opinions are not always the truth. no one will know if the loss of jones will be significant or not until the season plays out. my opinion is that the offense will be just fine.
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Do you feel as if the offense was fine last year?
Just fine isn't good enough unless you have a stellar D.
my point is that the loss of jones will not be significant. smythe was likely the starter as jones would have played a lot more outside than inside. yes i thought the offense was pretty damn good last year considering both qb's who played had minimal experience. definitely would have preferred better red zone efficiency but overall i thought the offense was the least of the problems. its not like tyler eifert got suspended here.
I agree with these points but our offense was inconsistent. Look at BC, Temple, Wake, OSU........ I don't think ND's D will be dominant so we can't afford to have that many off nights offensively. Losing someone as good as Alize hurts in that regard. We'll still have a very good offense, but in my opinion, unless the run game is even better, we'll still be a bit too inconsistent. We're going to need the D to step up more, that's probably and understatement.
this is in fact a huge 'hit' to the offense; geez the logic to consider that it is not is mind boggling;
it will even be noted by recruits and mentioned as a negative recruiting tool! gosh!
it will even be noted by recruits and mentioned as a negative recruiting tool! gosh!
The loss of a McGlinchey or Nelson or Morgan or Rochelle would be a big loss. The offense will be fine.
I think we'll be okay, if the rest can stay healthy. Remember Smythe was the starter Week 1 last year (and caught a TD pass) before he got hurt.
I think it's a pretty big loss, not massive as many have said he was 'expected' to breakout. ND lost Golson, Folston, Zaire, Bryant, Jarron Jones, Ishaq, Smythe,Tranquil all last year and persevered. Not to mention Russell and many others for several games. There are more problematic spots to lose players than a passing catching TE.
Smythe is the most complete TE as far as run, catch, block skills. But none of them have the big play capability of Jones.
Yeah, supposedly he has game breaker potential. Not a small loss. But we'll just need other players to step up.
Sorry, but Echo just doesn't respect speed and it shows again in this post. The offense will be fine, but AJ is gonna be a star, and it would have been nice to see it this year.
The offense will be fine and in fact this misstep will give the others a chance to step up. But AJ is gonna be a big star. Like Lou would say, he's special.
Go Irish!
The offense will be fine and in fact this misstep will give the others a chance to step up. But AJ is gonna be a big star. Like Lou would say, he's special.
Go Irish!
Programs all across the country have academic casualties at this time of year. Many have them immediately after the Fall semester with players ruled academically ineligible for bowl games.
More and more programs emphasize academic opportunities during recruit, but it goes beyond just promising to keep kids eligible and graduate. Part of the sales pitch is whether athletes are limited in their degree choices, and providing opportunities for leadership programs, opportunities for players to study abroad, significant career internships in a player's field of study (ie: Kizer. Wimbush, Tranquill).
A lot of these kids - even the super elite athletes - are far more talented than we often give them credit for.
Right now, Alabama and Saban are getting some bad press over their unequal treatment of a kid that earned his degree after three years and requested permission to contact other schools about a transfer. Alabama's actually pretty good at graduating players, but is it really a program that's supportive of academic success?
The negative recruiting angle gets played a lot of ways. Personally, I think a lot of kids and parents are turned off by it because it make the coaches tossing mudpies look desperate and weak.
^ For ND the stigma about academics getting in the way of football development is used against ND. The ND academics can intimidate recruits; especially those on the fence.
Do you think ND is recruiting as it once did?
Do you think ND is recruiting as it once did?
Enter your new Alize Jones...as the receiving TE....from Abbotsford B.C. Canada....Chase Claypool!
yea, was the 1st thought, but he is just not ready yet. He needs this year to work on conditioning and strength.
Boykin is more likely.
Boykin is more likely.
Kelly and Claypool have been quoted this summer as stating TE might be an option.
He looks bigger than Kizer in this photo who's ND bio says 6 4 1/2 and 230 lbs.
i said he has great potential. we haven't seen greatness yet. how is that not respecting speed ? way more to the game than that.
