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about to drop my dish Dvr. Reliving my 2012 recordings.

Watching Golsen. Amazing how he grew from the first few games getting benched against Michigan to a complete stud after Miami.

Thinking what a benefit it was to have Rees as Golsen grew. We would have started 1-2 without TR.


Can't help but thinking how Winbush would have benefitted from having Malik here. Seems like this year might be starting out with a similar task.

ND's front 7 that year was stout! Not sure our Defense this year will keep us in as many games. The 2012 year the first few games were pathetic offensively.

New QB, unknown Defense. Will say the 2015 team was better. Just too many injuries as the year went on. A healthy 15 vs a Healthy 12. 2015 wins I believe. Too bad we didn't have the 12 defense with the 15 offense.
 
Wimbush should be ahead of where Golson was in 2012. I think Malik moving on gives him and the Irish a fresh start that will be good all the way around.

I'm WAY more worried about the defense and special teams than Wimbush. He'll be in a great situation with a veteran OL, veteran RBs, and lots of weapons outside.
 
MTIrish98 said:
Wimbush should be ahead of where Golson was in 2012. I think Malik moving on gives him and the Irish a fresh start that will be good all the way around.

I'm WAY more worried about the defense and special teams than Wimbush. He'll be in a great situation with a veteran OL, veteran RBs, and lots of weapons outside.
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MTIrish98 said:
Wimbush should be ahead of where Golson was in 2012. I think Malik moving on gives him and the Irish a fresh start that will be good all the way around.

I'm WAY more worried about the defense and special teams than Wimbush. He'll be in a great situation with a veteran OL, veteran RBs, and lots of weapons outside.
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Agree on winbush. Just assuming you get a cramp, hit to the head, need a breather. Our backup has never played. I'd guess Wake has less athletes and we lost little. Defense stabilized after BV left. Hoping for something stable and above average.

Nice to talk football. I thought I was going to have to say Hillary sucked or something to get a dialogue. I remember when this was a football board. Ha!
 
From what I saw of Malik last year, it seemed like he was trying to do it all himself. I am not confident that he will settle down with only one season to prove himself. He needed seasoning. Without it, he will try to condense 39 games of big plays into 13. Hope he proves me wrong and focuses on other players makingh the big plays.
 
I think some have unrealistic expectations for this year. Typical. I think we win 8. Lose to GA, USC for sure. The rest is tough to predict.
 
I won't be a bit surprised if we lose to Temple right our the gates and Swarbrick fires Kelly before years end. I think Kelly gave ND all he has. I think he should be remembered as a good coach. Best since Lou, but I think he's tired. 25 years will do that to you.
 
You may be right. I hope you're wrong. Kelly has never made it a secret in that he doesn't want or plan to coach forever. I don't know when he plans to retire. Maybe, and I state maybe, he is on his own 3 year plan to turn it around and go out on top. Wouldn't he be about 60 then? He has certainly made major changes to his coaching staff, coaching philosophy (Not calling plays, if he sticks to it), his approach to interacting with his players, heck even his diet and personal workout regime. Kelly, like all head coaches at this level, is very competitive. 8 wins may even be a stretch given how poorly the team played last year. But that is why we play them one at a time. Go Irish!!
 
57Patrick said:
You may be right. I hope you're wrong. Kelly has never made it a secret in that he doesn't want or plan to coach forever. I don't know when he plans to retire. Maybe, and I state maybe, he is on his own 3 year plan to turn it around and go out on top. Wouldn't he be about 60 then? He has certainly made major changes to his coaching staff, coaching philosophy (Not calling plays, if he sticks to it), his approach to interacting with his players, heck even his diet and personal workout regime. Kelly, like all head coaches at this level, is very competitive. 8 wins may even be a stretch given how poorly the team played last year. But that is why we play them one at a time. Go Irish!!
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He hasn't t called plays since 2014.
 
Saban is much older and I think BK just had too many average assistants. I like the new staff much better. BK will be fine but ND has to really self evaluate how much it means to win.

If you do look at 2012, it's just amazing how lucky we were to be 12-0. We were a much better team in 15. We had better talent except for that d-line which was excellent. One of the best. Until I re-watched the season I missed how dominant Tuitt, Nix and Shembo where. Felt like we averaged 4 sacks a game.

We really missed Fuller and CJ last year. Put Fuller on that team and ND goes 10-2 last year. He was that dominant if you watch. We just don't have that elite speed that makes people double up and cover over the top. Not to mention the inside screen.
 
