BK is a better coach than ND deserves...

[Telx1]

Harpo, you said it yourself....administrative concessions or changes are needed. The Kelly debate as you put it is hardly a debate, as hardly anyone is arguing he deserves to stay. There is widespread consensus that at a minimum he has outlived his usefulness at ND, while some argue he was never useful. Regardless, it is time for a change. But, there are some who argue that getting the right new coach will elevate ND to the next level, and I am of the opinion that ND will not realize its stated goal of making the playoffs without these concessions. I don't agree that admission standards need to be lowered, but I do agree that major changes need to be made in how we treat the student athlete. Java among others has listed several changes that would greatly benefit the next coach in taking ND to the next level, and none are at the expense of the commitment to academic excellence.

 

[EPC FAN]

He is a proven winner everywhere including ND. The CFL coach dude gave a laundry list of things he's improved.

But clearly he's losing it! Lou was putting officials in head locks, Davie whined, Ty just said screw it I'll go golfing (smartest one) and Charlie the Tuna was an insufferable deuche. Now BK is getting into it with anyone and everyone in sight.

I hope he ends up at Texas, LSU or any school that actually walks the talk when it comes to winning.

My goal if I was him would be to bust my butt to try and 4-1 down the stretch. Get ND bowl eligible for the kids and extra practices. Then walk out the door

That's what this Administration and the entiltled portion of the fan base deserve. Bobby Bowden had one bad year at WVU, they burned him in effigy, he turned it around the next season and quit! For a little know school in Tallahassee FL.

I hope the same for BK.

1. Notre Dame has to decide if being good is good enough.
2. Defensive line talent killers come with baggage. Is Notre Dame willing to admit kids with that baggage? The SEC pays for it.
3. Is Notre Dame willing to oversign, then manage it's roster? The SEC does it.
4. Auburn boosters gave Cam Newton's father's church $200K. They won a National Championship. Are Notre Dame's boosters willing to have an SEC type "bagman" system to procure talent?
5. Is rooting for the "laundry" enough, or does it matter who fills that laundry every Saturday in the fall?
I ask because so much of college football cares not one wit how the sausage is made, only that it tastes good. The media gives zero points for doing thing the right way. Is Notre Dame willing to do what it takes to really be in the National Championship conversation?

If you disagree with me, fine. I like the fact that Notre Dame tries to climb to the top, the right way. I just believe doing it that way is like climbing Mt. Everest, when facing the amoral SEC.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

1. Notre Dame has to decide if being good is good enough.
2. Defensive line talent killers come with baggage. Is Notre Dame willing to admit kids with that baggage? The SEC pays for it.
3. Is Notre Dame willing to oversign, then manage it's roster? The SEC does it.
4. Auburn boosters gave Cam Newton's father's church $200K. They won a National Championship. Are Notre Dame's boosters willing to have an SEC type "bagman" system to procure talent?
5. Is rooting for the "laundry" enough, or does it matter who fills that laundry every Saturday in the fall?
I ask because so much of college football cares not one wit how the sausage is made, only that it tastes good. The media gives zero points for doing thing the right way. Is Notre Dame willing to do what it takes to really be in the National Championship conversation?

If you disagree with me, fine. I like the fact that Notre Dame tries to climb to the top, the right way. I just believe doing it that way is like climbing Mt. Everest, when facing the amoral SEC.[/QUOTE

Notre Dame recruits talent at a very high level consistently....year in and year out. What we see is Top 15 recruiting and results that are far removed from that recruiting. RKGs are interchangeable parts to Brian Kelly. If a kid played both sides of the ball in high school he can switch in college too. Look at the number of O linemen playing defense...the number of converted tight ends...etc.. That works at Central Michigan, where the talent level allows it to. but not at Notre Dame. If the product on the field were attributed primarily to recruiting...I would agree with you. But it isn't. Concessions, yes by all means....But the underachievement of the existing players year after year does not support the need for those concessions...it delays them.

 

[AdvanSix]

Let me asked this esteemed board who has held Mark D'Antonio in the highest regard.

