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Wtf. Freeman over his head for sure

sjb75 said:

Beating shit teams, going 35-5, and making the 4 team playoff twice beats losing at home to Northern Illinois, Stanford, and Marshall.

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Dunce

theskibro said:

TelX
We are in a bad way. Freeman was in an enviable position -
Despite losing 3-4 games to inferior opponents and prior to the latest loss to NIU, everyone was behind Freeman and wanted him to succeed
This was going to be the year

Now, That’s gone. The goodwill. The promise of a great year

And the same applies to Leonard. I don’t have any confidence in him. Teams will make him throw and he won’t be able to

We will win this week but imo lose 2 more games this year. This coach bet on another portal qb and it’s not going to work out

Angeli or Carr should get in after Leonard struggles

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Agree great post. But it think we lose at purdue with no offense

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notredame79 said:

If he was hiding the injury, why did he get a shot?

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I'm just stating what I read. Whether it's true or not, who knows. It stated Leonard was saying he was good during the game.

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ZibbyQuinn said:

Not in the stadium but from plenty of sofas around the country. I know you got a hard on for BK and Book and going to quote their W/L record against shite teams

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Ian Book beating shit teams, going 35-5, and making the 4 team playoff twice beats losing at home to Northern Illinois, Stanford, and Marshall.

Maybe he'd throw better if it was his right arm that was injured. Just kidding. I don't like to see anyone hurt, not even opponents and I'm not a snowflake.

tkirish said:

Savvy I was sort of being sarcastic about returning money. But I will say that if players want a payday, that’s fine. I have no problem with that. However, the other part of the equation is , you better play good and win. As a player making money , you sort of put yourself in a “ put up or shut up “ box. If your QB is getting a million dollars off of NIL and he plays like crap for 2 straight games, fans are going to vent their frustration. The fans pay big money to watch in person, so I can’t blame them for booing.

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I cringe at the booing but I totally understand the frustration.

sjb75 said:

Your hourly condemnation of Riley Leonard is a bit much.

Give it a rest.

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YAWN

banmate6 said:

Harsh as you are, you are generally correct. It's like taking part of the Iron Triangle Slave Trades...you claim your ships are clean, offer safe passage, food, water. But you're still a part of it!



I know I'll get flak for my comment. But there is an air of hypocrisy here. As an immigrant myself, we had affordable Catholic education as an option. I went to Catholic grammar school, HS (run by the Congregation of Holy Cross that runs ND), and a Jesuit university.

The current tuition and elitism are appalling. Slowly eroding the Catholic identity. And yet they quibble over taking in marginalized students that could stand a remedial program, as they help build and maintain a binding football brand?

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Born and raised Catholic as well but long since lapsed, I think my HS was weirdly expensive, but I'm from Hawaii and everything's expensive there. In any case, I get the feeling when my dad went to ND in an earlier era, it was a different place than it is now. Post Hesburgh and on the rise, in terms of ambitiously aspiring to lofty scholarly status and reputation, but certainly not yet the elite prestige dispenser it's become today. Which to be fair is true of all elite colleges almost default, that's what college has become. That's the so-called meritocracy. Which by now effectively acts as an outright de facto aristocracy. And one's entire destiny is set in motion by one's HS GPA and SAT scores, and the fancy college that alone gets you into. Not to mention the appalling cost. Even at a state university it's now a lot.

In any case, given how prestigious ND has become and has ascended to, that would be the best recruiting pitch to hammer home to qualified elite recruits, in a world where a prestige college diploma has become quasi official pedigree status, with very real and tangible privileges. And I'm sure they do. But the direction our economy is headed, I'm not even sure a ND diploma will be defense enough against the dwindling prospects of guaranteed, significant genteel employment with your trusty diploma opening all the doors for you. What with AI ready to wreak havoc all throughout the white collar ranks.

HarlemIrish said:

Are you saying Leonard is our QB going forward? I’ve had a few

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I don’t know. Depends on what you mean, and it’s unclear how injured he is.

If not injured, yes, he should be the guy going into Purdue. If he’s clearly playing poorly against Purdue, then he should probably be pulled, but not just because he missed a couple passes or threw an INT.

I’m mostly just in disagreement that he sucks as a QB or that his stats aren’t good. His overall résumé says that he is a good QB IMO and that he gives ND the best chance to win games this season.

If you watch his 2023 games against ND and Clemson, receivers were not getting open. It’s hard to have a good completion percentage when this is the case. Hartman went 15/30 against Duke and I’d say that he played very well.

Does anyone know a paid site or somebody who breaks down the all 22 film of nd games? Thanks

ticat said:

You seem to believe that you are personally cheated because the University earns money from its endeavours in the sporting world...well, don't contribute to them. Don't buy "the shirt;" don't watch the games; don't purchase the sponsors' products; don't visit campus and Hammes on football or basketball or hockey or soccer (well, you get the gist) weekends...

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This has always been Chaseball's mindset. He seems to think ND owes him something because he follows the football team.

chaseball said:

People been saying the same thing about Notre Dame post Rockne era until a coach comes along and maximizes the football program and ND goes on a dominant tier 1 run *yet again*. It's a story that spans the test of time and one of the reasons why people love & hate this football program so much.

This fan base is already supporting ND to a sales-and-ratings topper in a prodigiously wealthier industry while the product has been largely stale & subpar since at least the start of the 21st century.

Can you imagine if ND actually went into a season as a bonafide tier 1 team favored to win it all, with a heisman QB, and some first round CBs and edges all on the same defense?

ND is a sleeping RHINOCEROS. When we get the right leadership in here, with our rabid national fanbase, prestige, old-money, power, increasing academic reputation, etc. ND is going to go on a run like we've never seen. I just hope to still be alive when it happens.

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This may be true of a professional sports organization...of which the University of Notre is not one...it is a UNIVERSITY with a mission to educate, generate knowledge and contribute to the advancement of the society in which it exists...football does none of that...nor does basketball, hockey, soccer....

You seem to believe that you are personally cheated because the University earns money from its endeavours in the sporting world...well, don't contribute to them. Don't buy "the shirt;" don't watch the games; don't purchase the sponsors' products; don't visit campus and Hammes on football or basketball or hockey or soccer (well, you get the gist) weekends...

The University believes that it can COMPETE for a football national championship within the academic space in which it works...doesn't mean it can win one, especially since the sport has become NFL-lite. When the likely national champion is discussed as much for its payroll as its offensive systems, you are no longer playing intercollegiate sports...you might as well be talking about the Columbus Buckeyes versus the Eugene Ducks...

I THINK it goes without saying that Notre Dame will never LOWER itself to "compete" in this realm...and if they do, I will take the advice I gave you above and simply walk away from a life-long interest in Notre Dame football...and frankly, I have already turned to face that direction...I'm not walking yet, but I am starting to feel like I should be more actively leaning that way...