I am very confident that ND will win Saturday night. As of right now, Kelly's biggest win since arriving at ND, was his win on the road in Norman. Beating a undefeated Hurricane team on the road will be his biggest win thus far.
Beating Miami will be Kelly's signature win
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I just watched Catholics versus Convicts. I am motivated. This will be a good game. Looking forward to it.
Kelly has had multiple signature wins this year.. We beat him up when he is losing to Tulsa but let's give him credit
beating USC by like 100 was a signature win
beating NC State by 20+ was a signature win
Miami feels less like a signature win (if we win) compared to top two teams..
Not to me...this has always been one if those Brian Kelly hump games.
Meaning he gets really close but just can't get over that hump.
@Clemson two years ago.
@FSU three years ago.
@Stanford two years ago.
All three were huge for the program and all meant massive ramifications good or bad.
I really want to hate Miami but I really like Mark Richt. He seems like a really good guy.
The University of Miami football team is no longer "Duh U". The "fans" still are, but the team isn't. They try to be with that stupid chain and posing on the sideline with it, but it's more like a kid playing dress-up.
Nah. If we win, then all the people who want a "signature win" will just say Miami wasn't that good to start with so it doesn't count.
Notre Dame coaches shouldn't have "signature wins".
They either win national championships, or they don't.
This is a bad take. If they beat Miami on the road in a prime time top 10 matchup that is way more important then NC State or USC this year.
Had ND lost to nc state and usc would this game be just as significant? This game is what it is because of what ND did the previous two,weeks. Like i said we have had multiple signature wins this year. Its stupid argument to say That its either a championship or bust. Is 11-1 or 10-2 finish same as a 6-6 finish?
I don't disagree with you, but I do. But I don't disagree with you in a disrespectful manner (I know, that's confusing).
Every year and every situation is drastically different. What was a signature game in the BCS system is somewhat different in the 4 team playoff system. Each year the validity and strength changes for various conferences, and that's natural with coaching changes, recruiting, the development of 18-22 year olds, and a litany of other more minimal influences. So, is the game this weekend the most significant for this season?...probably for this year! But each year is a different story with different characters, conflicts, and plot lines in college football.
To me, a good coach navigates those changes and helps his athletes navigate those changes to perform at their best when called upon. I think this game for the media hype is the most significant so far this season now that the rankings have been established and ND's place at the table is identified, however tenuous it might be.
From a team perspective, the Georgia game might have been (let me reiterate...might have been) more signature because the team was able to see a defense and a team that is more ready to play in primetime and more like a top 4 team.
The biggest difference between the 2012 team and the 2017 team is this...
The 2012 team was proving to themselves every week that they belonged in the elite team discussion.
The 2017 team already knows it and is proving every week that their opponents don't.
The 2012 team was proving to themselves every week that they belonged in the elite team discussion.
The 2017 team already knows it and is proving every week that their opponents don't.
This is a swing game. If this team is for real, they win this game, if not, then its FSU 2014 and Clemson 2015 all over again.
Respectfully disagree. This team doesn't have that feel to it. As Flutie has said multiple times - "mentally tough", this team is that.
If you have multiple signatures wins in one year I am going to say that none of them are actual "signature wins." Maybe we are just defining signature win differently. Signature win to me would be a huge win that defines the direction of a program, which a coach can point to and say this represents what we can do. Big wins against ranked teams while important and impactful are not necessarily "signature wins." Closest BK has to a signature win IMO is OU in 2012.. Miami would be similar. I don't think wins over teams outside the top 10 are "Signature Wins" when you are coaching at ND. Context is relative though so if BK were still at Central Michigan and beat 13th Ranked USC then yeah that would be a signature win. Not saying the wins over USC/NC St aren't important or valuable, just that they aren't at the same level as a win over Miami would be.
