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Underwood to Michigan

savvyandsassier
Harpo Marxist said:
LSU fans are losing their minds over the flip. The 60 mil owed to Kelly is getting smaller by the day. TAMU owed Jimbo 77 mil and was glad to pay it. Kelly will have to gut his coaching staff after this season.....and that means starting over. I don't think LSU has the appetite for a do over after year 3. I think he's gone after this season.
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Here you go again. You're drooling again! I honestly think someone like you would creep LSU fans out. Even the LSU fans that ND fans like you inspired in the first place. The average cranky, meathead BK-hating LSU fan is common to every team, to every fanbase. But you're next level, the very palpable, personal desire, and lust on your part to watch BK suffer and be degraded almost like a sadist would trigger an instinctive revulsion. He's still their coach. Plus they don't like to see other men drool.
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Underwood to Michigan

savvyandsassier
Holycrossover3 said:
This isn’t Barstool money. Michigan released a statement and the first names that were mentioned were Larry Ellison & his wife. Billionaire money is a different level. Michigan appears to be competing with the likes of Oregon on NIL spend.

https://www.championscircleuofm.com/thosewhostayhome
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Right, that's the new word. Larry Ellison. Well, lucky for Michigan. They have their sugar daddy, who could easily manage an NFL payroll annually with no problem. And BU is the first big splash. That little geek was just the frontman.

But barstool probably wanted to get their beak wet as it were. With a nominal contribution, so they can bask in it. In any case, revenue sharing is basically here, so it's going to totally blow up everything. At least that's my very slight understanding. And NIL's reign of bidding war terror will have been short-lived. Whether or not Ellison is going to spend heavily on the program overall, I guess we'll find out.
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Cignetti Renews Contract

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echowaker said:
Lots of teams benefit from the portal, Notre Dame included. I just don't believe you can utilize the portal as the foundation of your team year in and year out and have sustained success.
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I don't think the portal is the foundation that Cignetti is planning. To build a winning program, it starts with the culture. And the culture starts with a pattern of success. Cignetti is establishing the pattern...which he has a history of doing. Building will take time. Next year at IU will be interesting, regardless of how this year finishes up.
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futuredomer said:
Is that why he got into coaching or was it to win a NC and be considered one of the great coaches in CFB?? If he got into it for 💰 only then it fits his loser mentality perfectly! He was a prick in 83' when he started at Assumption and has only gotten worse over the last 40 years.
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That's too bad...he speaks so highly of you.
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chaseball said:
Notre Dame has two players ranked inside the composite top 100 in 2025. Their competitors for national titles at the high p4 level sign about 10 of these kids and several of them are five stars

I don't understand how a program with Notre Dame's resources can fail so badly to correct the glaring obvious problem in the program which is the lack of upside in the talent

How is this not being corrected at Notre Dame? Can someone point me to how conceding your top talent in your class every year to your competitors is helping Notre Dame win national titles? Year after year after year after year after year after year of conceding nearly all of their best prospects to other programs

It makes no sense to me. What is the impediment? This question never gets asked and nobody at the program ever has to speak to it to the public in any way. I don't understand it
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Wash,rinse,repeat....
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Underwood to Michigan

chaseball
Holycrossover3 said:
I applaud your confidence in your posts, truly. There’s no need to go into what economists and data analysts do on the board, no patronizing necessary.

This idea that “more schools would bid beyond 10M if it weren’t for the economic power struggle” is just a statement that you claim, with no actual data or source. It reminds me of the person who starts a claim off with “statistics say….” and never actually claim their source. I’m well aware of revenue sharing ideas and university’s reluctancy to share with the players.

That really doesn’t have much to do with paying a high school kid $10M. You see, recruiting in college is far more unpredictable than the NFL draft. So many more players, all different levels of competition, and the most difficult aspect of recruiting as a whole: will this player continue to improve and progress? Or, are they at their peak athletically. Thats a very difficult prediction for a 17/18 year old.

For instance the class of 2020 pro style QB’s on Rivals. #1 QB was DJ Uiagalelei, only other 5 star was QB #2 Harrison Bailey, no idea who he is today. 4 star CJ Stroud after them. So only 1 of these 3 is probably worth big money right? What are the odds someone realizes it’s neither 5 star at the time? After going over the top 20 QBs from that class, maybe 2 were even decent?

