Another look at kelly's incredible accomplishments as HC at ND.
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It's an accurate accounting. Your remark is unfortunate.
Quite frankly, I wonder why you don't chime in when posters are outright lying about circumstances surrounding kelly?
I guess that's healthy in your book.
Wow. Just wow. However, I finally understand. A little self-examination may be in order.
“The things we dislike most in others are the characteristics we like least in ourselves.”
― Marian Keyes, Rachel's Holiday
I don't have any particular like or dislike of Kelly, nor a whole lot of interest in criticizing him or defending him. But you seem obsessed with criticizing him, sometimes to the point of borderline childish rants, and go to great lengths and time to refute arguments supportive of him. I just wonder why someone might have so much passion on the subject.
My criticisms are spot on accurate and don't take a lot of time to formulate. The arguments that support him are often inaccurate, deficient and sometimes flat out lies. Find an instance of inaccuracy by me..... have fun with that....quite frankly not one poster has been able to refute one thing I have written. Therefore, the reliance on personal attacks.....
Again, quite frankly, I wonder why you don't chime in when posters are outright lying about circumstances surrounding kelly?
I guess that's healthy in your book.
Unfortunately, his vulgar behavior has been captured on numerous occasions. Scores of media outlets have pasted the disgusting gnome. Here's some examination for you.....
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/footba...to-be-notre-dames-head-coach?urn=ncaaf,wp5929
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/matthew-archbold/should-notre-dames-coach-be-fired-for-cursing
CGVR----you're vulgar as well. You've written some horrible things on here and once accused me of "wanting to give Brian Kelly head".
Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.
Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
Harbaugh is hundred times the coach and man that kelly will ever be.....
kelly is a vulgar sissy.
Where have you been argus? What post season honors do you think winston will get?
It's not a lie. Be a man, and be accountable for what you do. You'll be much better off in life for it. You honestly seem troubled.
Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
I think you may be right, but didn't you mention male domination or something.
I apologize if I offended you. However, this anonymous board is far from a national stage.....
Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
I can, but I need to know what for..... Please be specific.
However, if it has to do with someone's new throw rug the answer is "no".
http://historybuff.com/6-facts-that-prove-teddy-roosevelt-was-crazy-person-Pp6yqrKRdb8r
Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
I can, but I need to know what for..... Please be specific.
However, if it has to do with someone's new throw rug the answer is "no".
http://historybuff.com/6-facts-that-prove-teddy-roosevelt-was-crazy-person-Pp6yqrKRdb8r
First, I can't be bothered and I am not going to research whether Kelly did or did not do something or when he did it. Secondly, regardless of what it's based on, or how outrageous I might think it is, most of the stuff in support of, or criticizing, Kelly is just people's opinions or interpretations of statistics or facts. Stupid opinions are not lies, they are just stupid opinions. "Lying" may be the most overused term on this message board.
"Kelly has beaten Harbaugh......."
Do you consider this a stupid opinion or a lie?
This is just one of many flat out lying examples.....
Did you check out the link to Teddy Roosevelt's "trophies"? A guy told me a story that TR killed some kind of bear and when he was having it made into a rug they found a bullet in the bear's skull. Apparently, someone did not have a large enough caliber bullet and probably became a meal....
cgvr is really mentally ill. Bet we read one day he goes off and kills someone. Probably someone that looks like Kelly.
Kelly's teams have struggled somewhat in big games vs. highly-ranked teams. But overall, the program's in the best shape it's been in since Lou Holtz was coach. Now he just needs to learn a few things from Coach Holtz about how to win the big games.
IMO one of the biggest areas we need to improve is in the red zone. I don't know if its our schemes, playcalling or what, but our red zone offense continues to struggle somewhat each year. I don't think it's because of shortcomings in personnel. Our OL is as big and strong as any team's. We should be able to pound the ball in the RZ. I'd like to see Kelly install a Stanford-type of offense, with extra TEs and a FB. However, I don't think that's in his plans. But maybe he could at least put in a few things like that for the RZ.