Kelly is the best HC we've had since Lou and he has made a ton of improvements to the program. He also has a terrible record against ranked opponents and in meaningful post season bowl games. His hiring and then sticking with BVG too long warranted firing last year, but didn't happen. What did happen was a huge retooling of his staff, including the strength and conditioning program. While I felt Kelly should have been held to account and dismissed, I am very supportive of the changes and expect to see a much better coached product on the field. Keeping the HC while making widespread changes to the staff usually proves to be a empty solution that simply postpones the inevitable by a season or two. Hope ND proves to be the exception.
 
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NotreDame du Lac said:
I think some have unrealistic expectations for this year. Typical. I think we win 8. Lose to GA, USC for sure. The rest is tough to predict.
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I think, as I have repeatedly said, the season rides on the shoulders of Wimbush. He has to stay healthy.

The good news is the schedule has only 1 team with a known as 'elite' QB. ( I feel Eason can be good to outstanding, but I had a debate here with someone and rethought him, it premature to call him 'elite' as yet. He is at this time 'potential' but he is at worst good. That there are no teams with established QB's and a few 1st time starters, will help the ND defense.

(btw: just as ND's season is on Wimbush, USC is in much the same position with Darnold)
 
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perseverare said:
yep, they are right this ND head coach is not responsible for anything. Don't follow the pressers or read the media reports? He is the most irresponsible member of the staff.
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Who said that ? It's been well documented that Kelly turned over play calling duties in 2014. Of course as head coach he can veto anything on either side of the ball.
 
echowaker said:
Who said that ? It's been well documented that Kelly turned over play calling duties in 2014. Of course as head coach he can veto anything on either side of the ball.
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so far, not one coach has come forward and admitted to being the 'play caller'
a mystery for the ages.

4-8? could it be no one called the plays?

DK: "ESB, you go 20 yds turn left, wave your arms in the air'
"Steph, you run to the zebra and jump out from behind him"
and so it went?
 
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ndfi65 said:
If you think bk wasn't in on offensive play calling the last few years, you and echo are dumber than I thought.
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Watch the games dummy. It takes 2 minutes to determine if the head coach is involved in play calling.
 
I will stay out of the playcalling argument except for one point.

It doesn't really matter who is doing it if the players can't execute the simplest of plays.

When you are playing a weaker opponent at home & all you need is a half a yard & you call a play to run behind your AA's & you still don't get it, that is on the players.

Playcalling can get silly when you throw 50 times, but I noticed even when they tried to run behind our line it didn't work?

Players have to be held accountable too.
 
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NDAFArly said:
I will stay out of the playcalling argument except for one point.

It doesn't really matter who is doing it if the players can't execute the simplest of plays.

When you are playing a weaker opponent at home & all you need is a half a yard & you call a play to run behind your AA's & you still don't get it, that is on the players.

Playcalling can get silly when you throw 50 times, but I noticed even when they tried to run behind our line it didn't work?

Players have to be held accountable too.
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you play the way you practice. The smartest short yardage play in the Kelly playbook is a delay of game, so he can get in his comfort zone n call the fade.

Well coached steams with 2 AA's would make that yard; because they spend serious time on execution in practice.
 
perseverare said:
you play the way you practice. The smartest short yardage play in the Kelly playbook is a delay of game, so he can get in his comfort zone n call the fade.

Well coached steams with 2 AA's would make that yard; because they spend serious time on execution in practice.
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Thanks to Coach Richard Kotite for his clueless assessment!
 
Pennick44 said:
Thanks to Coach Richard Kotite for his clueless assessment!
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you lack originality. You know that my standard for failure as I ve posted frequently has been Kotite.
Be more creative: you can actually replace Kotite with Kelly!

And 'clueless'? how about you discuss the Kelly proficiencies in short yardage or RZ ?

It won't take you long!
 
perseverare said:
you lack originality. You know that my standard for failure as I ve posted frequently has been Kotite.
Be more creative: you can actually replace Kotite with Kelly!

And 'clueless'? how about you discuss the Kelly proficiencies in short yardage or RZ ?

It won't take you long!
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How is the Western Kentucky squad looking?
Coack Elston is waiting for your next prospect evaluations. #getajob
 
NDAFArly said:
I agree you play the way you practice, but when you need a yard it is on the players. That is 100% effort. I don't care if it is ND, Bama or UMASS, a yard is a yard & you can't "coach up" effort.
With two AA's all you need to do is call the play & they take care of the rest. That is why they are AA's.
There is a time to blame coaches & there is also a time to hold players accountable.