This idea teams pay all this money up front before athletes prove they can even play at this competition seems misguided, and somewhat foolish.

And maybe you’ll prove me wrong and there will be a line of teams waiting to spend $10M on a recruit. I would imagine if they do it’s from the pocket of the wealthiest of donors who aren’t looking for a good business decision.
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I'm not trying to patronize you but you may be sensing a little bit of frustration in my tone because I feel like I'm repeating myself over and over and the point I'm trying to convey is not landing and it might not even be anybody's fault but my own. I apologize if that's the case. I also appreciate the discussion.

In soccer and baseball and many other sports that make the kinds of money that college football in America makes high school talent of the highest caliber is being guaranteed 7 and 8 digits

This is straight out of high school without ever taking a professional at bat without ever riding a factory bike without ever hitting a jump shot with a NBA caliber player in their face etc etc

So there is precedent for investing multi-millions in very green/raw prospective talent. The fact that most of these prospects don't fully reach their potential or ever return a single dollar on their investment doesn't change the fact that their fair market value is still worth millions of dollars as a top prospect.

It's up to the institutions to figure out what the fair market value is for prospective talent based on the revenues and profits in the sport and to invest accordingly. The risk that the prospect completely flames out is built into their cost

Unfortunately I don't even think any of this is on Notre Dame's radar. the operation feels like it's being ran out of a neighborhood high school back in the 1960s sometimes and the results on the field over the last 30 years is a testament to that
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Underwood to Michigan

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I applaud your confidence in your posts, truly. There’s no need to go into what economists and data analysts do on the board, no patronizing necessary.

This idea that “more schools would bid beyond 10M if it weren’t for the economic power struggle” is just a statement that you claim, with no actual data or source. It reminds me of the person who starts a claim off with “statistics say….” and never actually claim their source. I’m well aware of revenue sharing ideas and university’s reluctancy to share with the players.

That really doesn’t have much to do with paying a high school kid $10M. You see, recruiting in college is far more unpredictable than the NFL draft. So many more players, all different levels of competition, and the most difficult aspect of recruiting as a whole: will this player continue to improve and progress? Or, are they at their peak athletically. Thats a very difficult prediction for a 17/18 year old.

For instance the class of 2020 pro style QB’s on Rivals. #1 QB was DJ Uiagalelei, only other 5 star was QB #2 Harrison Bailey, no idea who he is today. 4 star CJ Stroud after them. So only 1 of these 3 is probably worth big money right? What are the odds someone realizes it’s neither 5 star at the time? After going over the top 20 QBs from that class, maybe 2 were even decent?

This idea teams pay all this money up front before athletes prove they can even play at this competition seems misguided, and somewhat foolish.

And maybe you’ll prove me wrong and there will be a line of teams waiting to spend $10M on a recruit. I would imagine if they do it’s from the pocket of the wealthiest of donors who aren’t looking for a good business decision.
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Underwood to Michigan

chaseball
Holycrossover3 said:
Well currently you and Michigan’s NIL collective are the only ones that believe he’s worth that massive investment. Time will tell who is correct.
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I think you are still overlooking the point I'm trying to make. Let's summarize:

$10 million relative to the revenues for a blue blood like Michigan is chump change.

More schools would be bidding beyond $10 million for number one consensus prospects if they weren't in an economic /political power struggle with the labor that's producing their wealth

Opportunistic football operations offices are looking ahead and seeing the inefficiency in the market for the cost of talent (Of course Notre Dame is not one of those colleges)

You can pay $10 million dollars to a prospect understanding that there's a good chance that prospect doesn't realize his potential (because most prospects don't realize their potential) and that you may not get $10 million back on that isolated/specific investment but still understand that the process of paying $10 million dollars for a prospect of Bryce Underwood's caliber is worth it

There are ways to quantify all of this and get a good understanding of what the fair market value is for a prospect of Bryce Underwood's caliber with the baked in risk involved in the cost. This is what economists and data analysts do for a living for businesses all across the country
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Underwood to Michigan

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chaseball said:
I've made some heavy edits to pretty much every post in this thread as a result of poor grammer due to voice transcription. So I would go back and reread my posts where I tried to clarify my point and delete some of the distracting parallels I was drawing to Major League baseball.

Anyway every business wants a 100% guarantee return on their investment but that's just not how the business world works.

