Brando: ND Will Be Full ACC Member in 3 Years

[pmemorial]

http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2016/06/02/tim-brando-nd-full-acc-in-three-years/

FOX Sportscaster Tim Brando told The Aubible podcasttoday that he believes Notre Dame will forgo its independent status in football and become a full-time member of the Atlantic Coast Conference within three years. Brando added that Coach Brian Kelly would prefer the Irish join a conference than remain independent.

“Rights fees continue to move upward,” Brando told FOX’s Bruce Feldman and Stewart Mandel. “I do believe it’s going to happen when Notre Dame understands that it’s in their financial best interests to be in a conference. Because they cannot command the same same dollar from NBC or any other network by simply having seven home games televised.”

Notre Dame is bound by the terms of a 2013 contract to join the ACC if it decides to join a conference in the next nine years.

Brando said he’s had “many conversations – both publicly and privately” with Kelly about Notre Dame’s independent status and said, “I don’t think there’s any doubt he would prefer to be in a conference.”

The sportscaster said Kelly’s opinion won’t spur Notre Dame to action, however.

“The major reason why you do it, fellas, is not because the coach wants it,” said Brando. “It’s because it makes economic sense. It does make economic sense – and will make even more sense – as these continuing rights fees continue to spiral and move upwards. A lot of things about the television business are being compressed, but rights fees are not. They continue to go upwards. And as a group, Notre Dame as an individual institution – maybe a few years ago, a deal like the one they have with NBC was a seminal moment in broadcasting and in sports for a school to have its own network television deal. That’s not true any more. That’s before the SEC was raking in all this cash and before [Big Ten Commissioner] Jim Delaney was able to put a deal together like the one he did with FOX and has a looming second-tier to negotiate. As a conference, you are stronger than any one institution and yes, that does include the great Notre Dame.”

Notre Dame and NBC have a contract through 2025. Although terms were not disclosed, the previous five-year deal, which elapsed last year, was thought to be worth $15 million annually to the university.

That $15 million figure – although it’s assuredly higher now – doesn’t compare favorably to other deals, as outlined by SB Nation:

“Each year, Fox will pay the Big Ten as much as $250 million a season for the 25 games in their half of the Big Ten’s top-level rights. Keep in mind that the Big Ten’s agreement with BTN continues for another fifteen years and is NOT included in this figure. How do these numbers compare to the other “Power Five” conferences?

• ACC: According to the ACC’s tax returns, the ACC earned $197.2 million in 2013-14 for their television rights from ESPN and Raycom.
• Big XII: $203 million annually for the ESPN/ABC/Fox package, which covers all but one football game per school each season. (That game is what the Longhorn Network gets to televise.)
• Pac-12: In 2019, the Pac-12 will receive $250 million to air 45 football games and 68 basketball games.
• SEC: According to the SEC’s tax returns, the conference earned $347 million in 2013-14 for their television rights from CBS and ESPN, which includes the SEC ESPN Network.”

So it Brando right? Or is his prediction headed for @OldTakesExposed? I’m guessing he’s wrong. But we’re see you back here in three years with an update.

 

[NDAFArly]

Brian Kelly doesn't make that decision. So Brando saying Kelly privately wants to means nothing.
Also, as far as money, Brando once again doesn't understand math.
If a 12 team conference that averages 30K students per school makes $300 million that isn't as much as a single school with 8K students that makes $25 million.

 

[Johnnie82]

Listen to the actual podcast here:
http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...sh-join-acc-tim-brando-audible-podcast-060216

Jump ahead to about minute 18:00. Brando starts talking N.D. there

 

[schadenfreude]

Brian Kelly doesn't make that decision. So Brando saying Kelly privately wants to means nothing.
Also, as far as money, Brando once again doesn't understand math.
If a 12 team conference that averages 30K students per school makes $300 million that isn't as much as a single school with 8K students that makes $25 million.

The number of students has nothing to do with media money that goes to the athletic department. Unless you mean the number of teams the AD supports.

ND makes more like $18 million. Much much less than Vandy, Wake Forest, Oregon State or Indiana. But as they say, "freedom isn't free".

 

[NDAFArly]

The number of students has nothing to do with media money that goes to the athletic department. Unless you mean the number of teams the AD supports.

ND makes more like $18 million. Much much less than Vandy, Wake Forest, Oregon State or Indiana. But as they say, "freedom isn't free".

ND has never had a money problem. Two of those schools you mention have had problems with money in their athletic programs just the past five years. (Purdue & Indiana)

There is always a different reason isn't there?