You are delusional. You are acting as if ND is Bama and should be mopping floors with top 5 or top 10 teams. We have been a 7 win program for 25 years. So lets treat wins against no. 11 and no. 14 teams against that background. those were back to back elimination games so yes they are signature wins in my book.
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If you have multiple signature wins, then what's the point of a signature win?
so Iowa state beat no. 3 Oklahoma and no. 4 TCU
are you saying one is a signature win and the other one is not?
what if ND beats Miami and then faces Bama in NC game and beats them.. would you say then that Bama can't be our signature win as we already had one against Miami?
see how stupid your logic is.. to some its a signature win until it happens and then its no longer a signature win and we are on to the next big game so on and so forth
My logic isn't "stupid" at all. I've been consistent from the beginning that the idea of a "signature win" is idiotic for a Notre Dame coach.
What was Ara's signature win? Holtz's? Leahy's?
For a Notre Dame coach, you either win a national championship or you don't. That's your metric.
And frankly, the idea of a "signature win" for anyone is generally idiotic.
If you dig down into yearly records of these coaches you will find plenty of signature wins..
Ara against Bama
Lou Holtz against Miami so on and so forth
This whole thread is ridiculous. We're talking about a "signature win", whatever that really is, for a guy that's played in the National Championship game? I'm guessing he's already got a few of them.
If you have multiple signature wins, then the idea of a "signature" win is meaningless.
It would be like saying the Beatles have 40 "signature" songs.
There is a difference in those games and the games you reference. Both of those are top 5 wins. Also, as stated previously context matters. Iowa St. is a trash program. ND is not a trash program, with pedigree comes higher expectations.
Notre Dame beating NC State shouldn't ever be considered a "signature win", imo.
Notre Dame isn't Purdue.
I was a student at ND during the era of Ara , and believe it or not for years fans claimed that Ara couldn’t win the big one . When he won a big game the talk would always revert back to a big game he lost . It’s sort of a catch 22 but this Miami game will be a big one . Our players coaches can go along way of putting a big game behind if Miami losses they can blame there coach for not being able to win a big one - let’s hope
Even better if we win this game and lose the next they'll say "he can't win a big game." Look ND this season with the play on the field have exceeded my expectations. I'm excited about the program regardless of how the remainder of the season plays out. Kelly has a staff in place that makes me happy on Saturdays.
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Signature needs to include a win against a top 5-7 ranked opponent but I get your point. I’d also have including the stump job he put on Mark D at night Michigan State.
Night and Day from years past. This staff is young and talented. I’ve never enjoyed ND Football (I was 14 in 1993) like I have this year.
Biggest road game since Clemson.... the Irish CAN’T come out nervous like they did that night, the Irish laid a big fat turd that 1st Quarter. Clemson was ripe for the picking and we dropped ball after ball after ball that night.
You’d think so but honestly... where is it? At Oklahoma maybe... but they stunk. USC was like 7-5 that year so nope... they don’t count.
Yeah whatever helps you feel like a legend.. facts are facts.. ND went 4-8 last year .. ND is winning somewhere around 7 games a year for 25 years that's very Purdue like record...
So enjoy a rare good seasons we are having.. Given the state of ND football beating no. 11 and no. 14 teams is great achievement.. when previously we were like 3-13 against power 5 conferences let alone against top 15 teams..
and after we win this game and Miami loses in the ACC championship to Clemson the goalpost will get moved as Miami was "that good afterall".
This game looks alot like Okl in '12. Okl was ranked #8 and had Gameday there. If that wasnt a "signature win" then this probably wont be either by the end of the year based on the criteria that some have on here.
This game looks alot like Okl in '12. Okl was ranked #8 and had Gameday there. If that wasnt a "signature win" then this probably wont be either by the end of the year based on the criteria that some have on here.
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The truth about signature wins for a vast amount of fans on the board is signature wins only exist in a vacuum and at the end of that is winning a national championship, which isn't realistic bc only 1 team wins that.
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