A power running game inside the 10

[mokpra37]

This has and will always be my biggest complaint about ND under Brian Kelly. Championship teams have a power running game inside the 10. Kelly refuses to recognize that .

With a power running game ND doesn't throw two picks that keep the game close in the first half. This game probably would have been a blowout. We have seen this pattern many times with similar results (have to try a field goal or a turnover).

For the love of all things holy, when you have the ball at the three, line up under the center and power the ball forward. If you can't get into the endzone in three attempts, you don't deserve to win the game.

 

[Izo]

We are supposed to have an outstanding offensive line ? There is something . Have to rethink the red zone offense .

 

[echowaker]

This has and will always be my biggest complaint about ND under Brian Kelly. Championship teams have a power running game inside the 10. Kelly refuses to recognize that .

With a power running game ND doesn't throw two picks that keep the game close in the first half. This game probably would have been a blowout. We have seen this pattern many times with similar results (have to try a field goal or a turnover).

For the love of all things holy, when you have the ball at the three, line up under the center and power the ball forward. If you can't get into the endzone in three attempts, you don't deserve to win the game.

where have you been ? you have a coach who believes in his philosophy and isn't gonna change. the interior got eaten alive last night. really think they could have punched it in ?

 

[NDCap]

echo BK said there would be an emphasis on the run game with MZ at the helm. With that and an OLine coach with years of experience and an experienced oline returning it should have been an easy transition to implement some power football within his system . This is all on the coach . It's been 6 years running. ND should have put this team away early .

 

[echowaker]

echo BK said there would be an emphasis on the run game with MZ at the helm. With that and an OLine coach with years of experience and an experienced oline returning it should have been an easy transition to implement some power football within his system . This is all on the coach . It's been 6 years running. ND should have put this team away early .

MZ not the QB now. he ran the read option exceptionally well. I also don't share the opinion that this is a great o-line. Stanley is great a potential hall of famer if he stays healthy. mcglinchey and nelson have great potential but are young. not thrilled at all with the other two. martin is nowhere near as talented as his brother and elmer , well I don't think I've ever seen a guy who frustrated me more. enjoy the 7-1. I sure am. every team has warts.

 

[Quest4Twelve]

This has and will always be my biggest complaint about ND under Brian Kelly. Championship teams have a power running game inside the 10. Kelly refuses to recognize that .

With a power running game ND doesn't throw two picks that keep the game close in the first half. This game probably would have been a blowout. We have seen this pattern many times with similar results (have to try a field goal or a turnover).

For the love of all things holy, when you have the ball at the three, line up under the center and power the ball forward. If you can't get into the endzone in three attempts, you don't deserve to win the game.

I wish there was a 10x Like button...completely agree!

 

[zuskie]

Sometimes they run...sometimes they pass. Yeah Kizer made a mistake. Happens.

Yep...they never run....except the first TD last night was a 4 yd run.

Any complaints about the game winning TD pass?

 

[deadirishpoet]

where have you been ? you have a coach who believes in his philosophy and isn't gonna change. the interior got eaten alive last night. really think they could have punched it in ?

And here lies the difference between coach Kelly (too stuburn) and someone like ........coach Patterson for example coach Patterson who just last season change his philosophy in order to achieve the expections he has set for his team.. Yes echo with a beefy line TEs and a FULLBACK it is possible to punch it in.
It happens every weekend from HS to College to th e pros.

It's not rocket science

Maybe 6 seaons of poor RZ offense might want to reconsider somethings about the game, or just keep on keeping on. What is the definition of insanity?

 

[echowaker]

And here lies the difference between coach Kelly (too stuburn) and someone like ........coach Patterson for example coach Patterson who just last season change his philosophy in order to achieve the expections he has set for his team.. Yes echo with a beefy line TEs and a FULLBACK it is possible to punch it in.
It happens every weekend from HS to College to th e pros.

It's not rocket science

Maybe 6 seaons of poor RZ offense might want to reconsider somethings about the game, or just keep on keeping on. What is the definition of insanity?

it's not that it won't it's that he's not gonna do it. good for Patterson. lots of good coaches and lots of ways to win games. my thing is I watch the game as a coach and not as a fan. the W is the only thing that matters. because one coach does one thing doesn't mean every one should. a coach should do what he believes in. its gotten Kelly to notre dame. I don't prefer the offense but I don't whine about something I know damn well isn't gonna change. 7-1 and I'm lovin' it.

