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The question that needs an answer

I forget who it was, but one of those analysts the other day was talking about Brock Purdy. He mentioned that Purdy doesn't get much love, because he doesn't have great "arm talent." The analyst said, who cares about arm talent? When you play QB, I am less concerned about the talent from the neck down and more concerned w/ the talent from the neck up. The ability to process efficiently. Feeling a sense of calm and peace in the midst of the chaos. Be quick, but also patient w/ your decisions. Hang in the pocket, until the very last second before throwing to the guy just as he gets open. Does this sound like RL? I hate to ever call out a player on this board, but RL doesn't appear to have much feel for the game, as a passer. The 2 interceptions he threw were very concerning, as he held onto the ball way too long. He appears shy w/ throwing in the middle of the field, as that's where both of his picks were. And RL does have a talented arm. I agree and think the best way to use him is similar to how ND used B. Wimbush. Run, run, and run. Throw just enough passes to keep the defense honest, but keep the pass plays simple. This formula won't win us a national championship, but it should allow ND to win the majority of their games.
Classic! Not exactly an endorsement of RL, a Brandon Wimbush comparison. Now that you bring that name up, you know how that one went. He managed to avoid the MAC upset, unlike RL, but still ended up being pulled a game later and thus began the glory of the Ian Book era. So if that's how we're looking at it, let's start getting Angeli warmed up! I think he would take that....

Perhaps the booing started here...

Sorry, I didn't listen to it. It's 1 hour +. Can you give a synopsis?

I was commenting on booing in general.

I'm still trying to shake my bad mood from yesterday...as stop booing myself!

:D
That's why I said to zoom to the 1:07:20 mark. The relevant section is only a minute or two long.

Synopsis, someone who was sitting behind the ND bench said some players were interacting with the crowd. When the crowd told the players to focus on the game, the response was F-bombs and the bird.
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Seasons Over Play Angeli

No offense to Angeli, but don't you think if Aneli was that good, ND never would have recruited RL? When I first heard the news of RL being recruited to ND, it frustrated me, because it obviously meant there was no QB on the roster that the staff thought they could win with. Blame recruiting, lack of talent, coaching, development, whatever. ND really screwed themselves w/ the QB problem they have now.
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Post game presser.

I posted incessantly the past day my negativity now with Freeman. But like the quoted post, I no longer believe in him...3 years in and he's losing some games against the worst opposition in the worst way.

It shouldn't be about figuring things out by this point. Marcus took responsibility, but still spoke in platitudes at the press conference. I don't believe he knows how to fix things, particularly Denbrock and Leonard...which seems to require a serious change of perhaps QB, never mind offensive game planning.

I'm no expert. But following ND all my life over decades, I remain stunned how ND cannot smash mouth NI. Why with a lead Denbrock has a clearly poorly throwing Leonard irresponsibly go deep.

Like somebody posted, it's metaphorically criminal. Leonard, Denbrock, and MF are egregiously at fault. Again, who knows how they operate, but is it too far fetched for me to imagine MF should be observant and have intervened given the risk?

I just don't think he gets into such game management detail. I also speculated that he seem to totally delegate. Now I believe he does because he doesn't trust himself, at least offensively.

Just thunking out loud.
As far as I can tell, Freeman's an establish the run coach. He comes from the Jim Tressel coaching tree. And last year's offense seemed to reflect that. In the Sun Bowl, we ran the ball 48 times and only threw it 19 times. Against Stanford, it was 47 rushes and 15 passes. We did more passing in some of the other games, but it was clear running the ball was a priority. But then he brought in Denbrock and appears to have given him free reign to do whatever he wants, because the run-first mentality of last year seems to have gone away. We'll see how things progress going forward.
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You are being optimistic. With this schedule and that loss, they would put another Big 10 or SEC team in. It really doesn't matter though. If we keep Leonard at QB, there will be no more wins. NIU had 11 in the box. They know he can't or won't throw deep. I think he has thrown three passes that went 20 yards past the LOS (in two games combined), and one was caught by our team and one by the other. I don't think Denbrock trusts him deep and I also don't think he trusts him in tight spaces. There were no called passes in the red zone. He is just not an accurate passer.
Leonard's career average per pass is 7 yards. Anyone who watched him at Duke would know this.

Angeli in his limited play is averaging 11.5 yards per pass.

The staff has shiny object syndrome. They bought into all the Riley Leonard hype instead of looking at what you have and developing it.

