sjb75 said:

Weis.

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Patrish said:

We have to get by Army and USC and we’re only a four-point favorite at USC.

Don’t get ahead of yourself, we are not in the playoffs yet

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echowaker said:

Meaningless. Games are actually played on the field.

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chaseball said:

Yes there's a clear top 5 in F+ rating (5 teams way out infront of the rest of the pack, with OSU WAAY out in front in a tier of their own)

These tier 1 teams (including Georgia who is at #6) also are way out in front in team talent composite as per 247. These are the teams that have 15, 20, 25+ more 5 star players and top 100 players on their 85 man roster than ND does (in another talent tier entirely). Ole Miss being the only exception--but Lane Kiffin is one of those coaches who has proven that he's able to produce elite F+ seasons with subpar talent (these coaches are far and few between). His roster is also loaded with TONS of transfers that are not comprehensively reflected in the 247 talent rankings.

Basically if ND faces any of these top 5 or 6 teams they'll be a major underdog and probably get ran over yet again. Even if they don't get ran over, the chances that they'll actually win these games is far too low for a team of NDs resources. And its embarrassing that year after year ND essentially heads into the regular season with the same program handicap unable to compete with the top teams in college football (but its disguised by their shit-tier schedule vs the ACC & G5).

Moreover, NDs 2025 recruiting class is down to #14 in the country with only like 1 or 2 players in the composite top 100 (and its yet another recruiting class without a single 5-star commit). The problems are GLARING AND OBVIOUS and apparently im the only one that seems to be able to make the connection between this lack of talent and NDs current standing in the hierarchy of college football.

I've been making one variation of this post or another for nearly 1.5 decades now and even with the benefit of hindsight over that time, i'm still viewed by a segment of this board as a troll who is spouting nonsense to rile up the board. That's why I ask: how many more decades of hindsight do we need where im proven correct over and over again before I earn the benefit of the doubt?

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nptb said:

ACC is just as tough as the SEC. ESPN will never argue that though. I should have said unless Alabama or Georgia are conference champs they won't jump an 11-1 ND.

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chaseball said:

Yes there's a clear top 5 in F+ rating (5 teams way out infront of the rest of the pack, with OSU WAAY out in front in a tier of their own)

These tier 1 teams (including Georgia who is at #6) also are way out in front in team talent composite as per 247. These are the teams that have 15, 20, 25+ more 5 star players and top 100 players on their 85 man roster than ND does (in another talent tier entirely). Ole Miss being the only exception--but Lane Kiffin is one of those coaches who has proven that he's able to produce elite F+ seasons with subpar talent (these coaches are far and few between). His roster is also loaded with TONS of transfers that are not comprehensively reflected in the 247 talent rankings.

Basically if ND faces any of these top 5 or 6 teams they'll be a major underdog and probably get ran over yet again. Even if they don't get ran over, the chances that they'll actually win these games is far too low for a team of NDs resources. And its embarrassing that year after year ND essentially heads into the regular season with the same program handicap unable to compete with the top teams in college football (but its disguised by their shit-tier schedule vs the ACC & G5).

Moreover, NDs 2025 recruiting class is down to #14 in the country with only like 1 or 2 players in the composite top 100 (and its yet another recruiting class without a single 5-star commit). The problems are GLARING AND OBVIOUS and apparently im the only one that seems to be able to make the connection between this lack of talent and NDs current standing in the hierarchy of college football.

I've been making one variation of this post or another for nearly 1.5 decades now and even with the benefit of hindsight over that time, i'm still viewed by a segment of this board as a troll who is spouting nonsense to rile up the board. That's why I ask: how many more decades of hindsight do we need where im proven correct over and over again before I earn the benefit of the doubt?

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chaseball said:

There was parity in the results earlier in the season but there's now a clear top 5/tier 1. If ND faces any of those top 5 they will be big underdogs. This also lines up with how far behind they are in the team talent composite rankings relative to these tier 1 teams as well.

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sjb75 said:

Weis.

