pointing that out, cgvr! I thought he made more from ND than that and threw in an arbitrary million for marketing deals. I feel it's sad that he is that far down the list in pay - his resume is in the top 10 in almost every statistical category of active coaches. Maybe when Weis comes off the books then ND can give him a hefty raise

Like they gave Weis? I guess because Weis made all that money, he should not have been criticized either because coaches make that kind of money because "coaching at his level is F#cking hard". LOL. Stupid, Stupid, Stupid.

 

[Pazuzu]

Classic,

Pazuzu is just here to stir things up. Pazuzu was the demon that possessed the girl in the Exorcist. Pazuzu was also the demon king of storms in ancient mythology, and when he first started posting someone compared Pazuzu to Hoosierstorm. I don't know if there's any actual correlation to Hoosierstorm, but I do believe this guy is just trying to screw with us. His "apology" not long ago was just a manipulative post which many bought hook line and sinker, and I think its probably because he's feeding into anti-Kelly sentiment.

I don't have a problem with people being critical of Kelly, but I'm sure this guy really is just stirring the pot.

Another Freud

 

[Pazuzu]

Ah, good to know. The Exorcist---I knew that name sounded familiar. Yes, I've been critical of Kelly, too. And I never said that he was above reproach. I was at the Clemson game, for instance, and was not happy going for two so early. My point is that if someone is going to call for him to be fired, he's obliged, in my view, to provide the name of a realistic alternative. That's how reality works. As for Birks/Pazuzu: He's on ignore, so I won't have to read his inanity.

Reality king

 

[floridairish]

According to Lou Holtz it's your show for better or worse Year Three. Brian Kelly finished up Year Three 12-1 and ranked #3.

Davie finished Year Three 5-7, Ty finished Year Three 6-6 and Charlie finished Year Three 3-9

Ara finished 9-0-1 Devine 11-1 and,Lou 12-0.

 

[kellyirish35]

Nobody owes you Kelly Lovers a list of replacements. You owe everyone an explanation of why you support mediocre football.

He has been coach of the yr twice in last six years

ND has been to the national championship game

5-1 w a third string QB

2 pt loss to the # 5 team in the country @ Clemson -- would have been a 14 pt win had ND not turned it over

If you really think coach kelly is not doing a great job and is not one of the best coaches in college football that is because you don't know how to evaluate football and due to your tone of posting have some issues - emotional personal issues .

If you are sincere in your belief that coach kelly should be replaced you are by definition a fool . Simply a fool or are suffering from significant daddy or anger issues.

 

[DieHard_Irish]

This is complete nonsense. Anyone who isn't down for 4 loss seasons isn't a real athlete??? I'll match my athletic background against anyones anytime and I'm not happy with what I see on the field week after week. You say you don't judge a coach for going 9-3.

That's crazy. What if you've got 12 win talent??????? Kelly is ALWAYS worth at least one unnecessary loss each year due to his stupid playcalling, and bad strategy. His teams show up flat and step on their cranks. The only way a Kelly coached Notre Dame team is going to win 13 games in a row is if you lengthen the season to twenty games.

So if you're happy buying your niece a pink ND football girl shirt and sitting in stadium traffic after another bonehead decision leads to defeat, then I guess you're thrilled. But Let me tell you, not everyone is satisfied with that, not everyone accepts that we can't get better coaching....and that includes a lot of ex-players.

Like I said, send your impressive coaching resume to Jack. I'm certain you'll get a call. Or go follow another team that has your elite coach