First, ND can't be relevant without a conference. We are very relevant.
Next, ND needs to be in a conference to schedule. We have good schedules.
Next, ND needs to be in a conference to contend for a title. We played for one 3 seasons ago.
Next, ND can't make the CFP without a conference. We were in the initial top four last year.
Now, ND needs a conference for money. Really? ND needs money? News to me?

 

[Nocalirish]

Pure BS. ND will never become Vandy, Northwestern or Duke in football.

 

[IrishBlooded]

I don't know if it is 3 years. But I do think it is a matter of time. I believe between the 2020 and the 2023 seasons the deal will be hammered out.

 

[Bodizephax]

I think it would be a great idea for the Irish to join the ACC. It would build up more excitement for the Irish to have something to shoot for besides a National title. A conference championship game would add a extra Saturday for us Irish fans to watch our beloved Irish !
I think it would make it easier for ND to get a playoff invite also.
As the great guitar hair band of the 70's and 80's REO SPEEDWAGON said--- Roll with the Changes !!

 

[IrishBlooded]

Has anybody read anything new on the Irish television network? I haven't in the last couple of years.

All BS aside. Here is what I think.

The NBC contract, and the ND / ACC agreement, along with the College Football Playoff agreement all come up for renegotiation within a couple of years of one another. I think there could be an honest conversation about NBC and NBC / Sports being the 'ACC' channel. I do really hope they think outside of the box and offer some kind of online streaming service like an ACC sports network online. I think the Longhorn was a poorly executed prototype on this path. ND is known for blazing their own path in broadcast contracts. And I trust Swarbrick to set up the next one.

 

[BigFellaFan]

The Irish in the ACC would be a huge mistake. Good people can all agree on this.

 

[twalsh]

The Irish in the ACC would be a huge mistake. Good people can all agree on this.

What would you know about good people?

 

[Izo]

Great for Notre Dame to join conference for a few extra dollars ? Really ! No way! Even though Kelly may be a fan of joinining a conference ,this is not Kelly's final destination as a coach .

I have posted many times about the Irish brand as being unique . Imagine playing 8 ACC conference games , then playing 2 long time rivals in Navy and USC( best intersectional rivalry in college football).After that we would probably schedule 2 mid-major teams like a Massachusetts , Western Michigan ,etc . Great schedule .

No Michigan, no Oklahoma, no Texas , no Michigan State , no Purdue , no Northwestern , no Tennessee , no Stanford, ,no Georgia or scheduling of other SEC teams . Our ability to have a national schedule gone . The Alabamas, Ohio States , Auburns,etc, usually are perennial top 10 teams .But Notre Dame is still the nationally recognized brand .

 

[BigFellaFan]

I surround myself with good people. I am happy to say there are many good people here and most ND fans have always been very good people and the average good ND fan is not well represented here because the board is full of imposters and ND haters.

It should surprise no one that some of the filth thrown around here sticks, even when it comes from the imposters.

 

[mbd11]

Great for Notre Dame to join conference for a few extra dollars ? Really ! No way! Even though Kelly may be a fan of joinining a conference ,this is not Kelly's final destination as a coach .

I have posted many times about the Irish brand as being unique . Imagine playing 8 ACC conference games , then playing 2 long time rivals in Navy and USC( best intersectional rivalry in college football).After that we would probably schedule 2 mid-major teams like a Massachusetts , Western Michigan ,etc . Great schedule .

No Michigan, no Oklahoma, no Texas , no Michigan State , no Purdue , no Northwestern , no Tennessee , no Stanford, ,no Georgia or scheduling of other SEC teams . Our ability to have a national schedule gone . The Alabamas, Ohio States , Auburns,etc, usually are perennial top 10 teams .But Notre Dame is still the nationally recognized brand .

I think we'd probably schedule one quality opponent and one mid-major of those last 2. Part of the scheduling problem is that we have 2 long-time rivals that we have to keep playing. If we only had one, it would be more doable. Nevertheless, I'm guessing we may join the ACC within 3-5 years. Because the more money we're leaving on the table as time goes by, the greater the chances the administration gives in and joins it. Not to mention the playoff implications.

 

[Duo]

[QUOTE="BigFellaFan, post:

"I surround myself with good people." Here's the list:

Says the estranged father (aka argusman, holy smoke, epicticus, big fella fan, tim terrific, leonidas, 86's, martymight, johnOgaunt and a host of others)

Bwahahahahahhahahahazhah!

 

[BigFellaFan]

Estranged Father? Another great piece of imagination! Would this be one of my daughters who you said went to a hole like FSU! You are so freakin stupid.....

DUO is a prime example of embodying all the attributes I dislike in people such as being ignorant, stupid a liar and worst of all, an FSU fan!