Again.......... it's hard to explode onto the scene your frosh year. Look at Will fuller, he went from similar stats of alize his frosh year to 1000 yds and 15 tds. Imagine our 2014 team without him, the offense would have been fine, but we may have even lost a game or two more.
TE just went from potentially being dynamic/game changing to adequate.
it's certainly not unusual to have some inconsistency with a first time QB. thats growing pains. i think you will see more consistency this year whoever the qb is.
WE played terrible on offense vs BC, Wake, Temple, and OSU. Resulting in a 3 loss season.
Also, you would have said the same thing about fuller not being a big loss before the 2014 season if he went down because he didn't do much in 2013 except show potential.
Alize showed his elite potential last year, this year was his year to start shining. Big loss, not a deal breaker, but big loss.
apples to oranges. bad comparison. again, you never want to lose a talented player but lets not go crazy like they are losing an all american.
In tennis you have both forced errors and unforced errors and enough of both, you will lose your match.
I consider injuries forced errors while I consider academic casualties as unforced errors.
To be considered elite at Tennis or CFB, you really need to limit the unforced errors because unfortunately you will suffer forced errors.
I consider injuries forced errors while I consider academic casualties as unforced errors.
To be considered elite at Tennis or CFB, you really need to limit the unforced errors because unfortunately you will suffer forced errors.
13 catches for zero td's is elite potential? Maybe in your mind.
You can believe it is a big loss. I don't.
Perspective...
"Only one freshman tight end has caught a pass during Brian Kelly’s tenure in South Bend — that being Ben Koyack in 2011. And he only caught one pass that year."
http://www.csnchicago.com/notre-dame/notre-dame-thinks-alize-jones-can-find-first-year-home-offense
"As a freshman tight end last season, Jones caught 13 passes for 190 yards, while the rest of its five-man scholarship crew combined for seven receptions for 43 yards. "
https://www.notredamefcu.com/node/1911?language=es
Starter out with an injury. Weishar not ready physically to play and Hounshell /Latua who were blockers.
I think the offensive coaches would settle for the same amount of receiving production from the group if they would improve significantly in blocking. They were bad at setting the edge.
I think the TE unit has great upside if kelly chooses to attack underneath. PS Jones is a hybrid as he also plays out of the slot and WR positions.
PS Sad to see this...
Chase Hounshell @chasehounshell
I can't thank ND enough but I am excited to announce I will be transferring to THE Ohio State University! Go Bucks!
7:52 AM - 18 Apr 2016
The true slot position(Sanders,Procise last year) mitigates the use of the traditional TE as a pass catcher.
Glad for Hounshell. He seems excited.
So we completed passes to the TE 20 times last year and struggled in the red zone, but losing a hybrid TE whose upside seems to be stretching the field is a big loss?
Jones was facing different competition than Koyack. The entire TE unit was inexperienced going into last season so there was plenty of opportunity. Its not like Jones was playing behind Tyler Eifert.
Jones had 2 whole receptions in November.
Hounshell has his degree, best of luck to him. Hopefully he finds a way to get some PT at OSU.
Where did I write that it was a "big loss"?
I did write:
"2 big targets gone....Robinson and Jones...
I think our O may be more physical...
PS kelly has a melon head...."
PS I'm still not happy that Eifert's slot/WR catches are added into his ND historical TE totals. I don't think that's fair to Ken MacAfee...others....
I guess I misinterpreted the purpose of the Koyack comparison.
I hope you're right about physicality of the offense, but I don't think your personal friend and mentor Brian Kelly will commit to that for an entire season. I have no idea what he'll do from game to game.
And, really, I'd much rather see a more physical defense.
P.S. I agree on MacAfee. My kids' oral surgeon went to school with MacAfee after MacAfee finished the NFL. They were close friends. He used to tell my son stories about MacAfee as he was digging around his gums. He kept telling my kid, "You really won't like what football does to your body."
I usually agree with you, Echo, but not here. I think the loss of Jones will be big, especially early. We are pretty much replacing every receiver who started last year, and Jones, although he only had 13 catches, showed a lot of potential.
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