Am I the only one completely exasperated with THIS result every recruiting cycle?
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Yes, you are the only one. Now be quiet and watch today's game.
Not worried about USC this season.
ND is one of the best football programs in the country that can't secure elite prospects thanks to their elite coaching/player development. But come playoff time when we have to get through the best teams in the big10 and sec these 5-stars that have been fully developed by their own elite coaches come to ball out. We've seen it every year in the BCS and CFP postseason.
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Stop your panicking. Enjoy this team's play for once. You really need to calm down
WHY WON'T YOU SHUT THE HELL UP? YOU SAY THE SAME THINGS DAY AFTER DAY.
Why won't it get fixed? Why is it total crickets/a mute topic around the ND mediasphere? What is the deal?
the deal is you are a pile of garbage troll
You keep forgetting academic standards, which disqualifies a good number of recruits
Will Black is a 5 * not to feed this nonsense.
"academic standards" is just self righteous rhetoric that excuses away incompetence/bad leadership at the university. Where were the academic standards during Charlie Weis' top 5 classes/5 star-laden classes?
Im using the 247 composite in these comparisons ... basically these are consensus 5 star prospects (consensus top prospects in each class)
Will Black is close but not quite there yet .. and he's the only one that is remotely close in the '25 class (which is why I made this topic)
The sky is falling. The sky is falling. The sky is falling.
Spoken by someone that has never seen the inside of a college classroom.
There's a reason that competing programs are paying these prospects 7-8 figures. They are EXTREMELY important. 5-star prospects directly correlate to winning national titles.
Who is being held accountable at ND for getting completely DRAXED by their competitors in securing these mega-important mega-valuable mega-productive impact prospects every year?
Who is being held accountable at ND for getting completely DRAXED by their competitors in securing these mega-important mega-valuable mega-productive impact prospects every year?
Oh, so now you know more than the experts that rate these players? Black is now #19 on Rivals.
Link: https://n.rivals.com/prospect_rankings/rivals250/2025?position=ALL POSITIONS
There are thirty one 5-star players in this year's class. It's not as though there's hundreds of these guys.
Are you really as dumb as what you seem to be, or are you just here to pull our chains?
If this wasn't some taboo elephant in the room topic around this football program/university I probably wouldn't feel compelled to bring light to it as often as i do.
Why does virtually the entire program run from this topic/ reality? Why does nobody at the university athletic department leadership EVER have to speak to this or be held accountable for this result on the recruiting trail year after year after year? It's completely and utterly taking the legs out from under the football program, and the way it's a dark topic around the football program is totally bizarre.
"The impediment to action advances action. What stands in the way becomes the way" -Marcus Aurelius
Face the issue, correct the issue, what is the problem?
You mean to tell me there isn't a single elite athlete that wants to get a top tier education at Notre Dame in the country anymore?
My fear is that the issue is political. That the issue is about suppressing the economic power of these valuable prospects. Its NDs refusal to capitulate to the multi-million dollar prospects around the country not because they are not worth it but because they are and ND wants to secure as much of their political and economic power over these prospects as they possible can. They want to regress the sport for some weird reason.
Why does virtually the entire program run from this topic/ reality? Why does nobody at the university athletic department leadership EVER have to speak to this or be held accountable for this result on the recruiting trail year after year after year? It's completely and utterly taking the legs out from under the football program, and the way it's a dark topic around the football program is totally bizarre.
"The impediment to action advances action. What stands in the way becomes the way" -Marcus Aurelius
Face the issue, correct the issue, what is the problem?
You mean to tell me there isn't a single elite athlete that wants to get a top tier education at Notre Dame in the country anymore?
My fear is that the issue is political. That the issue is about suppressing the economic power of these valuable prospects. Its NDs refusal to capitulate to the multi-million dollar prospects around the country not because they are not worth it but because they are and ND wants to secure as much of their political and economic power over these prospects as they possible can. They want to regress the sport for some weird reason.
Moreover, its super contradictive to walk into a family's living room and tell some prospects family that you are going to "take care of their kid and make sure they are financially set up for the rest of their life" while competing programs are actually providing the financial/material support to set them up for the rest of their life via millions of dollars in NIL/signing bonus money.
Its freaking weird man. The hypocrisy is overwhelming.
Its freaking weird man. The hypocrisy is overwhelming.
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By the powers bestowed upon me as an expert in the field of college football , I name these 3 players officially to 5 star status
Jadon Blair
Dallas Golden
Anthony Sacca
I grant you all 5 stars and are now “ the best of the best “.