 

[zonairish]

http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2016/06/02/tim-brando-nd-full-acc-in-three-years/

FOX Sportscaster Tim Brando told The Aubible podcasttoday that he believes Notre Dame will forgo its independent status in football and become a full-time member of the Atlantic Coast Conference within three years. Brando added that Coach Brian Kelly would prefer the Irish join a conference than remain independent.

“Rights fees continue to move upward,” Brando told FOX’s Bruce Feldman and Stewart Mandel. “I do believe it’s going to happen when Notre Dame understands that it’s in their financial best interests to be in a conference. Because they cannot command the same same dollar from NBC or any other network by simply having seven home games televised.”

Notre Dame is bound by the terms of a 2013 contract to join the ACC if it decides to join a conference in the next nine years.

Brando said he’s had “many conversations – both publicly and privately” with Kelly about Notre Dame’s independent status and said, “I don’t think there’s any doubt he would prefer to be in a conference.”

The sportscaster said Kelly’s opinion won’t spur Notre Dame to action, however.

“The major reason why you do it, fellas, is not because the coach wants it,” said Brando. “It’s because it makes economic sense. It does make economic sense – and will make even more sense – as these continuing rights fees continue to spiral and move upwards. A lot of things about the television business are being compressed, but rights fees are not. They continue to go upwards. And as a group, Notre Dame as an individual institution – maybe a few years ago, a deal like the one they have with NBC was a seminal moment in broadcasting and in sports for a school to have its own network television deal. That’s not true any more. That’s before the SEC was raking in all this cash and before [Big Ten Commissioner] Jim Delaney was able to put a deal together like the one he did with FOX and has a looming second-tier to negotiate. As a conference, you are stronger than any one institution and yes, that does include the great Notre Dame.”

Notre Dame and NBC have a contract through 2025. Although terms were not disclosed, the previous five-year deal, which elapsed last year, was thought to be worth $15 million annually to the university.

That $15 million figure – although it’s assuredly higher now – doesn’t compare favorably to other deals, as outlined by SB Nation:

“Each year, Fox will pay the Big Ten as much as $250 million a season for the 25 games in their half of the Big Ten’s top-level rights. Keep in mind that the Big Ten’s agreement with BTN continues for another fifteen years and is NOT included in this figure. How do these numbers compare to the other “Power Five” conferences?

• ACC: According to the ACC’s tax returns, the ACC earned $197.2 million in 2013-14 for their television rights from ESPN and Raycom.
• Big XII: $203 million annually for the ESPN/ABC/Fox package, which covers all but one football game per school each season. (That game is what the Longhorn Network gets to televise.)
• Pac-12: In 2019, the Pac-12 will receive $250 million to air 45 football games and 68 basketball games.
• SEC: According to the SEC’s tax returns, the conference earned $347 million in 2013-14 for their television rights from CBS and ESPN, which includes the SEC ESPN Network.”

So it Brando right? Or is his prediction headed for @OldTakesExposed? I’m guessing he’s wrong. But we’re see you back here in three years with an update.

$250 million is a big #. However divide that by 14 teams that comes almost 18 million rounding up. So Notre Dame gets 15 million and the new contract is a bunch more. So if the Irish joined the ACC they would have to divide by 15. So rounding up it is 17 million per school. Then the NBC contract would need to be divided. So I do see a large benefit joining the ACC. I bet neither does Notre Dame

 

[onlyonenow]

ND makes plenty. So those thinking its all about the money ARE STUPID.
Those running things at ND understand something that gomers bleating about joining a conference don't: That ND is unique and there is no price tag on that.
I laugh at the idea that players really think a conference championship is some huge accomplishment or is that important.

We get high quality recruits as it is. With our academic standards and where we are we are NEVER going to get what Alabama and others get. That is reality. Joining a conference means NOTHING.

We would lose our unique status. Right now in college football its ND and then everyone else. As long as our decision makers understand how important that is and how UNIMPORTANT joining a conference is then there will be NO CHANGE.

 

[Nocalirish]

ESPN would happily pay ND any amount they wanted for independent home football games. That is why the ACC hasnt and will never force ND to join the conference.

 

[scotchirishblood]

I surround myself with good people. I am happy to say there are many good people here and most ND fans have always been very good people and the average good ND fan is not well represented here because the board is full of imposters and ND haters.

It should surprise no one that some of the filth thrown around here sticks, even when it comes from the imposters.

Lol! Epic

 

[SiberianKnightmare]

ND isn't worried about money. A few extra dollars won't be enough to move them. ND is also a national brand. They sell a bunch of merchandise all over the country because their games get national coverage nearly every week. ND homes games obviously do on NBC and many of the away games are Saturday night games on ABC. That's how they maintain that national fanbase, which also helps the school attract the best national talent in other sports and academics alone.