 

[rgc7]

I have to agree that 1. We have to be able to power the football in from two or three yards out. It becomes a question of the linemen moving the guy in front of them, even if no hole is opened the back can follow
The strongest blockers for a yard or two, or go over the top.
Even if we don't get a TD , the field goal should still be there ?
2. It is nice to be 7 and 1, but close games can go either way. Last night we were up by 4, but if Temple had a completion instead of a pick, we could have lost by three ? Those two turnovers in the red zone gave us 0 points instead of at least two field goals or two
Touchdowns if we play power football ?
3. In short , Temple and Va came very close to beating us. If we keep leaving points on the field in the Red Zone
We may not be so lucky in the future ?
4. I would have to watch the Clemson tape again .
But besides the Two point try by Kelly, I don't know if we left any red Zone points on the field ?
Yes, I am happy with 7 / 1 , but I still don't think that we
Are so well coached and as disciplined as we should be , and I think
That they are legitimate points for discussion on a football board ?

 

[kellys heroes 35]

I have to agree that 1. We have to be able to power the football in from two or three yards out. It becomes a question of the linemen moving the guy in front of them, even if no hole is opened the back can follow
The strongest blockers for a yard or two, or go over the top.
Even if we don't get a TD , the field goal should still be there ?
2. It is nice to be 7 and 1, but close games can go either way. Last night we were up by 4, but if Temple had a completion instead of a pick, we could have lost by three ? Those two turnovers in the red zone gave us 0 points instead of at least two field goals or two
Touchdowns if we play power football ?
3. In short , Temple and Va came very close to beating us. If we keep leaving points on the field in the Red Zone
We may not be so lucky in the future ?
4. I would have to watch the Clemson tape again .
But besides the Two point try by Kelly, I don't know if we left any red Zone points on the field ?
Yes, I am happy with 7 / 1 , but I still don't think that we
Are so well coached and as disciplined as we should be , and I think
That they are legitimate points for discussion on a football board ?

If you want to be fair -- you would add C Browns fumble on goal line vs clemson - Robinson drop on goal line v clemson . Notre Dame is one play away from having a legit argument for being the # 1 team in the country . Kelly's main job is to recruit talent - he is one play away from being the #1 or 2 team in the country w a third option at QB and RB . I would also mention compare ND's academics as it relates to admissions to that of the other schools ranked 1-7 - do that and report back to us

 

[deadmanramsey]

Would be nice to see them snap it under center that close to the endzone. A spread running game from the shotgun is not as effective when the defense is clustered together.

1st and goal at the 3. QB sneak or quick hand off 4 times and it should be an easy score. Shotgun ground game risks losing yardage.

 

[perseverare]

I think ND has 3 outstanding players and 2 average players on the OL.

 

[rgc7]

If you want to be fair -- you would add C Browns fumble on goal line vs clemson - Robinson drop on goal line v clemson . Notre Dame is one play away from having a legit argument for being the # 1 team in the country . Kelly's main job is to recruit talent - he is one play away from being the #1 or 2 team in the country w a third option at QB and RB . I would also mention compare ND's academics as it relates to admissions to that of the other schools ranked 1-7 - do that and report back to us

Kelly's Heros ,
You are correct about those two plays that cost us big time against Clemson ! That was also a tough game weather wise !
The admission office is certainly a factor, but the admission is what it is, and if we are to compete with the top teams then we can not Use admissions as an excuse. We are also not the only team that has high admission standards.

 

[rgc7]

Would be nice to see them snap it under center that close to the endzone. A spread running game from the shotgun is not as effective when the defense is clustered together.

1st and goal at the 3. QB sneak or quick hand off 4 times and it should be an easy score. Shotgun ground game risks losing yardage.

Ramsey,
Agree with you 100 %.

 

[echowaker]

Would be nice to see them snap it under center that close to the endzone. A spread running game from the shotgun is not as effective when the defense is clustered together.

1st and goal at the 3. QB sneak or quick hand off 4 times and it should be an easy score. Shotgun ground game risks losing yardage.

ohio st does it all the time.

 

[echowaker]

I think ND has 3 outstanding players and 2 average players on the OL.

I'd say one outstanding, two with big potential, one average and one that just frustrates the hell out of me.