He's also 2-5 in his last 7 games dating back to a 38-0 pasting by Bama. Is it time for him to go too?

Before you ask this question you should look at Mark Dantonio's record and particularly his major bowl record over the past 6 yrs and compare that to BK. Not even close to a fair fight.

 

[Bodizephax]

He is a proven winner everywhere including ND. The CFL coach dude gave a laundry list of things he's improved.

But clearly he's losing it! Lou was putting officials in head locks, Davie whined, Ty just said screw it I'll go golfing (smartest one) and Charlie the Tuna was an insufferable deuche. Now BK is getting into it with anyone and everyone in sight.

I hope he ends up at Texas, LSU or any school that actually walks the talk when it comes to winning.

My goal if I was him would be to bust my butt to try and 4-1 down the stretch. Get ND bowl eligible for the kids and extra practices. Then walk out the door

That's what this Administration and the entiltled portion of the fan base deserve. Bobby Bowden had one bad year at WVU, they burned him in effigy, he turned it around the next season and quit! For a little know school in Tallahassee FL.

I hope the same for BK.

You spend to much damn time in the Laundry room !!

 

[Bodizephax]

Then I would pack a lunch and find a comfortable chair because it's been 22 years and 5 Head Coaches.

What kind of excuse is that??!!! You don't quit trying to find a better coach just because of 22 years !! Brian Kelly needs to go !! He is worse than Charlie Weis !

 

[EPC FAN]

Excellent post EPC. Posters around here keep talking out of both sides of their mouths for to long IMHO. You can't shop out of the store and ignore the best stuff.

I didn't post to begin a war among Irish fans. Notre Dame recruits well, but defensive line kids who are really good also happen to be edgy. Lots of JUCO kids onSEC defensive lines. Look at how quickly Ole Miss got real good. They simply don't care who fills the laundry.

 

[cgvr]

Let me asked this esteemed board who has held Mark D'Antonio in the highest regard.

He's also 2-5 in his last 7 games dating back to a 38-0 pasting by Bama. Is it time for him to go too?

You simply have been unable to come to terms with the following facts regarding cfb final rankings and recruiting between ND, Stanford and msu.

Please note the following and tell me where you think Shaw and D'Antonio would have finished with ND's talent....

Read it and weep....

Notre Dame Final AP rankings
2010 NR
2011 NR
2012 4
2013 20
2014 NR
2015 11

MSU Final AP ranking
2010 14
2011 11
2012 NR
2013 3
2014 6
2015 6

Stanford Final AP rankings:
2010 4
2011 7
2012 7
2013 11
2014 NR
2015 3

Rivals recruiting rankings ND ’10-‘16

2010 ND 14
2011 ND 10
2012 ND 20
2013 ND 3
2014 ND 11
2015 ND 11
2016 ND 13

MSU Rivals recruiting rankings

2010 31
2011 32
2012 42
2013 47
2014 22
2015 22
2016 18

Rivals recruiting rankings Stanford ’10-‘15

2010 Stanford 26
2011 Stanford 22
2012 Stanford 5
2013 Stanford 63
2014 Stanford 14
2015 Stanford 18
2016 Stanford 19

There are reasons you are an admitted volunteer HS towel boy... It's wonderful to see your ongoing cowardice in placing people on ignore. You're the guy that took his ball and ran home....

Mr Potato Head stinks and so do you ....both cowards, both liars...

 

[chaseball]

it's pretty sad when the standard at Notre Dame, a program that was feared like current OSU, or Alabama, is now being compared to the likes of a Stanford and MSU team that haven't won anything.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

it's pretty sad when the standard at Notre Dame, a program that was feared like current OSU, or Alabama, is now being compared to the likes of a Stanford and MSU team that haven't won anything.

thats not correct...Stanford and MSU are winning more prestigious bowl games than Notre Dame more frequently too.

 

[end_23]

He is a proven winner everywhere including ND. The CFL coach dude gave a laundry list of things he's improved.