The only way ND joins a conference is if they are forced to because of some kind of Super Conference formations.

 

[northvanole]

So here are a few comments from an FSU person. FSU was independent until 1992, but we had no chance of doing what ND was able to accomplish with NBC. But when ND left the CFA in 1990, it became clearer that the networks were only going to do long term deals with conferences. ND was special and maximized its value - but no other independent school could do that and the conferences started signing contracts to impact all its members. And that's how Penn State, Miami, VT, FSU, etc. all gave up on independent status.

No, ND does not need the money. The problem with money however is that it causes other parties to do things, and then collateral damage occurs. The success of the SEC network and the announcement of the Big Ten contract is causing great consternation in the ACC, Big 12 and PAC 12. The market value of FSU in college athletic is much greater than the market value of the average ACC member. And while that is also true for Michigan and the Big Ten, and Bama and the SEC, the difference between FSU and the rest of the ACC is probably much bigger. Does it make sense for Miss State to make $15-$20M more each year than FSU? The ACC shares revenue equally. While some prefer to do it otherwise, it creates a whole new set of issues if it is not shared equally. So that is off the table.

But here is what is unique about the ACC. It currently has no network. Rumor has it that ESPN agreed to pay the ACC $45M a year if it cannot get a contractual obligation by July 1, 2016 to start a network at a future date. That is less than a month away. Rumors are flying everywhere that ESPN is working feverishly to do something that is acceptable. It may be combination of pay digital and a channel - who knows. And those rumors include the involvement of ND. Brando is hearing this. Lots of people are.

But even if that never comes to pass, ND is already on record that it has to be in a conference for all its non football sports. So, let's get back to the money problem. If the ACC never gets a network, and if the B10 and SEC members continue to make significantly more money than Clemson and FSU, will the ACC continue in existence after June 20, 2027 when its ESPN contract (and GOR) expires? And it this reality becomes probable in three years, can the ACC stay intact even then? Where will ND play its non football sports. Without an ACC, the Big Ten won't have to offer the same deal that the ACC did because there is no conference to compete with. Without an ACC, ND goes to the Big Ten in all sports.

The conference leaders are running this sport like never before. This era of the playoff is way different than the BCS era. The Big Ten and PAC 12 want the Rose Bowl to be a permanent playoff spot. They made that clear in 1994 when they refused to join the Bowl Alliance Series. If we get down to 4 conferences - boom - they have us where they want us.

On the other hand, expanding playoff spots makes more money for everybody. And in all this confusion, conference leaders are running the show. ND is very important to college football - that will never change - but what does ND want in this environment and what is the best way to have its voice heard?

Sure, I would love ND to be in the ACC. But I don't want them forced in like all the haters out there. The ACC needs to be rebranded. ND can be part of that. But ND will never rebrand the Big Ten.

Coaches like conferences for many reasons. Just ask your basketball, baseball, golf and lacrosse coaches if they like the ACC.

Anyway - just a few comments. I have no idea where this is going. But there is a lot of buzz out there And the money issues is causing action - and reaction.

 

[Epictitus]

Any increased association with the ACC, which would tie Notre Dame closer to the likes of FSU, and need be avoided at all costs. Honor and reputation still mean something and in this world and you are often judged by the company you keep.

Notre Dame can do far better!

 

[twalsh]

Any increased association with the ACC, which would tie Notre Dame closer to the likes of FSU, and need be avoided at all costs. Honor and reputation still mean something and in this world and you are often judged by the company you keep.

Notre Dame can do far better!

Please stop. Just stop.

 

[scotchirishblood]

Any increased association with the ACC, which would tie Notre Dame closer to the likes of FSU, and need be avoided at all costs. Honor and reputation still mean something and in this world and you are often judged by the company you keep.

Notre Dame can do far better!

Lol. Lunacy

 

[northvanole]

Not sure why my message got that reply regarding "the likes of FSU". But why don't we just keep the conversation going on an objective level. Brando is not the only one throwing out comments regarding ND. If ND needs a conference for all its non football sports, than any significant disruption in the conferences is important. The old Big East is gone. Is it true that the ACC was the only conference in 2012 to strike the part time deal with ND? And if so, what happens if the "money issue" causes the ACC to split up? If the ACC network never gets off the ground, if the money differential becomes problematic, if it becomes clear that ND will not join the ACC full time, ..........anything is possible.