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chaseball said:

Yes there's a clear top 5 in F+ rating (5 teams way out infront of the rest of the pack, with OSU WAAY out in front in a tier of their own)

These tier 1 teams (including Georgia who is at #6) also are way out in front in team talent composite as per 247. These are the teams that have 15, 20, 25+ more 5 star players and top 100 players on their 85 man roster than ND does (in another talent tier entirely). Ole Miss being the only exception--but Lane Kiffin is one of those coaches who has proven that he's able to produce elite F+ seasons with subpar talent (these coaches are far and few between). His roster is also loaded with TONS of transfers that are not comprehensively reflected in the 247 talent rankings.

Basically if ND faces any of these top 5 or 6 teams they'll be a major underdog and probably get ran over yet again. Even if they don't get ran over, the chances that they'll actually win these games is far too low for a team of NDs resources. And its embarrassing that year after year ND essentially heads into the regular season with the same program handicap unable to compete with the top teams in college football (but its disguised by their shit-tier schedule vs the ACC & G5).

Moreover, NDs 2025 recruiting class is down to #14 in the country with only like 1 or 2 players in the composite top 100 (and its yet another recruiting class without a single 5-star commit). The problems are GLARING AND OBVIOUS and apparently im the only one that seems to be able to make the connection between this lack of talent and NDs current standing in the hierarchy of college football.

I've been making one variation of this post or another for nearly 1.5 decades now and even with the benefit of hindsight over that time, i'm still viewed by a segment of this board as a troll who is spouting nonsense to rile up the board. That's why I ask: how many more decades of hindsight do we need where im proven correct over and over again before I earn the benefit of the doubt?

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nptb said:

ACC is just as tough as the SEC. ESPN will never argue that though. I should have said unless Alabama or Georgia are conference champs they won't jump an 11-1 ND.

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sjb75 said:

Thanks Dad.

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tbonesays said:

You sure?

The SEC is a very deep conference this year. SCe and UK are not easy games. Even sub .500 Auburn has lost 5 games by 10 points or less.

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ftnfan62 said:

We didn’t think Navy would beat us with Weiss. We didn’t think Tulsa would beat us with BK. We didn’t think NIU would beat us with Marcus.

On paper, it’s an easy win for ND. Should be 28-6 type game due to ball control I don’t think Nd gets much out of the 20’s.

You can see teams are getting between 5-8 series. Put up 3, 3 and outs as we did with VA and your in the 28 range. .

ND’s offense must stay on the field and get points and our FG kicker better perform.

Army when they cross the 50 will be in 4 down territory. It’s a tough offense to limit to less that 2.5 yards per carry.

Gonna need a TO or two to put up good numbers I think and they don’t give up TO’s.

Have a feeling we win but we will all be frustrated.

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Chitown11 said:

Hes lives in the land of fruits and nuts. What do you expect? These misfits(the majority anyway) live in a land all their own.

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tbonesays said:

Lane is out once he gets a better job offer; maybe not Tennessee.

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Patrish said:

We have to get by Army and USC and we’re only a four-point favorite at USC.

Don’t get ahead of yourself, we are not in the playoffs yet

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burmafrd1943 said:

You seem to have a lot of contempt for the academies.
Coming from a SO CALLED FAN of a school that lost to NIU this year, makes me wonder.
Big 12 is not so hot; and other teams have had a pretty weak schedule that are in the mix
BUT you apparently hate our service members

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savvyandsassier said:

I don't know, I"m sure they did play well, for them. I just mean they didn't seem that formidable. This isn't some badass team that's going to tear up the MAC, and challenge for the G5 playoff spot or anything like that. The whole game was slow and labored, and even though we have a great defense, they were unthreatening on offense, and just slow and plodding overall. And sure enough, they got their little FG at the end to pull ahead and get the win. Good for them.

Bottom line, I suppose it was a letdown after the offseason-long buildup to the big game at Kyle Field. And our offense was finding itself, so it was just one of those things. And NIU stepped up. But to our great credit, we totally bounced back, took away the right lesson, and now pretty much are steamrolling our way into the playoff, with two legit opponents remaining, but we should be alright, we'll handle them. And I think it's possible to think of it as at least both a blessing and a curse. Obviously you don't want to lose to MAC teams, but we got our act together, and if MF really has been invoking it, what better way to totally motivate you for the rest of the season. So at the end of the day I'll take it. This has been a very good season. The games aren't competitive, and we are fairly dominant. I honestly think we could be a dark horse in the playoff. Knock on wood.

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echowaker said:

Yes.

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