But clearly he's losing it! Lou was putting officials in head locks, Davie whined, Ty just said screw it I'll go golfing (smartest one) and Charlie the Tuna was an insufferable deuche. Now BK is getting into it with anyone and everyone in sight.

I hope he ends up at Texas, LSU or any school that actually walks the talk when it comes to winning.

My goal if I was him would be to bust my butt to try and 4-1 down the stretch. Get ND bowl eligible for the kids and extra practices. Then walk out the door

That's what this Administration and the entiltled portion of the fan base deserve. Bobby Bowden had one bad year at WVU, they burned him in effigy, he turned it around the next season and quit! For a little know school in Tallahassee FL.

I hope the same for BK.

Fitting that the biggest douche on here doesn't know how to spell it correctly lol.

#YoureAwaterboy

 

[end_23]

I am not Pro Kelly I am pro coach. He won 70% of his games at ND before this year.

Since 1994 that's better than anyone else. The program represents itself as being a player on the National Stage and that's a sham.

Kelly beats the likes of Temple, Wake Forest, Rice, WMU, Syracuse, Purdue, and UMass to build up his phony win %. Holtz, Davie, and Ty never got the cupcake teams like Rice, UMass, and Miami (Oh).

CBK has a losing record against the big time ACC teams, Stanford, michigan, and in major bowl games.

Be quiet. He's blown so many games at ND with inept coaching. He's a loser and so are you.

 

[end_23]

You my friend are in the 1% who understands that changing coaches every 5 years does not solve anything. Except maybe over drafting the ND checkbook.

ND has a 10 billion dollar endowment. I guarantee you've never even been on campus.

 

[end_23]

Let me asked this esteemed board who has held Mark D'Antonio in the highest regard.

He's also 2-5 in his last 7 games dating back to a 38-0 pasting by Bama. Is it time for him to go too?

Fools like you don't get it. MD has a Rose Bowl title to his name and a Cotton Bowl win. He's made the F4 too. That's a proven winner allowed to have one bad year. Why are you so thick? Kelly has zero accomplishments @ ND.

 

[Java65]

Harpo, you said it yourself....administrative concessions or changes are needed. The Kelly debate as you put it is hardly a debate, as hardly anyone is arguing he deserves to stay. There is widespread consensus that at a minimum he has outlived his usefulness at ND, while some argue he was never useful. Regardless, it is time for a change. But, there are some who argue that getting the right new coach will elevate ND to the next level, and I am of the opinion that ND will not realize its stated goal of making the playoffs without these concessions. I don't agree that admission standards need to be lowered, but I do agree that major changes need to be made in how we treat the student athlete. Java among others has listed several changes that would greatly benefit the next coach in taking ND to the next level, and none are at the expense of the commitment to academic excellence.

Sadly, I think too many people view it as you are either "Notre Dame" or you are "Bama" and they fail to see the 'in-between"

 

[Java65]

Let me asked this esteemed board who has held Mark D'Antonio in the highest regard.

He's also 2-5 in his last 7 games dating back to a 38-0 pasting by Bama. Is it time for him to go too?

What does his or Kelly's record this year have to do with it? Ok, maybe it has a little to do with it but the reason Kelly needs to go is not because he's 2-5 this year. He needs to go because in 7 years he's had 2 good seasons. In Dantonio's 10 years he's had 6 seasons with 9 or more wins. He's finished in the top 25 6 times and top 10 four times.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

What does his or Kelly's record this year have to do with it? Ok, maybe it has a little to do with it but the reason Kelly needs to go is not because he's 2-5 this year. He needs to go because in 7 years he's had 2 good seasons. In Dantonio's 10 years he's had 6 seasons with 9 or more wins. He's finished in the top 25 6 times and top 10 four times.

what is puzzling is the frequent references to Mark D'Antonio period. He has represented MSU very well, been successful in the B1G and post season...and MSU Nation appears to be satisfied with him. ND is an entirely different situation. We are half-assed in a conference for which we cannot win a title...and we regularly get embarrassed in bowl games. That is most concerning. I don't look forward to bowl invites because the losses are much too frequent. That is not what used to be at Notre Dame....and teams hated our success out of envy. Now they think we are spoiled, pampered uniforms and line up for an easy win. Beating Notre Dame is a light addition to one's resume' these days.

