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Cam Ward opts out of the 2nd half

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Patrish said:
Irrespective of how many advisors they have and irrespective of the familial relationships influencing them, there is no other way to describe it other than quitting on their team
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Risk vs reward with nothing at stake. Fans get emotional and believe they would do the " honorable " thing in the same situation. Easy to say when that scenario will never present itself. Take the emotion out of it.
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Cam Ward opts out of the 2nd half

NDinNJ
Shakin' Down the Thunder said:
If it ain't no thing then why participate in this discussion?

I am worried about it because the game I knew and loved growing up is no longer the same. And I worry about how this affects kids across America when they see this. Maybe it's silly of me to do that, but I'm doing it anyway.
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but High School kids are now getting NIL deals and hiring agents.

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Cam Ward opts out of the 2nd half

deadirishpoet
Shakin' Down the Thunder said:
I will admit I'm very emotional about this. I believe playing sports builds strengths, character, identity, sense of belonging, understanding of sacrifice, and betters you if you're able to come together and achieve things you didn't know were possible. When guys opt out, that opportunity is taken away. Kelly's first year at ND they were 4-5 and finished 8-5 with indeed a crappy bowl appearance in El Paso. But my point is, the feeling I got from seeing that team go 4-5 and finish the way they did, everyone on that team was better for it. I was proud of them for it. Again, am I emotional about it? Yes! So maybe I'm wrong for this because but I want to see more teams do this for both themselves and each other. I want this seen as an example for kids across America. Is this silly of me? Maybe so. I'll own that.
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And now it builds selfishness, and greed
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Golson5 said:
Why not do away with all football games during the season that doesn't have an impact on the playoff? Where does it stop

If Michigan is 6 and 5 next year and OSU is 7 and 4 shouldn't they just cancel the game? No impact on the playoff. We don't want anyone to get hurt now do we

I mean any team that is out of contention should cancel the year as quickly as possible
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Dumb, even for you. You think you know so much about the workings of the game but yet with every post you clearly indicate that's just not the case. Being a backyard All American has given you an extremely cloudy vision of the realities of major college football and how it operates.
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Shakin' Down the Thunder
echowaker said:
You're not " wrong " because that's how YOU feel. It's an emotional response not necessarily a practical one. You're emotionally invested in ND football. I get that. I was too years ago but being in the game in some capacity nearly my entire life has allowed me to see things from a different perspective. You're not wrong at all as a fan. I do think labeling players is wrong because you disagree with a well informed business decision. I'm sure Joe Alt got lots of guidance from his father. I don't think any of those guys make a decision like that on a whim.
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I will admit I'm very emotional about this. I believe playing sports builds strengths, character, identity, sense of belonging, understanding of sacrifice, and betters you if you're able to come together and achieve things you didn't know were possible. When guys opt out, that opportunity is taken away. Kelly's first year at ND they were 4-5 and finished 8-5 with indeed a crappy bowl appearance in El Paso. But my point is, the feeling I got from seeing that team go 4-5 and finish the way they did, everyone on that team was better for it. I was proud of them for it. Again, am I emotional about it? Yes! So maybe I'm wrong for this because but I want to see more teams do this for both themselves and each other. I want this seen as an example for kids across America. Is this silly of me? Maybe so. I'll own that.
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echowaker said:
You're not " wrong " because that's how YOU feel. It's an emotional response not necessarily a practical one. You're emotionally invested in ND football. I get that. I was too years ago but being in the game in some capacity nearly my entire life has allowed me to see things from a different perspective. You're not wrong at all as a fan. I do think labeling players is wrong because you disagree with a well informed business decision. I'm sure Joe Alt got lots of guidance from his father. I don't think any of those guys make a decision like that on a whim.
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Irrespective of how many advisors they have and irrespective of the familial relationships influencing them, there is no other way to describe it other than quitting on their team
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Golson5 said:
Why not do away with all football games during the season that doesn't have an impact on the playoff? Where does it stop

If Michigan is 6 and 5 next year and OSU is 7 and 4 shouldn't they just cancel the game? No impact on the playoff. We don't want anyone to get hurt now do we

I mean any team that is out of contention should cancel the year as quickly as possible
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I distinctly remember you supporting Joe Alt’s decision to not play in the Sun Bowl. I distinctly remember you saying you would do the same or advise someone like a Joe Alt to do the same.
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Cam Ward opts out of the 2nd half

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Shakin' Down the Thunder said:
This is getting ridiculous. What message are we sending to kids of America when this happens without any consequences? I'm absolutely disgusted.