I think what economist do is try to figure out what the fair market value is for a prospect with the built in risk of the investment being considered in that cost.

So like I said will Bryce Underwood specifically return the 10 million on Michigan's investment ? Who knows ...

But is it worth it to invest 10 million into a prospect of his caliber who may fully reach his potential? Yes very much so is my opinion
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Well currently you and Michigan’s NIL collective are the only ones that believe he’s worth that massive investment. Time will tell who is correct.
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chaseball
Holycrossover3 said:
So many variables in today’s college football.

Dante Moore was “Underwood” 2 years ago. I wonder if UCLA is enjoying their investment? Or if Ohio State enjoyed their Quinn Ewers investment?

I’ll say this, it’s really easy to risk money that isn’t yours.

Below I’ve left a link for you to ND’s NIL collective. You can donate/send a message as to how the NIL should be run at ND, probably more productive than posting on this board.

https://www.fundfoundation.org/
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I've made some heavy edits to pretty much every post in this thread as a result of poor grammer due to voice transcription. So I would go back and reread my posts where I tried to clarify my point and delete some of the distracting parallels I was drawing

Anyway every business wants a 100% guarantee return on their investment but that's just not how the business world works.

I think what economist do is try to figure out what the fair market value is for a prospect with the built in risk of the investment being considered in that cost.

So like I said will Bryce Underwood specifically return the 10 million on Michigan's investment ? Who knows ...

But is it worth it to invest 10 million into a prospect of his caliber who may fully reach his potential? Yes very much so is my opinion
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JOK career may be over

chaseball
NDinNJ said:
There are expenses as well. Plus they are supporting the other non-revenue sports. You're a moron. Go to school and take a couple of business and finance classes. I've included a recent report below. from the chart in the article you take the revenue and SUBTRACT the expenses to get the NET revenue, which may not even be the profit, but let's say it is, Ohio State most revenue, but just under $25 million after expenses. math is your friend, I suggest you brush up.

Add in the fact that you have no clue what or how Notre Dame is spending their revenue, you're simply assuming. You have a very unhealthy relationship with college football in general, and I highly suggest you seek professional help, because you appear to be psychotic.
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USA Today releases Top 25 revenue earning college athletic programs for 2022

USA Today has released a database of the total revenue produced by college programs during the 2022-23 athletics year.
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Nobody has any clue how these athletic departments are spending their money in any specific line-by-line sense all we can do is speculate based on the limited information that is available

All we know is that these colleges are making huge sums of money in a multi-billion dollar industry and are able to skirt any type of labor laws in the name of amateurism and academics 😂

As these major college football teams make their institutions prodigiously wealthy beyond their wildest wet dreams I have a hard time finding any sort of sympathy for them or their plight. It's the players who are blowing out their bodies with a really small window to earn and cash in on their skills that I sympathize with
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Underwood to Michigan

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chaseball said:
As for whether or not Bryce Underwood is worth it I think any business investment comes with a certain degree of risk. So Even though he may not be worth 10 million specifically it might still be a really good business practice to risk 10 million at the chance that a prospect of his caliber fully reaches his potential and the organization strikes gold
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So many variables in today’s college football.

Dante Moore was “Underwood” 2 years ago. I wonder if UCLA is enjoying their investment? Or if Ohio State enjoyed their Quinn Ewers investment?

I’ll say this, it’s really easy to risk money that isn’t yours.

Below I’ve left a link for you to ND’s NIL collective. You can donate/send a message as to how the NIL should be run at ND, probably more productive than posting on this board.

https://www.fundfoundation.org/
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Underwood to Michigan

chaseball
Holycrossover3 said:
That comparison is, well, something alright.

I’m not sure political reasons are the only reason here. I think paying high school kids millions of dollars is a great risk. Go through the rivals top 10 QBs over the last 10 years and tell me how many you believe were worth “Top 10 Money.” I bet it will be lower than you think.

Is Underwood worth $12M? Time will tell. The only thing I know is Michigan fans could care less if he is because a billionaire wrote the check, they’re just happy he’s on their team.
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As for whether or not Bryce Underwood is worth it I think any business investment comes with a certain degree of risk. So Even though Underwood may not specifically return 10 million it might still be a really good business practice to risk 10 million at the chance that a prospect of his caliber fully reaches his potential and the organization strikes gold
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