I had high hopes that Brian Kelly would restore a winning attitude, high expections and results, and a mental and physical toughness that defined this program for so many decades. Much of Notre Dame's identity is tied to that toughness. Now its gone....and Kelly is still here. Thats why a change is needed.

 

[Java65]

what is puzzling is the frequent references to Mark D'Antonio period. He has represented MSU very well, been successful in the B1G and post season...and MSU Nation appears to be satisfied with him. ND is an entirely different situation. We are half-assed in a conference for which we cannot win a title...and we regularly get embarrassed in bowl games. That is most concerning. I don't look forward to bowl invites because the losses are much too frequent. That is not what used to be at Notre Dame....and teams hated our success out of envy. Now they think we are spoiled, pampered uniforms and line up for an easy win. Beating Notre Dame is a light addition to one's resume' these days.

I had high hopes that Brian Kelly would restore a winning attitude, high expections and results, and a mental and physical toughness that defined this program for so many decades. Much of Notre Dame's identity is tied to that toughness. Now its gone....and Kelly is still here. Thats why a change is needed.

Very well said! I'm puzzled too by the constant references this year to D'Antonio and Shaw every time they struggle this year. People act as if Kelly has won 11 games 3 straight years and we are piling on in his one down year.

Here is the difference. D'Antonio and Shaw have a track record of winning 9, 10, 11 games every year and they are having a down year. Kelly has a history or winning 8 games a year and is having an even worse year. Lets not forget, as bad a season as Shaw and D'Antonio are having they both managed to beat Kelly. So if someone is arguing that D'Antonio is bad they must think Kelly truly awful

 

[Harpo Marxist]

Very well said! I'm puzzled too by the constant references this year to D'Antonio and Shaw every time they struggle this year. People act as if Kelly has won 11 games 3 straight years and we are piling on in his one down year.

Here is the difference. D'Antonio and Shaw have a track record of winning 9, 10, 11 games every year and they are having a down year. Kelly has a history or winning 8 games a year and is having an even worse year. Lets not forget, as bad a season as Shaw and D'Antonio are having they both managed to beat Kelly. So if someone is arguing that D'Antonio is bad they must think Kelly truly awful

they win a respectable amount of their bowl games...which are usually major bowl games.....that is not the Brian Kelly experience.

 

[PharmD Blue]

He is a proven winner everywhere including ND. The CFL coach dude gave a laundry list of things he's improved.

But clearly he's losing it! Lou was putting officials in head locks, Davie whined, Ty just said screw it I'll go golfing (smartest one) and Charlie the Tuna was an insufferable deuche. Now BK is getting into it with anyone and everyone in sight.

I hope he ends up at Texas, LSU or any school that actually walks the talk when it comes to winning.

My goal if I was him would be to bust my butt to try and 4-1 down the stretch. Get ND bowl eligible for the kids and extra practices. Then walk out the door

That's what this Administration and the entiltled portion of the fan base deserve. Bobby Bowden had one bad year at WVU, they burned him in effigy, he turned it around the next season and quit! For a little know school in Tallahassee FL.

I hope the same for BK.

LOL

 

[SALittleGiant513]

Answer your own question SAL? I am not looking to fire the coach you are?

You just described what every AD and GM from HS to the NFL is looking for. Do you have a name?

Wut? You said ND doesn't deserve BK... what type of coach do they deserve?

 

[Legendsteve]

Brian Kelly is a Turd.

 

[chaseball]

thats not correct...Stanford and MSU are winning more prestigious bowl games than Notre Dame more frequently too.

A lot of teams are winning more/playing in more prestigious bowls than current ND ... ND should be a favorite heading into every year for a playoff spot like current Michigan, OSU, and Alabama. Anything less is an insult to this program.