You can't even do this in the NFL, as just a couple of weeks ago Devondre Campbell walked out on his team and got called out for it by everyone. As a result, he got suspended abd will likely never play again. But somehow in college, this is OK??


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The extension of this general situation creates an even bigger problem

His excuse for opting out of the second half is that he didn’t want to risk injury
Others have opted out of entire bowl games for the same reason

Will this lead to players opting out of their conference championship games ?

Taking it a step further, when a team is 7 or 8 games into the season, either in contention or not in contention for a conference championship or for the national championship, will they opt out of the final regular season games of ?

In the case of RB’s and QBs, their teammates risk injury blocking and protecting them on every play, and if they’re all successful as a team, they get a chance to reach loftier goals.

And just when they get ready to attain those goals, they get the rug pulled out from under them when key players refuses to play.

Lloyd’s of London can provide significant insurance for Pre-NFL injuries so I’m a little puzzled by the refusal to play.

I’m from a different generation who would never consider quitting on your teammates
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Cam Ward opts out of the 2nd half

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Shakin' Down the Thunder said:
Fine, it's not their responsibility. No argument there, but that doesn't mean there are no consequences for kids today when they see this.

Just because you understand the decision, doesn't mean that teammates are OK with it. Everyone can understand the reason. You can say for Devondre Campbell it was a business decision to walk out on his team and the Niners were already out of the playoffs. But no one on the team was OK with it and he got suspended for it. I have a hard time accepting your guarantee.

I disagree that it's a meaningless game. Could it be less desirable to play in a bowl game when you expected to make the playoffs? Yeah, I can understand that.

And again, I truly want to know. What is your definition of a quitter? Cause apparently multiple people here disagree with my opinion and I would love to know where I'm wrong.
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You're not " wrong " because that's how YOU feel. It's an emotional response not necessarily a practical one. You're emotionally invested in ND football. I get that. I was too years ago but being in the game in some capacity nearly my entire life has allowed me to see things from a different perspective. You're not wrong at all as a fan. I do think labeling players is wrong because you disagree with a well informed business decision. I'm sure Joe Alt got lots of guidance from his father. I don't think any of those guys make a decision like that on a whim.
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Shakin' Down the Thunder
sjb75 said:
It’s certainly not yours.

I 100 per cent support Joe Alt sitting the bowl game last season.
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And I gave you a lengthy response to this very similar sentiment in the star trek portal thread that you never responded to, so it's absolutely pointless to discuss this with you.

Oh and did you see my examples of guys transitioning to defensive line in the Jagsuh thread? Care to respond?
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Golson5 said:
Why not do away with all football games during the season that doesn't have an impact on the playoff? Where does it stop

If Michigan is 6 and 5 next year and OSU is 7 and 4 shouldn't they just cancel the game? No impact on the playoff. We don't want anyone to get hurt now do we

I mean any team that is out of contention should cancel the year as quickly as possible
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Well said.
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Golson5 said:
Why not do away with all football games during the season that doesn't have an impact on the playoff? Where does it stop

If Michigan is 6 and 5 next year and OSU is 7 and 4 shouldn't they just cancel the game? No impact on the playoff. We don't want anyone to get hurt now do we

I mean any team that is out of contention should cancel the year as quickly as possible
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Email Joe Alt’s dad and tell him what you think:
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echowaker said:
I'd be fine if they did away with all non playoff bowl games. Coaches only like them for the extra practice time. No one is celebrating a 6-6 season that sends you to Idaho in December.
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Why not do away with all football games during the season that doesn't have an impact on the playoff? Where does it stop

If Michigan is 6 and 5 next year and OSU is 7 and 4 shouldn't they just cancel the game? No impact on the playoff. We don't want anyone to get hurt now do we

I mean any team that is out of contention should cancel the year as quickly as possible
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savvyandsassier
echowaker said:
I'd be fine if they did away with all non playoff bowl games. Coaches only like them for the extra practice time. No one is celebrating a 6-6 season that sends you to Idaho in December.
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You know, just speaking for myself, I thought it was a great game. It didn't even faze me in the least. Emory Williams is a good looking up and comer who will be leading the Canes next season. So the game was fine. No need to cancel it, everything's cool. It's an exhibition game, that means it's meant for people to watch. And it was an entertaining game.

We don't need to cancel the bowl games. They're fun to watch, and they can be a bit of preview for next year's team, and of course all the extra practice time. Why would we cancel them?
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