I spent 8 years in STS & I always found it interesting when people would try to blame "the President" or "Congress" or "you just got bad orders." But sometimes we just made bad decisions. It was on us, not our leadership. We have to be honest with taking blame or nothing gets solved. Same with ND. Kelly can take blame, but the players have to take responsibility at some point. Or not. It's a game. Lol
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how many players have to demonstrate the same problems in the same situations?
At some point you look at the 'teacher'
 
Yes Kelly technically turned over offensive play calling to his co-offensive coordinators in 2014. I think this meant planning the offense weekly, which was then Presented to him for tweaking or reshaping, etc... I believe every call originated up in the booth, but also that every call went through Kelly for approval or change, before being sent in, and then many if not most were changed again by what the defense was showing. Kelly was intimately involved in literally every play call, just not originating every call as he did before 2014. He suggests that Long will have much more authority to run the offense and that Kelly will allow both OC and D.C. To run their respective teams and that he will be selectively involved, but hard to believe given his penchant for running the offense and coaching the QB. I hope he does allow Long to run the offense as we will be less predictable and more efficient, use our backs out of the backfield as receivers more effectively, bring back the screen pass, re-establish our TE University credentials, have an under center power running game when warranted, and just be a hell of a lot more exciting to watch.
 
Kelso86 said:
So Einstein -- who has called plays since 2014 --- seeing as you appear to know it all!
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OK dipshits, I forgot all about your love for the cant do anything wrong bk. My point was that bk had to be involved in everything and that means the play calling. No decent OC would ever come/stay at ND because he could never have control of the offense. I guess you clowns forgot about the "all three of us will be involved in play calling" in other words "no one" is calling the plays. It was a disaster. It will be interesting to see if bk can learn to be a head coach and let his coordinators do their fricking job and stay out of the way. My money says no he won't.
 
well, BK will always meddle in the offense. But, Elko seems to be a bit stronger personality than recent hires.
I just don't think he will take any 'crap' from BK. In fact he might dish out some.
 
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OK dipshits, I forgot all about your love for the cant do anything wrong bk. My point was that bk had to be involved in everything and that means the play calling. No decent OC would ever come/stay at ND because he could never have control of the offense. I guess you clowns forgot about the "all three of us will be involved in play calling" in other words "no one" is calling the plays. It was a disaster. It will be interesting to see if bk can learn to be a head coach and let his coordinators do their fricking job and stay out of the way. My money says no he won't.
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"My point was that bk had to be involved in everything and that means the play calling."

Well -- DUH -- yes, he would be involved in everything as the HC! And yes, like all HC's, probably had some override authority as well.
 
Kelso86 said:
"My point was that bk had to be involved in everything and that means the play calling."

Well -- DUH -- yes, he would be involved in everything as the HC! And yes, like all HC's, probably had some override authority as well.
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yes but if it doesn't work it is still someone else's fault!
 
Who cares who called the plays 5 years ago, who cares who callled the plays last year, just win a lot more than you did last year, that's all I care about.
 
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Telx1 said:
Yes Kelly technically turned over offensive play calling to his co-offensive coordinators in 2014. I think this meant planning the offense weekly, which was then Presented to him for tweaking or reshaping, etc... I believe every call originated up in the booth, but also that every call went through Kelly for approval or change, before being sent in, and then many if not most were changed again by what the defense was showing. Kelly was intimately involved in literally every play call, just not originating every call as he did before 2014. He suggests that Long will have much more authority to run the offense and that Kelly will allow both OC and D.C. To run their respective teams and that he will be selectively involved, but hard to believe given his penchant for running the offense and coaching the QB. I hope he does allow Long to run the offense as we will be less predictable and more efficient, use our backs out of the backfield as receivers more effectively, bring back the screen pass, re-establish our TE University credentials, have an under center power running game when warranted, and just be a hell of a lot more exciting to watch.
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I ve been calling plays for almost 20 years. The head coach is always on the phones listening in and always has the right to interject. It's the same everywhere at every level. Few do because of the time constraints involved. You trust your guys or you don't t.
 
ndfi65 said:
OK dipshits, I forgot all about your love for the cant do anything wrong bk. My point was that bk had to be involved in everything and that means the play calling. No decent OC would ever come/stay at ND because he could never have control of the offense. I guess you clowns forgot about the "all three of us will be involved in play calling" in other words "no one" is calling the plays. It was a disaster. It will be interesting to see if bk can learn to be a head coach and let his coordinators do their fricking job and stay out of the way. My money says no he won't.
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Good. You admit that BK wasn't calling the plays. Glad we have that established.
 
Kelso86 said:
"My point was that bk had to be involved in everything and that means the play calling."

Well -- DUH -- yes, he would be involved in everything as the HC! And yes, like all HC's, probably had some override authority as well.
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Man you are a freaking genius!
 
Pennick44 said:
Good. You admit that BK wasn't calling the plays. Glad we have that established.
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I admit that you are a dipshit. He was involved in calling plenty of em, I guarantee that. You clowns are too stupid to figure that out.
 
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