The statistic diagram can now be revised.
Jadon Blair
Dallas Golden
Anthony Sacca
I grant you all 5 stars and are now “ the best of the best “.
The statistic diagram can now be revised.
The only weird thing is your continued insistence that ND is failing. You are the only one on this board who thinks that. The problem is you.
So you want to discredit the experts in the multi billion dollar recruiting industry that scout these prospects for multiple years instead of ask Notre Dame why they get completely shut out from the top prospects in every class?
There are very few players if any that are "Set up for the rest of their life". If you give a 22-year old $1 million, exactly how does that set them up for the remainder of their life? It takes a little more than that over the course of a lifetime.
Notre Dame is giving young men an education (ever hear of that?) that sets them up for success over a lifetime. Plus, as it's been pointed out to you just this past week, ND is (I think) #9 in NIL spending.
Yes, ND spends money in NIL, but its all to veteran 4th and 5th years. These guys lack elite upside while other programs are securing the kind of upside needed to compete at the highest level for national titles.
And call me crazy but i'll take 7-8 figures + a scholarship over just a scholarship. Why wont ND play ball? You mean to tell me they can't even "try" securing some higher end prospects with several million dollars at least?
Is this going to change with Pete Bacquava ??????( how ever you spell his name ) lol.
You said it will chase.
You said it will chase.
He said it will in an irish illustrated insider podcast. The basketball team secured a 5-star prospect. Just waiting for it to come to the football program.
We GOT EVERYTHING SET IN PLACE IN THIS FOOTBALL PROGRAM AT ALL LEVELS -- ALL WE NEED IS THE ADMINISTRATIONS SUPPORT to invest in elite HS prospects ... why won't hey give it us? its mind blowing man.
The administration at other football programs are eliminating obstacles in the way so that their football program/head coach can succeed.
NDs admins are cutting the legs out from under their football program in one way or another every year which is why in demand top-tier talent is repulsed by this football program.
NDs admins are cutting the legs out from under their football program in one way or another every year which is why in demand top-tier talent is repulsed by this football program.
Spending a ridiculous amount of money on an 18-year old kid guarantees NOTHING. Bryce Underwood might just wind up being mediocre in college. I can point out plenty of self-entitled players that didn't work out or wound up being average.
What are you talking about? its not even a choice anymore the best programs in the country HAVE TO secure these guys, its the only way you get to put your hat in the ring to compete at the highest levels for a national title.
Im not a future teller, but i'll tell you right now, based on the construction/make up of the type of rosters that win national titles over the last 25+ years, the program with the most 5 & high 4 star talent will be holding a national title at the end of the year.
Nobody is an expert. It’s an opinion nothing more. It’s sort of like weather forecasting.
What do you think the impediment is?2024 | 0 5-stars Year after year after year after year what is the impediment?
the 247 composite (which is what i referenced in my initial posts) is the consolidated view of all of the major recruiting sites (its the collective industry wide opinion/evaluations of these prospects)
its the most educated opinion on who the best football talent in the country is every year
And you know this how? Based on what? The recruiting rankings? Do you have any factual information that Notre Dame's NIL initiative is less than other programs?
Yes “ educated opinion”. It’s not science or math wherr 2+2 will always equal 4. That’s never going to change. But I can say plenty of recruits are deemed 5 stars and many don’t live up to that. My point is simple. Stars are not the end all when judging players.
As much I don't care about recruiting stars, and sympathize with your characterization, it's obviously true that if you get annual top five classes, you're going to be better off talent wise, on average. But ND is a special case, I feel very confident saying. You need program fits at ND. Forget about just the grades. And if ND is getting top 15 classes, comprised almost entirely of good program fits I'll take that every time. That's why we have a team like we do right now. They have the esprit de corps, they have a good affinity for the whole milieu, and they thrive on playing at ND, and with each other, which is a thoroughly different atmosphere than a SEC program like LSU. And you need guys that will be comfortable with and thrive at ND. And we get plenty of blue chippers as well.
You are DEAD wrong on this issue
Which players in Charlie Weis’s era were academically unqualified ?
Name them !
You believe the sites when they tell you who is a 5 star and who isn'tIt feels like im the only Notre Dame fan in existence tired of this result every year. It's SERIOUSLY capping the upside of the football program.
2025 | 0 5-stars
They told you Jeramiyah Love wasn't at that level. He was. So was others like Bryce Young and KVA. There were others who underrated and should have been top 100 players
You just gotta watch the film and don't believe everything they tell you. Use it as a tool. Not the end all be all