 

[HRC08]

I have to agree that 1. We have to be able to power the football in from two or three yards out. It becomes a question of the linemen moving the guy in front of them, even if no hole is opened the back can follow
The strongest blockers for a yard or two, or go over the top.
Even if we don't get a TD , the field goal should still be there ?
2. It is nice to be 7 and 1, but close games can go either way. Last night we were up by 4, but if Temple had a completion instead of a pick, we could have lost by three ? Those two turnovers in the red zone gave us 0 points instead of at least two field goals or two
Touchdowns if we play power football ?
3. In short , Temple and Va came very close to beating us. If we keep leaving points on the field in the Red Zone
We may not be so lucky in the future ?
4. I would have to watch the Clemson tape again .
But besides the Two point try by Kelly, I don't know if we left any red Zone points on the field ?
Yes, I am happy with 7 / 1 , but I still don't think that we
Are so well coached and as disciplined as we should be , and I think
That they are legitimate points for discussion on a football board ?

Totally agree. On every point. Including being happy ND's 7-1. How hard is it to practice a Goal Line Power I set? Run it 6 times at the end of practice. What's that: 6 mins? It must be hard because my Philadelphia Eagles friends whine and moan just like I do whenever Goal Line offense is brought up.

 

[deadirishpoet]

it's not that it won't it's that he's not gonna do it. good for Patterson. lots of good coaches and lots of ways to win games. my thing is I watch the game as a coach and not as a fan. the W is the only thing that matters. because one coach does one thing doesn't mean every one should. a coach should do what he believes in. its gotten Kelly to notre dame. I don't prefer the offense but I don't whine about something I know damn well isn't gonna change. 7-1 and I'm lovin' it.

Excellent response my friend.

See it's ok to just agree to disagree.

 

[graceh90]

Would be nice to see them snap it under center that close to the endzone. A spread running game from the shotgun is not as effective when the defense is clustered together.

1st and goal at the 3. QB sneak or quick hand off 4 times and it should be an easy score. Shotgun ground game risks losing yardage.

This is the essence of the Irish red zone follies. Every successful red zone offense needs to at least have the threat of a smash mouth power running game inside the 10. There is a time and place for taking advantage of knowing the snap count and executing brute force. Everything else is predicated on that possibility. Take that away and the PA to the TE and all the other reads that ND runs become very predictable. The Irish red zone offense essentially is fade to 88, slant to 7 and 14 read option.

Echo, I get your point, it simply does not fit the Kelly offensive philosophy and weakness up the middle on the oline. I, too, am a Kelly guy in every other way. But don't you find it excruciating to watch this team line up in a formation that handicaps them at the end of every successful long drive?

 

[deadirishpoet]

This is the essence of the Irish red zone follies. Every successful red zone offense needs to at least have the threat of a smash mouth power running game inside the 10. There is a time and place for taking advantage of knowing the snap count and executing brute force. Everything else is predicated on that possibility. Take that away and the PA to the TE and all the other reads that ND runs become very predictable. The Irish red zone offense essentially is fade to 88, slant to 7 and 14 read option.

Echo, I get your point, it simply does not fit the Kelly offensive philosophy and weakness up the middle on the oline. I, too, am a Kelly guy in every other way. But don't you find it excruciating to watch this team line up in a formation that handicaps them at the end of every successful long drive?

Well stated.

 

[perseverare]

on the openning drive (?) Lautua made a very good block on Matakevich. Need more of TL in at FB in RZ

 

[echowaker]

Excellent response my friend.

See it's ok to just agree to disagree.

always my brother.

 

[echowaker]

This is the essence of the Irish red zone follies. Every successful red zone offense needs to at least have the threat of a smash mouth power running game inside the 10. There is a time and place for taking advantage of knowing the snap count and executing brute force. Everything else is predicated on that possibility. Take that away and the PA to the TE and all the other reads that ND runs become very predictable. The Irish red zone offense essentially is fade to 88, slant to 7 and 14 read option.

Echo, I get your point, it simply does not fit the Kelly offensive philosophy and weakness up the middle on the oline. I, too, am a Kelly guy in every other way. But don't you find it excruciating to watch this team line up in a formation that handicaps them at the end of every successful long drive?

sure it does. but lots of other things frustrate me too. I've been calling plays for years. here's the thing a lot of the play calls have been there if the execution was just better. I came from a stacked I background. the game has changed. I haven't had any of my quarterbacks under center in 2 years other than a victory formation. ohio state doesn't go under center nor do a lot of other teams. it's just differences in philosophies. i'll take kellys over his predecessors any day of the week.

 

[pumpbeef]

When you load the box up your going nowhere,,,have you noticed the lack of passing in the red zone.if you spread them out they will follow......ND has the height and talent to score......

 

[deadirishpoet]

When you load the box up your going nowhere,,,have you noticed the lack of passing in the red zone.if you spread them out they will follow......ND has the height and talent to score......

And just how has that played out in the red zone in 6 season?