Denbrock

The fact is we are waaay overrated. Our QB is a good runner who can't throw. Our receivers can't get separation or take the cover off the defense, average at best. Our TE is hurt, our OLine is inexperienced and our DLine doesn't get any push. And and our tackling is once again bad. There you have, another year of "we ain't good enough" "we ain't talented enough" now go ahead and add coaching to thus soup, and you get yesterday. Possibly the most embarrassing loss in ND Football history

Seasons Over Play Angeli

ND would get in as the 12th seed, the G5 team would be seeded ahead of ND.
You are being optimistic. With this schedule and that loss, they would put another Big 10 or SEC team in. It really doesn't matter though. If we keep Leonard at QB, there will be no more wins. NIU had 11 in the box. They know he can't or won't throw deep. I think he has thrown three passes that went 20 yards past the LOS (in two games combined), and one was caught by our team and one by the other. I don't think Denbrock trusts him deep and I also don't think he trusts him in tight spaces. There were no called passes in the red zone. He is just not an accurate passer.

Denbrock

I wont' deny Denbrock called a bad game yesterday. Unlike week 1, he didn't protect RL and this offensive line. Week 1, they did everything quick to take the pressure off of RL and this offensive line. My guess is they overestimated how difficult it would be to open up the passing game and called for longer developing pass plays. They should have stayed w/ the run and quick passing game, as they did in week 1. That likely would have eliminated the two turnovers and lead to a least one more score.

Post game presser.

I felt like Freeman had been improving as a head coach. We hadn't had any "bad losses" since 2022. Last year's 3 losses were all more understandable. And then we had the big road win at TX A&M. But losing that game yesterday was definitely a step back. Hopefully he and Denbrock can get things figured out.


I posted incessantly the past day my negativity now with Freeman. But like the quoted post, I no longer believe in him...3 years in and he's losing some games against the worst opposition in the worst way.

It shouldn't be about figuring things out by this point. Marcus took responsibility, but still spoke in platitudes at the press conference. I don't believe he knows how to fix things, particularly Denbrock and Leonard...which seems to require a serious change of perhaps QB, never mind offensive game planning.

I'm no expert. But following ND all my life over decades, I remain stunned how ND cannot smash mouth NI. Why with a lead Denbrock has a clearly poorly throwing Leonard irresponsibly go deep.

Like somebody posted, it's metaphorically criminal. Leonard, Denbrock, and MF are egregiously at fault. Again, who knows how they operate, but is it too far fetched for me to imagine MF should be observant and have intervened given the risk?

I just don't think he gets into such game management detail. I also speculated that he seem to totally delegate. Now I believe he does because he doesn't trust himself, at least offensively.

Just thunking out loud.

The question that needs an answer

This team has the least experienced OL of any ND team in memory. Their stats looked pretty good against TAM because Leonard bailed them out repeatedly with his legs, and our running backs broke off two great runs. But the line is a major weakness right now, and we knew there would be significant growing pains, and yesterday was definitely painful. The question was always whether the defense could carry this team while the offense SLOWLY developed. That’s still the question.
If Greathouse catches the perfectly thrown homerun ball, we win yesterday and we would be talking about escaping a perfect trap game, etc…. But he didn’t and we aren’t.
Three observations about Leonard that concerns me. First, we moved the ball perfectly on our first TD drive with Leonard using his legs as a designed weapon, and yet we hardly saw this the rest of the game. Did Leonard get hurt or did Denbrock decide it was too risky? Secondly, I can’t recall a ND qb throwing the ball so poorly on so many passes. Some misses were clearly on the qb and receiver not being on the same page, and we don’t if these were qb mistakes or receiver mistakes. But, we do know Leonard missed so badly on several passes that neither the target or his defender had a chance at catching the errant throw. Thirdly, how the hell does any college qb underthrow his receiver streaking downfield by at least ten yards, and at the games most critical moment? Inexcusable and inexplicable unless Leonard is hurt and we don’t know it.
Going forward, we have to get much better play at the qb position, and this has to account for an OL that will continue to experience growing pains, and allow pressure on the qb in passing situations. My gut tells me each of Angeli and Minchey and Carr is a better passer than Leonard, but is any one of these mobile enough and strong enough and composed enough to thrive while our OL SLOWLY comes of age? It’s up to Denbrock to answer this and make his case to Freeman.
I forget who it was, but one of those analysts the other day was talking about Brock Purdy. He mentioned that Purdy doesn't get much love, because he doesn't have great "arm talent." The analyst said, who cares about arm talent? When you play QB, I am less concerned about the talent from the neck down and more concerned w/ the talent from the neck up. The ability to process efficiently. Feeling a sense of calm and peace in the midst of the chaos. Be quick, but also patient w/ your decisions. Hang in the pocket, until the very last second before throwing to the guy just as he gets open. Does this sound like RL? I hate to ever call out a player on this board, but RL doesn't appear to have much feel for the game, as a passer. The 2 interceptions he threw were very concerning, as he held onto the ball way too long. He appears shy w/ throwing in the middle of the field, as that's where both of his picks were. And RL does have a talented arm. I agree and think the best way to use him is similar to how ND used B. Wimbush. Run, run, and run. Throw just enough passes to keep the defense honest, but keep the pass plays simple. This formula won't win us a national championship, but it should allow ND to win the majority of their games.
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