IMO one of the biggest areas we need to improve is in the red zone. I don't know if its our schemes, playcalling or what, but our red zone offense continues to struggle somewhat each year. I don't think it's because of shortcomings in personnel. Our OL is as big and strong as any team's. We should be able to pound the ball in the RZ. I'd like to see Kelly install a Stanford-type of offense, with extra TEs and a FB. However, I don't think that's in his plans. But maybe he could at least put in a few things like that for the RZ.
Bingo.
Your thoughts on the RZ are good. Think about it...'bama is pulling two D linemen into the backfield to go jumbo with Henry. We use Luatua as a one dimensional blocking threat. We've yet to throw a screen to him.... He's yet to catch a pass. If we can create a blocking package on special teams PR/KR Sanders could go off. That guys is lightening in a bottle.... We also need to become more physical on each side of the ball....
I've touted the following before..... This program is in need of a top down evaluation by outside experts/consultants. Like many well run businesses/organizations, the GM/AD/other (swarbrick) should provide the resources and "continuing ed"/training for the coaching staff.
imo kelly and co will not get there on their own and will require an epiphany/outside training to adjust.
There's tons of work to do for us to close the gap.
swarbrick should force the issue....
PS Right now our kickers are terrific and a weapon...which will only improve...
We have 16 DLs on the roster in 2016. Do the Bama thing, take our two most athletic DLs and put them in a three man backfield with a big running back like Adams, just overpower the opponent at the point of attack. Just make sure to have a couple plays to switch to if the opponent puts 11 guys in the box between the tackles.
Yes, but, you leave out that Shaw took over an elite program built by Harbaugh. Kelly took over a depleted program that was undisciplined. I am not here to say BK is the best coach in CFB but he is a top-10 coach IMO. And, ND is recruiting well and sniffing NCs with him at the helm.
Honestly, I think you hate him for reasons other than football. You comments tend to always berate him as 'purple face', 'gnome', etc.
Shaw was part of the elite program built by Harbaugh. He's been with him since San Diego. In addition, Shaw has close to a decade of NFL coaching experience and he played for Stanford.
He spent 1 year under Ray Rhodes, 4 years under Jon Gruden and 4 years under Brian Billick. He and Harbaugh inherited a 1-11 disaster and in 4 years were 12-1 with an Orange Bowl victory.
They also beat southern cal in the biggest upset in CFB history in year 1.
Rivals recruiting rankings ND vs Stanford ’06-‘15 (Avg ND 10.8 Stanford 32.4)
2006 ND 8 Stanford 54
2007 ND 8 Stanford 51
2008 ND 21 Stanford 20
2009 ND 2 Stanford 50
2010 ND 14 Stanford 26
2011 ND 10 Stanford 22
2012 ND 20 Stanford 5
2013 ND 3 Stanford 64
2014 ND 11 Stanford 14
2015 ND 11 Stanford 18
From TOS:
Stanford was 114-118 in the prior 20 yrs to Shaw.
ND was 154-87 in the prior 20 years to kelly.
In the 5 years before Shaw's arrival Stanford had 30 wins.
In the 5 years before Kelly's arrival ND had 35.
In the 10 years before Shaw's arrival Stanford had 54 wins.
In the 10 years before Kelly's arrival ND had 70.
Shaw is averaging 10.9 wins per season. kelly is averaging 9.16.
Shaw has 54 wins in 5 years. kelly has 55 in 6 years.
Shaw is averaging 4.9 and 5.5 wins above the prior 5 and 10 year pace he inherited.
kelly is averaging 2.16 above the prior 5 and 10 year pace he inherited...
PS kelly has a 9.16 win average. The prior 20 years to his arrival we averaged 7.7 wins. He's averaging 1.4 wins above that....with the benefit of an extra game. So, with a .7 winning percentage times one extra game, kelly is actually .7 wins above the prior 20 years win rate.... Yay, for us....
I am in no way putting Shaw down. Rather, I am saying BK took over a mess and built it up. Shaw's head coaching experience started at the elite level and BK's did not. Shaw may have been there all the way with Harbaugh but he was not the head coach. You may still feel the need to prove a point but facts are facts.
Even though I feel there are a handful of better CFB coaches out there I do not believe they would/could do better at ND than BK has done (even if they would consider the job). BK may be a better ambassador of the program than HC and that's saying a lot.
I don't think Kelly is a bad coach .I just think he does not motivate his players, In college ball motivation so very important.