 

[twalsh]

Not sure why my message got that reply regarding "the likes of FSU". But why don't we just keep the conversation going on an objective level. Brando is not the only one throwing out comments regarding ND. If ND needs a conference for all its non football sports, than any significant disruption in the conferences is important. The old Big East is gone. Is it true that the ACC was the only conference in 2012 to strike the part time deal with ND? And if so, what happens if the "money issue" causes the ACC to split up? If the ACC network never gets off the ground, if the money differential becomes problematic, if it becomes clear that ND will not join the ACC full time, ..........anything is possible.

Because the idiot who wrote that post can work an FSU insult into just about any thread on any topic. It's his life's obsession. He's the bane of this board's existence.

 

[NDSMC78]

Because the idiot who wrote that post can work an FSU insult into just about any thread on any topic. It's his life's obsession. He's the bane of this board's existence.

Walsh,


The ignore function is a wonderful thing. I highly recommend it. Now I don't have to deal with the insane rantings of the board dolt.

 

[Epictitus]

Anyone who is decent can work an FSU insult into any situation because there is no more indecent program in the history of sports than FSU football.

 

[northvanole]

Thanks for the clarification. We have similar posters on our board. More than one I am afraid. The relationship between many FSU fans and the ACC is not "rock solid' and the comments can get intense at times. The money differential is very concerning - and unhealthy. It just adds fuel to the fire of discontent.

 

[NDSMC78]

Thanks for the clarification. We have similar posters on our board. More than one I am afraid. The relationship between many FSU fans and the ACC is not "rock solid' and the comments can get intense at times. The money differential is very concerning - and unhealthy. It just adds fuel to the fire of discontent.

I very much doubt that you have any poster similar to the poster at issue. He is singularly deranged, demented and despicable. A truly evil human being, without a single redeeming quality.

 

[Duo]

I very much doubt that you have any poster similar to the poster at issue. He is singularly deranged, demented and despicable. A truly evil human being, without a single redeeming quality.

True!!!

Nothing compares to an insane and obsessed poster with ump-teen handles that talks with himself!

 

[Epictitus]

Nothing compares to morons like Duo, ForeverMole and the late Mole who continue to insinuate that I am of these multiple handles, who slurs one of my daughters with the statement that she would go to FSU and refuses to acknowledge the fact that the FSU administration and coaching staff covered up a rape.

 

[mirer03]

This is a no starter. If the ACC adds Navy as a full time member only then will I believe this has legs.

The ACC network will happen. The question is will it be with the fading ESPN or with Fox.

There is a middle ground here that no one mentions where the ACC adds Navy to get to 16 and then ND signs a full scheduling agreement of 8 games with the ACC. This would allow ND to technically remain independent (but not really), continue to schedule Navy, USC, and Navy, and also have 2 games that rotate annually to accommodate the Texas and Georgia's of the world and continue the shamrock series.

This would also all ND to compete for ACC title to ensure playoff viability.

I do think this will only occur if ND has to adjust to a changing playoff picture or risk being left out.

 

[schadenfreude]

I think an ACC Network would be more like the PAC Network than anything. Although it has some great programs I think that for football in the Southeast, the ACC is forever destined to be looked at as the B league. Basketball is of course a different story but unfortunately for the ACC it is football that drives the bus.

 

[perseverare]

"...coulda been a contender!"

 

[scotchirishblood]

Nothing compares to morons like Duo, ForeverMole and the late Mole who continue to insinuate that I am of these multiple handles, who slurs one of my daughters with the statement that she would go to FSU and refuses to acknowledge the fact that the FSU administration and coaching staff covered up a rape.

Lol. You're a comedy of errors.

De nile is a river. Listen to the people.

 

[Irishjohn68]

Because the idiot who wrote that post can work an FSU insult into just about any thread on any topic. It's his life's obsession. He's the bane of this board's existence.

We need someone to take the trash out.

 

[twalsh]

There is a middle ground here that no one mentions where the ACC adds Navy to get to 16 and then ND signs a full scheduling agreement of 8 games with the ACC. This would allow ND to technically remain independent (but not really), continue to schedule Navy, USC, and Navy, and also have 2 games that rotate annually to accommodate the Texas and Georgia's of the world and continue the shamrock series..

If we are going to play 8 ACC games a season, why miss out on the possibility of playing in the ACCCG and getting a possibly automatic bid because of some crazy fake notion that we'd still be independent under that scenario.

 

[northvanole]

The only information that is "new", is the realization that ESPN might have to say something definitive about the ACC network July 1. ND is already part of the digital ACC network. It's free - you can get it on you tube. But will there be a version that people will pay for? We don't know. But the discussions of this issue is what is driving people like Brando to make comments - that "something is up" and "people are talking". He isn't the only one. We shall see.